Ruger Gunsite Scout. - Page 2

Sharkbite · December 30, 2024, 10:47 PM

A 3-4 MOA bolt gun is no bueno in my book.

JustJake · December 31, 2024, 09:06 AM

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Here is my long term review and opinion of the Gunsite Scout or just Scout from Ruger. It’s geared towards people not familiar with the scout rifle concept.

Kinda long-winded.

A pithier review would’ve said that while Ruger’s SR isn’t a horrible execution of the concept, it clearly fails to “make weight” - a criterion Cooper regarded as essential to a true SR.

taylorce1 · January 1, 2025, 09:15 AM

I've often thought of putting together a scout rifle, I always thought most full stocked hunting rifles like the Ruger RSI would be a good choice. Then I realize I hate short barreled rifles if I'm not using a suppressor. Although with newer electronic hearing protection, it's much easier to go hunting afield with ear-pro unsuppressed.

If I was going to "scout" any of my rifles, I have a sporterized Krag that would fit the bill. However, it wouldn't be Cooper's ideal scout rifle either, I wouldn't have the range, I couldn't use stripper clips, and not easily found ammunition. However, the lunchbox magazine makes for fast reloads. There are speed loaders out there for Krags, so maybe the Colonel would forgive my choice of cartridge and rifle.

I did remove the buckhorn rear sight and mounted a Rice Peep sight to the bolt shroud. Now all it would take is a new rib soldered to the barrel to mount a scout scope in QR rings and I'd be set. That and add a shooting sling. The .30-40 just doesn't have the report of the .308 in a short barrel, making it much more pleasant to shoot IMO.

**44 AMP** · January 1, 2025, 01:47 PM

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However, it wouldn't be Cooper's ideal scout rifle either, I wouldn't have the range,...

Why wouldn't you???

Cooper felt the rifle should be in a round that could engage targets out to 500m if needed. The .30-40 Krag will do that.

The Krag is a bit quieter than the .308, its a lower intensity round. The .30-40 is loaded in the 40K psi range, the .308 is loaded in the 50K psi range, or even hotter.

The charger looks interesting, but there's no clear indication it will work with .30-40 ammo. Norwegian Krags are 6.5x55mm.

Also, while most people seem to think the "Scout Scope" is the defining feature of a Scout Rifle, Cooper never required a scope on a scout rifle. What he did say was that IF a scope was going to be used, it should be mounted in front of the action.

taylorce1 · January 1, 2025, 05:57 PM

I lose a lot of speed with the shortened 19" barrel on the Krag. 200 gr bullets are around 2000 fps, and the sight doesn't have the elevation to get to 500m without extreme holdover. The scout scope is just to help my aging eyes.

As far as the speed loaders they had the same design for the 8X58R Danish Krag. That case is similar in size to the .30-40 and I've read they work. The problem is locating one in the U.S. for sale.

**44 AMP** · January 1, 2025, 08:28 PM

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200 gr bullets are around 2000 fps, and the sight doesn't have the elevation to get to 500m without extreme holdover

That's when you fit a different sight.

With a 220gr rn at 2400fps, drop at 500 is about 10 feet. Same bullet at 2000 drops about 4 feet more at the same range. IF you can hit with one, you should be able to hit with the other. Its just a matter of practice.

jetinteriorguy · January 3, 2025, 11:46 AM

I used to have a friend that hunted deer with a Kraig back in the sixties. We’d always joke that he could shoot then set the rifle down and have a smoke while waiting for the bullet to hit. I’ve always wanted to add one to my collection.

JustJake · January 5, 2025, 05:23 PM

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I lose a lot of speed with the shortened 19" barrel on the Krag. 200 gr bullets are around 2000 fps, and the sight doesn't have the elevation to get to 500m without extreme holdover. The scout scope is just to help my aging eyes.

The Scout Rifle concept as applied to a 30-40 Krag has been done before.

Swifty Morgan · January 7, 2025, 05:17 PM

I don't get it.

To me, the only reason to move from semi-auto to bolt is to get a little more accuracy, and only in a gun you don't expect to need to fire rapidly. So not a self-defense weapon. Only hunting or target shooting.

You can buy a semi-auto that's in the 1-MOA area, which is more accuracy than anyone needs for self-defense, and if you have to fire a lot of shots, a bolt gun will get you killed.

