Silly Little Tribes - Page 2

Tecolote · October 29, 2001, 11:10 AM

More than what brand a person chooses I value more that a person is:

1. A law abiding gun owner

2. Practices safe storage

3. Always practices safe handling

4. Has taken at least one NRA certified safety course

5. Knows the importance of RKBA and belongs to NRA or GOA

don't shoot it's me · October 29, 2001, 12:20 PM

To all of you, as we say in my tribe..."uga bugga woogada booga"
It doesn't really translate but the gist is "any gun beats a bamboo spear".

yorec · October 29, 2001, 12:30 PM

Boy this thread sure hits the nail on the head! Not too long ago i was called a liar becaseu I mentioned that I had a band X pistol, model Y, through which I had fired over 10000 rounds with out a problem. The guy started disparaging my good name simply because he didn't like the type of gun I was referring to.

ATTICUS · October 29, 2001, 05:43 PM

That's why we should all strive to have one of each. We'll create our own rainbow coalition.

KSFreeman · October 29, 2001, 06:00 PM

Tamara, I think most of it is healthy. New guys buy their first and only gun so it has to be the "best" there ever was. Later on. . . .

In my experience, the more training hours you have in, the less you will be hung up about the weapon and realize that it is you, not the gun.

I used to think the M9 had no practical value and no serious shooter would ever carry one. THEN I saw what John Pride could do with one.

I can make strong arguments for the weapons I carry, a Les Baer 1911 and a Kahr, however, I realize that it is the individual, not the weapon that fights. Each to his own. Besides, without these guys I would have to think about the office all day. Geez, what fun is that?

Jason Demond · October 29, 2001, 07:07 PM

I own quite a few high end firearms, that I like alot. I had bought a couple months ago a cheap CZ70 for $79.00 sight unseen, I was told it was junk because it could be had for under $100.00 and therefor would jam. I also wasn't a CZ50 which was a so called better gun. I was told this by people who never seen one in person or held one. Well I didn't listen to what anyone said and ordered it. I couldn't be more happy with it. I have not had a jam in the 400 rounds I have put through it. I wouldn't tell you it's better than a Kimber, Colt, Springfield, Sig ect. It is however a sweet little gun for a little price. I just laugh at the people who still make fun of me because I bought it. They don't make fun after they see it preform, though.

Are my Glocks better than my Kimbers? No they all have worked 100%. You don't have to spend $1000 or $2000 to get a good gun that you can bet your life on. I would trust my CZ70 in a pinch.

hksigwalther · October 29, 2001, 07:21 PM

Saaaay, that Glocksigberetta sounds migty interesting. Do those have accessory rails and hi-caps?

don't shoot it's me · October 29, 2001, 08:36 PM

Thanks goodness I carry a P7 so I don't have to get into any pissing contests....

Hal · October 29, 2001, 09:21 PM

It's far simpler than anything mentioned so far. Some of us just plain suck when trying to express ourselves on paper.

I've had more than a bunch tell me I have a just plain nasty edge to the way I write. (Talk too, but hey, no one's perfect

)

FWIW,
Guinness sucks.:barf: Tastes like floor sweepings.

C.R.Sam · October 29, 2001, 09:29 PM

Sawdust, peanut hulls and Guinness: Breakfast cereal that rocks !

CastleBravo · October 29, 2001, 09:37 PM

Guiness is the ambrosia of the gods, you lout!

Jhp147 · October 29, 2001, 09:48 PM

HEY! Somebody make C.R. Sam and Castle Bravo quit pickin' on me!!!
Moderator?
Rich?
Anyone?
Well, then, all yall suck.

And my Smith and Wessons all rule while your HKGLOCKSIGWALTHERs choke goats.

P.S. "Party" is not a verb, either.

Mithirium · October 29, 2001, 09:55 PM

Really All,
Guinness is Dinner! especially now as we approuch the winter months.

