Sig Sauer decline - Page 2

glider · May 8, 2025, 07:45 AM

I don't think there is anything wrong with the 320 that would cause the gun to fire all by itself. I don't care for plastic guns as a rule, so I don't own one and probably won't, but I wouldn't be afraid of one! My 229 and 226 are as reliable as taxes. I did sell a 220 because I just didn't care for it, nothing wrong with it though. You guys are worse than a bunch of old ladies LOL!!!!!!!

R_P_K_ · May 10, 2025, 04:49 PM

The military versions all have the manual safety, that may make a difference.

**Aguila Blanca** · May 10, 2025, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by R P K

The military versions all have the manual safety, that may make a difference.

It might ... but it doesn't. At least, not according to a military member on another forum who is in charge of his unit's arms room.

One of his unit's M17s self-destructed on the range recently, so he supervised the tear-down. What he found was bad enough that he has decided to sell his personal P320. Basically, the manual safety blocks the trigger bar, not the sear or the plunger. So the gun can still fire due to inertia or plunger block malfunction even with the manual safety engaged.

rock185 · May 11, 2025, 03:19 PM

I don't have any experience with the P320, but do have other, metal framed, SIGs made in the last 10 years or so. They seem like quality, reliable guns to me, So I don't know that there is an overall decline; but perhaps an issue with a particular model.

Didn't know the SIG president is the former Kimber president. Bothers me not at all. The half dozen Kimbers I've owned were all good guns...

Ricklin · May 12, 2025, 01:33 PM

Really rapid growth. Be very careful what you wish for, you just might discover that a HUGE increase in sales must be well supported by those at Sig that manufacture the products.
A small flaw changes the picture when production volume increases 10 fold. Small "problems" become very large problems.

**Aguila Blanca** · May 12, 2025, 03:39 PM

There's a difference between manufacturing and design. The problems with the P320/M17/M18 appear to be design-based, not caused by sloppy manufacturing.

Jack19 · May 13, 2025, 09:40 AM

Cost cutting and this guy....

**Aguila Blanca** · May 13, 2025, 09:56 AM

^^^ ??? Who is he? Are we supposed to recognize him?

Shoots Left · May 13, 2025, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Aguila Blanca

^^^ ??? Who is he? Are we supposed to recognize him?

I think that's a young Al Bundy before he went into the shoe business.

FoghornLeghorn · May 13, 2025, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Aguila Blanca

^^^ ??? Who is he? Are we supposed to recognize him?

SIG SAUER CEO Ron Cohen

https://www.shootingsportsretailer.c...ging-retailers

Edited to add: Right now! I've got 1,000 posts! I'll never have it again!

Jack19 · May 13, 2025, 06:58 PM

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^^^ ??? Who is he? Are we supposed to recognize him?

Maybe not, but he's the most You Tube gun company CEO ever. Sig's Ron Cohen; and his cost cutting hasn't helped Sig.

(Foghorn, congrats on the 1000!!)

FP2000H · May 19, 2025, 03:06 AM

Agreed. I sold my P320s and haven’t looked back. I also sold my P365s. I carry and shoot H&K now and couldn’t be happier. The only Sigs I’ll own are the classic P series Sigs of German manufacture from before Ron Cohen came aboard when the brand slogan was “To Hell And Back” reliability. You can keep all the current production with made in India MIM parts. No thanks.

Seven High · May 20, 2025, 03:16 PM

Is the FCU on the M17 /18 the same as in the 365? I have not heard of any accidental/negilent incidents with the 365.

TunnelRat · May 20, 2025, 03:18 PM

The 365 is notably different.

wild cat mccane · May 21, 2025, 12:34 AM

To my knowledge there has never been an internet forum mention of a p365 drop fire or hit fire.

I think the P365 is solid.

I think Walther quitely replaced the pps m1 for safety reasons. You can search it out that a fella was getting fire on backstrap decock.

Bc of that, i would say the p365 is the micro winner of a gun that is small and robust enough to be near compact full size duty level.

Here, Sig gets due credit. No one has bested it in size or modularity.

I also recall when Buds was sitting on the most P250rs that never moved with rapid price drops. P320 based off it. It wasnt a flawlessly reliable DA gun either.

Shoots Left · May 22, 2025, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by wild cat mccane

I also recall when Buds was sitting on the most P250rs that never moved with rapid price drops. P320 based off it. It wasnt a flawlessly reliable DA gun either.

Bud's appears to have a bunch of used P320s up for sale on their website. Deja Vu all over again? I'm guessing that these are LE trade ins?