Seems like you're giving up important things and getting just nothing in return.

What am I missing? Is it that hard to find a reliable semi-auto in a powerful chambering?

Is it possible Jeff Cooper wasn't always right?

**44 AMP** · January 7, 2025, 06:26 PM

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I don't get it.

Seems like you don't.

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To me, the only reason to move from semi-auto to bolt is to get a little more accuracy, and only in a gun you don't expect to need to fire rapidly. So not a self-defense weapon. Only hunting or target shooting.

OK, but that's just you. For other people, other considerations can be more important, one of them being weight.

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You can buy a semi-auto that's in the 1-MOA area, which is more accuracy than anyone needs for self-defense, and if you have to fire a lot of shots, a bolt gun will get you killed.

Seems like you're giving up important things and getting just nothing in return.

Everyone's ideas of what is important differ. You seem to be looking at rapid fire, and defense/combat scenarios, and finding the bolt action wanting, which, for those situations, it is.

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What am I missing? Is it that hard to find a reliable semi-auto in a powerful chambering?

You can find reliable semi autos in powerful chamberings, what's harder to find are ones that fit the Scout Rifle concept.

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Is it possible Jeff Cooper wasn't always right?

Of course its possible, are you suggesting he was wrong, in this case?? IF you are, then I don't think you understand what he was going for. The "Scout Rifle" concept was not meant to be a modern combat rifle. The idea was that it was to be a short (1m), light (3kg or less) rifle in a caliber capable of taking larger animals (if needed) and could be used out to 500m range, IF NEEDED. And that's part of the key, "if needed". For modern military use, there are better rifles. For sport hunting, the concept serves pretty well for many situations, but not all of them, and for those situations, there are better rifles.

Some of Coopers ideal features of his Scout rifle are anachronisms, others are not and are still very handy for field use today.

bamaranger · January 10, 2025, 01:10 AM

Cooper was not adverse to a semiauto scout, he stated as much in print at least once, but he further advised that there was not a semiauto action/rifle system light enough to serve as the portable, all purpose rifle he was trying to develop.

Coopers length and weight "standards" aside, all factors equal (stock material ,barrel length, etc) every .308 semi system is heavier than a simple bolt system. And weight is a large component of portability, which was paramount in Coopers theory. Coopers vision of a "scout" ( as in person or individual, not the rifle) was a man on foot, covering ground, lots of ground, with a rifle he could hunt or defend himself with as needs be. Think more along the lines of the turn of the 18th/19th century explorer. Coopers scout was not the scout/sniper of today. If a combatant, Coopers scout avoided contact and would shoot and scoot away from trouble....hopefully.

Reliability is a to a large degree a function of simplicity. Strictly speaking, a good manual feeding system (read bolt) will always be statically more reliable than a mechanical (read semiauto) system. There are simply fewer moving parts to mesh and correspondingly fewer parts to fail. Coopers secondary interest was reliability. He advocated detachable scope mounts and BUIS, as scopes in his day and age (and even today) can fail.

The bolt rifles of WWI and WWII proved the bolt systemsdurability and reliability, but were surpassed by semiauto rifles in the interest of firepower, which is a paramount concern in combat. The semi rifle was succeeded by the selective fire rifle for the same reason. Cooper was not interested in firepower or magazine capacity. In his theory, his "scout" had no need for it. That his scout rifle be a manual repeater only made practical sense, a single shot rifle would have been a step backwards. But rate and volume of fire were not a priority.

Finally, Cooper liked the old Krag rifles. He wrote a paragraph or two on lopping the barrel off a Krag, fitting better sights (I think) and what a practical rifle resulted. I don't think he ever fitted an optic to a Krag.

bamaranger · January 10, 2025, 01:35 AM

I just reread that post and the above line jumped out at me. No offense intended, but such logic exemplifies the mindset of most of our shooters today. It is the reason that Coopers short, light, portable scout rifle has grown big box mags, muzzle devices and is no longer as short light or portable as Cooper intended. These things were added to make the scout rifle appeal to folks of that mindset. The concept of a .30 caliber, portable, general purpose rifle is pretty much lost on these folks.

The scout rifle was never intended as a pure fighting rifle or one where "you had to fire a lot of shots". It was never intended for enemy in the wire or holding a position against a banzai charge. Cooper, a WWII marine, certainly knew about such situations, and was familiar with weapons (Garand, BAR and 1919 LMG) that would address them. Rather, as I have stated before, it intended to be light and handy, powerful enough to hunt most game with at reasonable distances and serve as a defensive arm if needs be.