All this rangling about the glocksigberetta is just nuts, We should just respect other's freedoms to choose what best suits them. If they're willing to settle, good for them

. /I mean come on, it should actually be us tribe glocksigberetta against those neaderthal jenningsLorcinHiPoint guys. We should choose our battles better. /end sarcasm

NINE · October 29, 2001, 10:41 PM

Hey, hey.. come on guys! Guinness is the best copper solvent out there!

agtman · October 30, 2001, 07:37 PM

"Silly little tribes"

Yeah, well here's my tribe:

http://home.earthlink.net/~gnappi/10user.htm

No 9mm nancy-boyz;

No .40 Swishy-Walkers ("Hey, it's almost a 10mm. No, really.");

No .355/9mm-bottle-necked Sigs ("But hey, it's a real 'magnum autoloader.' No, really.")

No .45s - a.c.p. (antiquated & clearly passe);

No .45 Super/SMC/Snotstompin' mutant rounds ("But hey, they're gonna make ammo for it someday. No, really.")

No $2000 .38 Casull - it's OOA (obsolete on arrival).

Why?

'Cause Chief Sonny said so. What?

Actually, this was one of the best threads I've read on TFL. Thanks for starting it, Tamara.

SVTNate · October 30, 2001, 07:49 PM

Man (and woman) is a social animal. We have a natural need to belong, we are comfortable in groups. Our primary group is our family, then friends, colleagues, and people with similar interests.

Everyone is in many groups, and no one wants to admit (or consider) that another group may be better in some way. We all are shooters, firearms enthusiasts, "gun nuts". Within that, we have preferences, and want to find others with the same preferences. If you can communicate to these people beyond the realm of guns, they join your friends group.

So, it may be silly, but it's perfectly natural.

Also, there can often be some rationality. For example, I had a Glock. I sold it for an HK, and I have many reasons why I like the USP's better. I can show you both guns, and point to things I like better on the USP. That is a rational choice I have made. Consequently, I think the USP is a better gun. If you try and tell me otherwise, I will retort.

...and there's other folks who like to hate/degrade stuff they known nothing about. We are all guilty of it - from countries, to religions, to our neighbors and other people on this very internet board.

Art Eatman · October 30, 2001, 08:07 PM

The idea of preferring one brand over another is okay. Even being rather "tribal" about it is okay. What puzzles me is the amount of importance in this tribal reverence.

As has been noted, however, the greater the reverence, the less the apparent actual expertise.

, Art

Spectre · October 31, 2001, 01:24 AM

First,

Yup. I also tend to say things like,

Wow.
Interesting!
Uh-huh.
How 'bout that.
and,
I'll be.

WESHOOT2 · October 31, 2001, 01:34 AM

Humans. With guns. On them.

The rest are just posers.

Mithirium · October 31, 2001, 02:20 AM

Right on Weshoot2!
The Real Tribe here for all should be people who believe in their liberties and freedoms and exercise their god given right to defend themselves with the weapons of their choice!

(whew, got it all out)

Legionnaire · October 31, 2001, 01:23 PM

Whole concept behind the business strategy of "differentiation" is to convince people that your product (in this case a firearm) better meets their real or imagined needs. Nobody needs a Harley-Davidson for basic transportation; buying one caters to additional need(s). "Brand loyalty" is a "good thing" in the business world.

I have a need to affiliate, as do all humans. But my needs are more around common objectives than the means to reach them. I hang out here because of WeShoot2's observation that we, collectively, are gun owners. But I don't really care what guns you own. If you're interested in mine, I'll tell you 'bout 'em, but I don't care whether you think they "rock" or "suck." They work for me.

CaesarI · October 31, 2001, 07:11 PM

No "tribe" over here.

We P7 owners are more sophistimicated...

We prefer to call ourselves a "Cult"

Now where's that kool-aid...

-Morgan

9mm nancy-boyz that's cute now we can start caliber tribes too.

I'm gonna enlist in the "this is the funniest thread on TFL in a while" tribe, where's our web-page...

jaysouth · October 31, 2001, 09:13 PM

I am a very fortunate 11 year old trapped in a middle aged body. Circumstances and cash that no body knows about have given me gunsafes full of toys and treasures.