What's the allure of these LE trade ins? That they haven't ADed yet?

This gives me visions of Clint Eastwood standing there saying "This P320 hasn't accidentally discharged yet! Feeling lucky punk?"

May 11, 2025, 03:19 PM	#29
rock185 Senior Member Join Date: September 2, 2001 Location: Out West in Rim Country Posts: 1,120	I don't have any experience with the P320, but do have other, metal framed, SIGs made in the last 10 years or so. They seem like quality, reliable guns to me, So I don't know that there is an overall decline; but perhaps an issue with a particular model. Didn't know the SIG president is the former Kimber president. Bothers me not at all. The half dozen Kimbers I've owned were all good guns... __________________ COTEP 640, NRA Life

May 12, 2025, 01:33 PM	#30
Ricklin Senior Member Join Date: February 22, 2008 Location: SW Washington state Posts: 2,392	Rapid growth Really rapid growth. Be very careful what you wish for, you just might discover that a HUGE increase in sales must be well supported by those at Sig that manufacture the products. A small flaw changes the picture when production volume increases 10 fold. Small "problems" become very large problems. __________________ ricklin Freedom is not free

May 12, 2025, 03:39 PM	#31
Aguila Blanca Staff Join Date: September 25, 2008 Location: CONUS Posts: 19,050	There's a difference between manufacturing and design. The problems with the P320/M17/M18 appear to be design-based, not caused by sloppy manufacturing. __________________ NRA Life Member / Certified Instructor NRA Chief RSO / CMP RSO 1911 Certified Armorer Jeepaholic

May 13, 2025, 09:40 AM	#32
Jack19 Senior Member Join Date: August 18, 2001 Location: Earth Posts: 751	Cost cutting and this guy.... __________________ Once people stop believing in God, the problem is not that they will believe in nothing; rather, the problem is that they will believe anything. - C. S. Lewis

May 13, 2025, 09:56 AM	#33
Aguila Blanca Staff Join Date: September 25, 2008 Location: CONUS Posts: 19,050	^^^ ??? Who is he? Are we supposed to recognize him? __________________ NRA Life Member / Certified Instructor NRA Chief RSO / CMP RSO 1911 Certified Armorer Jeepaholic

May 8, 2025, 07:45 AM	#26
glider Member Join Date: March 16, 2025 Posts: 54	I don't think there is anything wrong with the 320 that would cause the gun to fire all by itself. I don't care for plastic guns as a rule, so I don't own one and probably won't, but I wouldn't be afraid of one! My 229 and 226 are as reliable as taxes. I did sell a 220 because I just didn't care for it, nothing wrong with it though. You guys are worse than a bunch of old ladies LOL!!!!!!!

May 10, 2025, 04:49 PM	#27
R_P_K_ Member Join Date: July 18, 2017 Posts: 35	The military versions all have the manual safety, that may make a difference.

May 19, 2025, 03:06 AM	#37
FP2000H Member Join Date: October 18, 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 73	Agreed. I sold my P320s and haven’t looked back. I also sold my P365s. I carry and shoot H&K now and couldn’t be happier. The only Sigs I’ll own are the classic P series Sigs of German manufacture from before Ron Cohen came aboard when the brand slogan was “To Hell And Back” reliability. You can keep all the current production with made in India MIM parts. No thanks. __________________ You have the right to be offended.

May 20, 2025, 03:16 PM	#38
Seven High Senior Member Join Date: December 11, 2004 Posts: 663	Is the FCU on the M17 /18 the same as in the 365? I have not heard of any accidental/negilent incidents with the 365.

May 20, 2025, 03:18 PM	#39
TunnelRat Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2011 Posts: 12,422	The 365 is notably different.

May 21, 2025, 12:34 AM	#40
wild cat mccane Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2011 Posts: 3,864	To my knowledge there has never been an internet forum mention of a p365 drop fire or hit fire. I think the P365 is solid. I think Walther quitely replaced the pps m1 for safety reasons. You can search it out that a fella was getting fire on backstrap decock. Bc of that, i would say the p365 is the micro winner of a gun that is small and robust enough to be near compact full size duty level. Here, Sig gets due credit. No one has bested it in size or modularity. I also recall when Buds was sitting on the most P250rs that never moved with rapid price drops. P320 based off it. It wasnt a flawlessly reliable DA gun either. __________________ My wife is a pulmonologist (respiratory Dr) and epidemiologist. If you have any questions on COVID, please reach out to me in PM.