I'm done here now, as I am repeating myself.

**44 AMP** · January 10, 2025, 04:44 PM

Bamaranger gets it!

JustJake · January 10, 2025, 05:24 PM

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Bamaranger gets it!

Apparently not.

Bama’ missed Cooper’s key criteria for a true Scout Rifle - which is that it MUST meet the weight requirement, which requirement Cooper shifted over time.

Regardless, if a particular SR specimen doesn’t “make weight,” then whatever else you might call it, it’s not a legit SR. And that’s true even if it checks all the other boxes Cooper set forth for a SR build.

A ‘Faux SR’ might be the closest accurate label. Guys build those all the time thinking they have a true SR that Cooper would approve.

Very sad, the vanity.

shuvelrider · January 10, 2025, 11:44 PM

I have the Ruger Scout walnut stocked in .450BM with a Burris Banner 3x9 scope on top, in it I shoot my handloads with a 300 gr jhp. That has been a wonderful combination in the Michigan deer woods, that rifle is the handiest combination of size and caliber whether in a blind/stand or doing a walk/stalk. That round hits like a hammer!!

jmr40 · January 11, 2025, 09:36 AM

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However, it wouldn't be Cooper's ideal scout rifle either

Who cares what Cooper thought.

Cooper started thinking about the Scout Rifle concept decades ago using WW-2 surplus rifles. Over the years even Cooper was willing to accept other ideas as long as it would achieve the same goals. His ideal rifle certainly evolved over the years and would have continued to evolve were he still alive.

We have newer technology, MUCH better optics, DBM bolt rifles, and synthetic stocks that Cooper didn't have access to when he 1st envisioned the Scout rifle. Neither the Steyer, Savage, or Ruger versions come close to his original Scout concept, but he endorsed them. I think the Steyer was his favorite.

I say, put together the rifle that meets YOUR needs. I have no use for forward mounted optics and there is no need to handicap yourself with them if you have a DBM rifle. The main purpose of those optics was to be able to quickly reload military surplus rifles via stripper clips. I'm 100% certain that Cooper would agree with that in 2025 if he were still alive.

JustJake · January 11, 2025, 10:13 AM

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Cooper started thinking about the Scout Rifle concept decades ago using WW-2 surplus rifles. Over the years even Cooper was willing to accept other ideas as long as it would achieve the same goals. His ideal rifle certainly evolved over the years and would have continued to evolve were he still alive.
We have newer technology, MUCH better optics, DBM bolt rifles, and synthetic stocks that Cooper didn't have access to when he 1st envisioned the Scout rifle. Neither the Steyer, Savage, or Ruger versions come close to his original Scout concept, but he endorsed them. I think the Steyer was his favorite.

Ah dude,

…. there were in fact “Scout Rifles” in factory trim long before Cooper popularized the concept of a compact sub-7lb .30-cal carbine running a forward-mounted scope.

Circa 1968 or ‘69:

Even the Fudd’s on board with it:

**44 AMP** · January 12, 2025, 03:52 PM

My first deer rifle was a Remington 600 in .308Win. I still have it, along with other 600s in .222, .243, 6mmRem, and .350 Rem Mag.

I do not use the forward mounted scope on any of them. Cooper advocated the forward mounted scope to keep the action clear so it could be reloaded using stripper clips. Stripper clips are simply not an option with a Remington 600.

(and, even if they were, I wouldn't be using them

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The Remington 600 series existed well before Cooper published his Scout rifle concept, and I'm sure they had an influence on his thinking. At least one of Coopers personal Scout rifles was built on a Rem 600 (in .350 Rem Mag!)

Pumpkin · January 12, 2025, 08:36 PM

An old friend of mine’s dad had a Model 81 in 35 Rem with a scope mounted ahead of receiver.

Scout rifle?

bamaranger · January 13, 2025, 12:05 AM

Sorry, guess I just thought I was done!

I found the two vintage ads very interesting. For one, I did not realize that the Rem 600 was drilled and tapped forward for the IER system. Further, I did not realize that the standard Model 600 was available in .35 Rem.