The only limitation that I can discern with Wilson, Sig, Glock, Beretta, Smith and Browning is my ability to utilize them to their fullest potential.

Given my perverse nature, I would be the proudest kid on the block if I could win every shooting trophy awarded next year with a rusty Model 10 smith. Take that Todd Jarrett.

The only legitmate way that I could trash someone else's choice in firearms is if I could outshoot them with a "lesser" one, but I too heed the age old addage of Mike from VA above,

The more we learn........

If you're not having a good time shooting, take up ping pong or needle pointing, and let us duffers enjoy our sport and choice of guns that we're shooting on a given day.

Jay

Rainbow Six · October 31, 2001, 09:29 PM

Shouldn't this be in General Discussion... or something? That would rule!

nwgunman · November 1, 2001, 01:07 PM

There is an excellent article by Ken Good that addresses this issue in the Sept/Oct 2001 issue of American Handgunner.

October 29, 2001, 11:10 AM	#26
Tecolote Senior Member Join Date: November 25, 1999 Posts: 1,999	Yep More than what brand a person chooses I value more that a person is: 1. A law abiding gun owner 2. Practices safe storage 3. Always practices safe handling 4. Has taken at least one NRA certified safety course 5. Knows the importance of RKBA and belongs to NRA or GOA

October 29, 2001, 07:07 PM	#31
Jason Demond Senior Member Join Date: May 10, 1999 Location: Mivonks, Michigan Posts: 1,846	I own quite a few high end firearms, that I like alot. I had bought a couple months ago a cheap CZ70 for $79.00 sight unseen, I was told it was junk because it could be had for under $100.00 and therefor would jam. I also wasn't a CZ50 which was a so called better gun. I was told this by people who never seen one in person or held one. Well I didn't listen to what anyone said and ordered it. I couldn't be more happy with it. I have not had a jam in the 400 rounds I have put through it. I wouldn't tell you it's better than a Kimber, Colt, Springfield, Sig ect. It is however a sweet little gun for a little price. I just laugh at the people who still make fun of me because I bought it. They don't make fun after they see it preform, though. Are my Glocks better than my Kimbers? No they all have worked 100%. You don't have to spend $1000 or $2000 to get a good gun that you can bet your life on. I would trust my CZ70 in a pinch. __________________ "ACCEPT NOTHING LESS THAN FULL VICTORY!" General Dwight D. Eisenhower June 6, 1944 ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ!

October 29, 2001, 09:48 PM	#37
Jhp147 Senior Member Join Date: November 27, 1999 Location: Texas Posts: 597	AAARRRGHHH!!! HEY! Somebody make C.R. Sam and Castle Bravo quit pickin' on me!!! Moderator? Rich? Anyone? Well, then, all yall suck. And my Smith and Wessons all rule while your HKGLOCKSIGWALTHERs choke goats. P.S. "Party" is not a verb, either.

October 30, 2001, 07:37 PM	#40
agtman Junior member Join Date: July 26, 2001 Location: midwest Posts: 2,374	"Silly little tribes" Yeah, well here's my tribe: http://home.earthlink.net/~gnappi/10user.htm No 9mm nancy-boyz; No .40 Swishy-Walkers ("Hey, it's almost a 10mm. No, really."); No .355/9mm-bottle-necked Sigs ("But hey, it's a real 'magnum autoloader.' No, really.") No .45s - a.c.p. (antiquated & clearly passe); No .45 Super/SMC/Snotstompin' mutant rounds ("But hey, they're gonna make ammo for it someday. No, really.") No $2000 .38 Casull - it's OOA (obsolete on arrival). Why? 'Cause Chief Sonny said so. What? Actually, this was one of the best threads I've read on TFL. Thanks for starting it, Tamara. Last edited by agtman; October 30, 2001 at 08:36 PM.

October 31, 2001, 01:34 AM	#44
WESHOOT2 Senior Member Join Date: February 20, 1999 Location: home on the range; Vermont (Caspian country) Posts: 14,324	MY TRIBE Humans. With guns. On them. The rest are just posers.