I saw a Model 600 Magnum in 6.5Mag (no scope) a year or so ago in a pawn shop....hefty price tag. My Dad used the Redfield IER mount and I think a Leupold pistol scope on a Model '94 Win chambered in .44 mag, circa 1970.

Regards length and weight.......does any production rifle, all up, loaded, with optic and sling, make Coopers height and weight (

) standards? The Steyer comes close, empty and naked, but add the accessories and it fails.

**44 AMP** · January 13, 2025, 03:34 PM

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I did not realize that the Rem 600 was drilled and tapped forward for the IER system

It's not.

The vent rib is Xytel Nylon (Remington's space age plastic of the time) which is fastened to the rifle with screws. The "legs" of the rib slip over steel pillars/posts that are welded to the barrel, drilled and tapped for the screws, and the oversize screw heads cover both the post and the rib. holding them together. The mount shown in the ads is using these holes, and the screw holes for the rear sight base.

The rifle's receiver is drilled and tapped for standard scope mounting, and some were also factory drilled and tapped for side mounted peep sight.

The trigger guard and "floorplate" are also nylon, and can be bowed if the action is removed from the stock and not correctly reassembled.

The .35 Remington was a listed caliber, but very few rifles were made. As far as I know the .35 is the second "rarest" caliber, the most rare is the .223 Rem. Nearly all the .223 Rem 600s you will see are rechambered .222s. the last time (and it was some years ago) I saw a FACTORY chambered .223 model 600 for sale, the price was above $5000

The 600 series rifles have some great features, and were generally underappreciated by the market at the time. They were also Remington's budget rifle, and wound up being phased out for the 788 series, which, to me, are no where near as good looking, though they do generally shoot very well.

The 600 makes length and weight and power to fit Cooper's original Scout rifle concept, but lack the other features he wanted.

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An old friend of mine’s dad had a Model 81 in 35 Rem with a scope mounted ahead of receiver.

Scout rifle?

I'd say no. Too long and way too heavy.

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We have newer technology, MUCH better optics, DBM bolt rifles, and synthetic stocks that Cooper didn't have access to when he 1st envisioned the Scout rifle

Enlighten me, please, what is a DBM bolt rifle??

taylorce1 · January 14, 2025, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by 44 AMP

Enlighten me, please, what is a DBM bolt rifle??

DBM aka Detachable Box Magazine.

bamaranger · January 23, 2025, 12:22 PM

I'm back....again......to state I am wrong.....again.

Previously I stated that the XS Sights people made a screw on scout rail for the Ruger American family. Incorrect!

The aftermarket rail I was thinking of is made by Skinner Sights.

Sorry

stagpanther · January 23, 2025, 01:32 PM

No soup for you!

Pumpkin · January 24, 2025, 09:37 AM

I have a M70 Lightweight Carbine in .308 with a 4x Leupold.

If I were to replace the scope with a 1.5-4 variable what would it give up to the original scout rifle concept?

I have two Contenders with extended eye relief scopes. As much as I love these pistols the scope setup would have to be the worst feature to want to carryover to a lightweight rifle. Eye box and field of view are greatly compromised.

The need of a stripper clip would be the only reason I could imagine for wanting a ER scope.

January 1, 2025, 09:15 AM	#28
taylorce1 Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2005 Location: On the Santa Fe Trail Posts: 8,494	I've often thought of putting together a scout rifle, I always thought most full stocked hunting rifles like the Ruger RSI would be a good choice. Then I realize I hate short barreled rifles if I'm not using a suppressor. Although with newer electronic hearing protection, it's much easier to go hunting afield with ear-pro unsuppressed. If I was going to "scout" any of my rifles, I have a sporterized Krag that would fit the bill. However, it wouldn't be Cooper's ideal scout rifle either, I wouldn't have the range, I couldn't use stripper clips, and not easily found ammunition. However, the lunchbox magazine makes for fast reloads. There are speed loaders out there for Krags, so maybe the Colonel would forgive my choice of cartridge and rifle. I did remove the buckhorn rear sight and mounted a Rice Peep sight to the bolt shroud. Now all it would take is a new rib soldered to the barrel to mount a scout scope in QR rings and I'd be set. That and add a shooting sling. The .30-40 just doesn't have the report of the .308 in a short barrel, making it much more pleasant to shoot IMO. __________________ NRA Life Member