October 29, 2001, 12:20 PM	#27
don't shoot it's me Senior Member Join Date: March 29, 2001 Location: NY first/LA second Posts: 1,537	To all of you, as we say in my tribe..."uga bugga woogada booga" It doesn't really translate but the gist is "any gun beats a bamboo spear".

October 29, 2001, 12:30 PM	#28
yorec Senior Member Join Date: February 2, 2000 Location: Wyoming Posts: 2,328	Boy this thread sure hits the nail on the head! Not too long ago i was called a liar becaseu I mentioned that I had a band X pistol, model Y, through which I had fired over 10000 rounds with out a problem. The guy started disparaging my good name simply because he didn't like the type of gun I was referring to.

October 29, 2001, 05:43 PM	#29
ATTICUS Senior Member Join Date: June 8, 1999 Location: Central Ohio Posts: 2,100	That's why we should all strive to have one of each. We'll create our own rainbow coalition.

October 29, 2001, 06:00 PM	#30
KSFreeman Senior Member Join Date: June 9, 2001 Location: Lafayette, Indiana--American-occupied America Posts: 5,418	Tamara, I think most of it is healthy. New guys buy their first and only gun so it has to be the "best" there ever was. Later on. . . . In my experience, the more training hours you have in, the less you will be hung up about the weapon and realize that it is you, not the gun. I used to think the M9 had no practical value and no serious shooter would ever carry one. THEN I saw what John Pride could do with one. I can make strong arguments for the weapons I carry, a Les Baer 1911 and a Kahr, however, I realize that it is the individual, not the weapon that fights. Each to his own. Besides, without these guys I would have to think about the office all day. Geez, what fun is that?

October 29, 2001, 07:21 PM	#32
hksigwalther Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 1998 Location: NE OH, USA Posts: 3,198	Saaaay, that Glocksigberetta sounds migty interesting. Do those have accessory rails and hi-caps?

October 29, 2001, 08:36 PM	#33
don't shoot it's me Senior Member Join Date: March 29, 2001 Location: NY first/LA second Posts: 1,537	Thanks goodness I carry a P7 so I don't have to get into any pissing contests....

October 29, 2001, 09:21 PM	#34
Hal Senior Member Join Date: October 10, 1998 Location: Ohio USA Posts: 8,564	It's far simpler than anything mentioned so far. Some of us just plain suck when trying to express ourselves on paper. I've had more than a bunch tell me I have a just plain nasty edge to the way I write. (Talk too, but hey, no one's perfect ) FWIW, Guinness sucks.:barf: Tastes like floor sweepings.

October 29, 2001, 09:29 PM	#35
C.R.Sam Senior Member Join Date: October 30, 1999 Location: Dewey, AZ Posts: 12,858	Sawdust, peanut hulls and Guinness: Breakfast cereal that rocks !

October 29, 2001, 09:37 PM	#36
CastleBravo Senior Member Join Date: December 11, 1999 Posts: 2,144	Guiness is the ambrosia of the gods, you lout!

October 29, 2001, 09:55 PM	#38
Mithirium Senior Member Join Date: August 29, 2001 Location: In the Foothills Posts: 345	Really All, Guinness is Dinner! especially now as we approuch the winter months. All this rangling about the glocksigberetta is just nuts, We should just respect other's freedoms to choose what best suits them. If they're willing to settle, good for them . /I mean come on, it should actually be us tribe glocksigberetta against those neaderthal jenningsLorcinHiPoint guys. We should choose our battles better. /end sarcasm

October 29, 2001, 10:41 PM	#39
NINE Senior Member Join Date: May 4, 2001 Posts: 431	Hey, hey.. come on guys! Guinness is the best copper solvent out there!