January 1, 2025, 05:57 PM	#30
taylorce1 Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2005 Location: On the Santa Fe Trail Posts: 8,494	I lose a lot of speed with the shortened 19" barrel on the Krag. 200 gr bullets are around 2000 fps, and the sight doesn't have the elevation to get to 500m without extreme holdover. The scout scope is just to help my aging eyes. As far as the speed loaders they had the same design for the 8X58R Danish Krag. That case is similar in size to the .30-40 and I've read they work. The problem is locating one in the U.S. for sale. __________________ NRA Life Member

January 7, 2025, 05:17 PM	#34
Swifty Morgan Senior Member Join Date: September 13, 2018 Location: FL Posts: 634	I don't get it. To me, the only reason to move from semi-auto to bolt is to get a little more accuracy, and only in a gun you don't expect to need to fire rapidly. So not a self-defense weapon. Only hunting or target shooting. You can buy a semi-auto that's in the 1-MOA area, which is more accuracy than anyone needs for self-defense, and if you have to fire a lot of shots, a bolt gun will get you killed. Seems like you're giving up important things and getting just nothing in return. What am I missing? Is it that hard to find a reliable semi-auto in a powerful chambering? Is it possible Jeff Cooper wasn't always right? __________________ Selling a gun is like selling a child, without the relief over not having to pay for college The Bill of Rights was written largely to prevent rudeness. Infringement doesn't have to be catastrophic to be intolerable.

January 10, 2025, 01:10 AM	#36
bamaranger Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2009 Location: North Alabama Posts: 8,788	all about weight Cooper was not adverse to a semiauto scout, he stated as much in print at least once, but he further advised that there was not a semiauto action/rifle system light enough to serve as the portable, all purpose rifle he was trying to develop. Coopers length and weight "standards" aside, all factors equal (stock material ,barrel length, etc) every .308 semi system is heavier than a simple bolt system. And weight is a large component of portability, which was paramount in Coopers theory. Coopers vision of a "scout" ( as in person or individual, not the rifle) was a man on foot, covering ground, lots of ground, with a rifle he could hunt or defend himself with as needs be. Think more along the lines of the turn of the 18th/19th century explorer. Coopers scout was not the scout/sniper of today. If a combatant, Coopers scout avoided contact and would shoot and scoot away from trouble....hopefully. Reliability is a to a large degree a function of simplicity. Strictly speaking, a good manual feeding system (read bolt) will always be statically more reliable than a mechanical (read semiauto) system. There are simply fewer moving parts to mesh and correspondingly fewer parts to fail. Coopers secondary interest was reliability. He advocated detachable scope mounts and BUIS, as scopes in his day and age (and even today) can fail. The bolt rifles of WWI and WWII proved the bolt systemsdurability and reliability, but were surpassed by semiauto rifles in the interest of firepower, which is a paramount concern in combat. The semi rifle was succeeded by the selective fire rifle for the same reason. Cooper was not interested in firepower or magazine capacity. In his theory, his "scout" had no need for it. That his scout rifle be a manual repeater only made practical sense, a single shot rifle would have been a step backwards. But rate and volume of fire were not a priority. Finally, Cooper liked the old Krag rifles. He wrote a paragraph or two on lopping the barrel off a Krag, fitting better sights (I think) and what a practical rifle resulted. I don't think he ever fitted an optic to a Krag.

January 10, 2025, 01:35 AM	#37
bamaranger Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2009 Location: North Alabama Posts: 8,788	"a bolt rifle will get you killed" I just reread that post and the above line jumped out at me. No offense intended, but such logic exemplifies the mindset of most of our shooters today. It is the reason that Coopers short, light, portable scout rifle has grown big box mags, muzzle devices and is no longer as short light or portable as Cooper intended. These things were added to make the scout rifle appeal to folks of that mindset. The concept of a .30 caliber, portable, general purpose rifle is pretty much lost on these folks. The scout rifle was never intended as a pure fighting rifle or one where "you had to fire a lot of shots". It was never intended for enemy in the wire or holding a position against a banzai charge. Cooper, a WWII marine, certainly knew about such situations, and was familiar with weapons (Garand, BAR and 1919 LMG) that would address them. Rather, as I have stated before, it intended to be light and handy, powerful enough to hunt most game with at reasonable distances and serve as a defensive arm if needs be. I'm done here now, as I am repeating myself.

December 30, 2024, 10:47 PM	#26
Sharkbite Senior Member Join Date: November 4, 2013 Location: Western slope of Colorado Posts: 3,822	A 3-4 MOA bolt gun is no bueno in my book.

January 3, 2025, 11:46 AM	#32
jetinteriorguy Senior Member Join Date: April 28, 2013 Posts: 3,465	I used to have a friend that hunted deer with a Kraig back in the sixties. We’d always joke that he could shoot then set the rifle down and have a smoke while waiting for the bullet to hit. I’ve always wanted to add one to my collection.

January 10, 2025, 04:44 PM	#38
44 AMP Staff Join Date: March 11, 2006 Location: Upper US Posts: 30,440	Bamaranger gets it! __________________ All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better.

January 10, 2025, 11:44 PM	#40
shuvelrider Senior Member Join Date: October 2, 2011 Location: West Coast of Michigan Posts: 136	I have the Ruger Scout walnut stocked in .450BM with a Burris Banner 3x9 scope on top, in it I shoot my handloads with a 300 gr jhp. That has been a wonderful combination in the Michigan deer woods, that rifle is the handiest combination of size and caliber whether in a blind/stand or doing a walk/stalk. That round hits like a hammer!!

January 12, 2025, 03:52 PM	#43
44 AMP Staff Join Date: March 11, 2006 Location: Upper US Posts: 30,440	My first deer rifle was a Remington 600 in .308Win. I still have it, along with other 600s in .222, .243, 6mmRem, and .350 Rem Mag. I do not use the forward mounted scope on any of them. Cooper advocated the forward mounted scope to keep the action clear so it could be reloaded using stripper clips. Stripper clips are simply not an option with a Remington 600. (and, even if they were, I wouldn't be using them ) The Remington 600 series existed well before Cooper published his Scout rifle concept, and I'm sure they had an influence on his thinking. At least one of Coopers personal Scout rifles was built on a Rem 600 (in .350 Rem Mag!) __________________ All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better.

January 12, 2025, 08:36 PM	#44
Pumpkin Senior Member Join Date: October 18, 2020 Location: Seguin Texas Posts: 981	An old friend of mine’s dad had a Model 81 in 35 Rem with a scope mounted ahead of receiver. Scout rifle?

January 13, 2025, 12:05 AM	#45
bamaranger Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2009 Location: North Alabama Posts: 8,788	I'm back Sorry, guess I just thought I was done! I found the two vintage ads very interesting. For one, I did not realize that the Rem 600 was drilled and tapped forward for the IER system. Further, I did not realize that the standard Model 600 was available in .35 Rem. I saw a Model 600 Magnum in 6.5Mag (no scope) a year or so ago in a pawn shop....hefty price tag. My Dad used the Redfield IER mount and I think a Leupold pistol scope on a Model '94 Win chambered in .44 mag, circa 1970. Regards length and weight.......does any production rifle, all up, loaded, with optic and sling, make Coopers height and weight () standards? The Steyer comes close, empty and naked, but add the accessories and it fails. Last edited by bamaranger; January 13, 2025 at 12:16 AM.

January 23, 2025, 12:22 PM	#48
bamaranger Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2009 Location: North Alabama Posts: 8,788	wrong again I'm back....again......to state I am wrong.....again. Previously I stated that the XS Sights people made a screw on scout rail for the Ruger American family. Incorrect! The aftermarket rail I was thinking of is made by Skinner Sights. Sorry

January 23, 2025, 01:32 PM	#49
stagpanther Senior Member Join Date: March 2, 2014 Posts: 12,897	No soup for you! __________________ "Everyone speaks gun."--Robert O'Neill *I am NOT an expert--I do not have any formal experience or certification in firearms use or testing; use any information I post at your own risk!*

January 24, 2025, 09:37 AM	#50
Pumpkin Senior Member Join Date: October 18, 2020 Location: Seguin Texas Posts: 981	I have a M70 Lightweight Carbine in .308 with a 4x Leupold. If I were to replace the scope with a 1.5-4 variable what would it give up to the original scout rifle concept? I have two Contenders with extended eye relief scopes. As much as I love these pistols the scope setup would have to be the worst feature to want to carryover to a lightweight rifle. Eye box and field of view are greatly compromised. The need of a stripper clip would be the only reason I could imagine for wanting a ER scope.