October 30, 2001, 07:49 PM	#41
SVTNate Senior Member Join Date: August 13, 2001 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 191	Man (and woman) is a social animal. We have a natural need to belong, we are comfortable in groups. Our primary group is our family, then friends, colleagues, and people with similar interests. Everyone is in many groups, and no one wants to admit (or consider) that another group may be better in some way. We all are shooters, firearms enthusiasts, "gun nuts". Within that, we have preferences, and want to find others with the same preferences. If you can communicate to these people beyond the realm of guns, they join your friends group. So, it may be silly, but it's perfectly natural. Also, there can often be some rationality. For example, I had a Glock. I sold it for an HK, and I have many reasons why I like the USP's better. I can show you both guns, and point to things I like better on the USP. That is a rational choice I have made. Consequently, I think the USP is a better gun. If you try and tell me otherwise, I will retort. ...and there's other folks who like to hate/degrade stuff they known nothing about. We are all guilty of it - from countries, to religions, to our neighbors and other people on this very internet board.

October 30, 2001, 08:07 PM	#42
Art Eatman Staff in Memoriam Join Date: November 13, 1998 Location: Terlingua, TX; Thomasville, GA Posts: 24,798	The idea of preferring one brand over another is okay. Even being rather "tribal" about it is okay. What puzzles me is the amount of importance in this tribal reverence. As has been noted, however, the greater the reverence, the less the apparent actual expertise. , Art

October 31, 2001, 01:24 AM	#43
Spectre Staff Alumnus Join Date: October 23, 1998 Location: ATL Posts: 3,277	First, Yup. I also tend to say things like, Wow. Interesting! Uh-huh. How 'bout that. and, I'll be.

October 31, 2001, 02:20 AM	#45
Mithirium Senior Member Join Date: August 29, 2001 Location: In the Foothills Posts: 345	Right on Weshoot2! The Real Tribe here for all should be people who believe in their liberties and freedoms and exercise their god given right to defend themselves with the weapons of their choice! (whew, got it all out)

October 31, 2001, 01:23 PM	#46
Legionnaire Senior Member Join Date: July 26, 2000 Location: Central TX Posts: 1,503	Whole concept behind the business strategy of "differentiation" is to convince people that your product (in this case a firearm) better meets their real or imagined needs. Nobody needs a Harley-Davidson for basic transportation; buying one caters to additional need(s). "Brand loyalty" is a "good thing" in the business world. I have a need to affiliate, as do all humans. But my needs are more around common objectives than the means to reach them. I hang out here because of WeShoot2's observation that we, collectively, are gun owners. But I don't really care what guns you own. If you're interested in mine, I'll tell you 'bout 'em, but I don't care whether you think they "rock" or "suck." They work for me. __________________ Cogito, ergo armatus sum.

October 31, 2001, 07:11 PM	#47
CaesarI Senior Member Join Date: February 23, 2000 Posts: 270	No "tribe" over here. We P7 owners are more sophistimicated... We prefer to call ourselves a "Cult" Now where's that kool-aid... -Morgan 9mm nancy-boyz that's cute now we can start caliber tribes too. I'm gonna enlist in the "this is the funniest thread on TFL in a while" tribe, where's our web-page...

October 31, 2001, 09:13 PM	#48
jaysouth Senior Member Join Date: February 27, 2001 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 788	I am a very fortunate 11 year old trapped in a middle aged body. Circumstances and cash that no body knows about have given me gunsafes full of toys and treasures. The only limitation that I can discern with Wilson, Sig, Glock, Beretta, Smith and Browning is my ability to utilize them to their fullest potential. Given my perverse nature, I would be the proudest kid on the block if I could win every shooting trophy awarded next year with a rusty Model 10 smith. Take that Todd Jarrett. The only legitmate way that I could trash someone else's choice in firearms is if I could outshoot them with a "lesser" one, but I too heed the age old addage of Mike from VA above, The more we learn........ If you're not having a good time shooting, take up ping pong or needle pointing, and let us duffers enjoy our sport and choice of guns that we're shooting on a given day. Jay

October 31, 2001, 09:29 PM	#49
Rainbow Six Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2000 Location: West Georgia, USA Posts: 1,314	Shouldn't this be in General Discussion... or something? That would rule!

November 1, 2001, 01:07 PM	#50
nwgunman Senior Member Join Date: July 17, 1999 Location: Olympia, WA Posts: 312	There is an excellent article by Ken Good that addresses this issue in the Sept/Oct 2001 issue of American Handgunner.