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Old June 3, 2020, 11:39 PM   #26
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I didn’t say it don’t work , only everything else is better lol

FWIW all those first lubes I mentioned are not all used for the same thing .

Slip2000 ewl 30 = BCG & handgun slides

WD-40 specialist and Hornady one shot Extreme duty = Long term storage especially bores Of firearms I’m not shooting often anymore . Along with other things I just don’t want to get rusty or corrode Without doing any real maintenance for long periods of time .

Corrosion X = all my exterior locks and hinges .

Weapon shield = internal gun parts and other small metals that contact each other .
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Old June 4, 2020, 10:47 AM   #27
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You can use the right tool for the job or you can use a micrometer for a C-clamp.

WD-40 works very well for some things.Its expedient and will get you by for others. And for some things,its not so good.
The key to WD 40 effectiveness is what you choose it for. I would not choose it for case sizing lube.
It works very well for an aluminum drilling tapping fluid.If I'm machining aluminum without flood coolant,it keeps aluminum from sticking to the cutter and ruining the surface finish.

It works quite well for giving an extra nice wipe down on a machine tool. It cleans the gunge off.But don't soak down the ways or head with it.
Guns? You can disagree,but I see nothing wrong with WD 40 for a light wipe down for short term .

Seems like (as I recall) the inventor wanted the formula to remain trade secret.As I recall,after searching I found some spec document that revealed ,(as I recall) its quite similar to a Stoddard solvent with the addition of a grade of mineral oil.
Thats mostly it.

I'm pretty sure nearly all petroleum oils have some degree of volatility. They dry up. They may leave some parafins behind.

So much of what these oil products are is in our imaginations.

If you dissolved vaseline in mineral spirits paint thinner,it would not be WD-40,but you could put a label on it,put it in a spray can,and market it as a miracle snake oil.
And we would write about it.

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Old June 4, 2020, 10:54 AM   #28
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It is very popular to dis WD-40, usually by know-it-alls who don't have a clue about ANYTHING.
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Old June 4, 2020, 01:07 PM   #29
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To the WD-40 fanboys Give one thing WD-40 does that there isn't another product out there that doesn't do it better ?

I get it , WD can do a lot . When I was growing up I used it for everything . I still use it but not nearly as much as I once did . As I got older I learned to use the correct products for the job . Does this make me a know it all , haha far from it . I think one of my greatest assets is knowing how smart I'm not . I've learned over the years the smarter the person the less likely they are willing to let go of there beliefs . For me , I'm not smart enough to think I know everything

I do like to discuss and debate though , I learn a lot that way .
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Old June 4, 2020, 02:09 PM   #30
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WD 40 sprayed on a buff will make to cut smoother, but more aggressively.
I doubt Frog Lube would work well on my guitar strings.
WD 40 penetrates better than thicker oils and will seep into crevices better.
It also displaces moisture better than any other product I have used.
Smart people experiment to see what things do, and they also take into account the knowledge of those more experienced.
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Old June 4, 2020, 02:24 PM   #31
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As a solvent, it is a cheaper alternative to "gun products" when it comes to getting residue from my shotgun barrels...............
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Old June 4, 2020, 06:44 PM   #32
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Oh, yeah- it works well for cleaning guns, too!
Don't use it for reloading.
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Old June 5, 2020, 12:04 AM   #33
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Other then water displacement I've not heard of another thing standard WD-40 is better at then any other product on the market ? I know it "can" be used for lots of stuff but what is it better at then any other product ? As I stated earlier I'm not smart enough to know better . Give me something and I'll start using it for it if there's nothing better .
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Old June 5, 2020, 12:52 AM   #34
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I recognize WD-40 is not a miracle snake oil.As I recall its a solvent with medium or heavy mineral oil in it,in a convenient spray can.

If I have to drill and tap a 6-32 hole 5/8 in deep in aluminum,I don't mind using Aluma-cut tapping fluid.but,IMO,WD-40 works as well.
I give it an "Excellent" as an aluminum metal cutting fluid.
The stuff was originally selected by the military for a specific use inside some missile. It must have been pretty good for that.

But I;m going to turn your question around. Yes,you can find better speciallized fluids. I prefer PB Blaster or KW Knocker-loose for penetrating oil.Good stuff.

But if I don't have those,WD 40 will probably work.

It might be better to think of it as a "jack of most trades" fluid,admittedly,Master of few.

But if you have a can of WD-40,yu can get a lot done.

So,I'll offer your challenge back.

If you could only have one spray can of fluid to use for most everything,what s better than WD 40?

I don't doubt thee are some better,depending on your point of view.

But a can of WD in your pickup or tool box can save the day.

Part of the deal is knowing how to use it. Its not idiot proof.
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As I recall its a solvent with medium or heavy mineral oil in it,in a convenient spray can.
Kerosene, actually.

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But I;m going to turn your question around. Yes,you can find better speciallized fluids. I prefer PB Blaster or KW Knocker-loose for penetrating oil.Good stuff.

But if I don't have those,WD 40 will probably work.
Try it on some heavily rusted fasteners on an old car. I'll bet it won't work. PB Blaster might work, Kroil almost certainly will work.

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If you could only have one spray can of fluid to use for most everything,what s better than WD 40?
Kroil would be my first choice. Second choice would probably be PB Blaster.
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Old June 5, 2020, 01:36 AM   #36
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Again, there is no kerosene in WD 40.
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Old June 5, 2020, 06:42 AM   #37
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WD-40 is just another tool in the box.
Some people are tool users.
Some not so much.
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Old June 5, 2020, 08:51 AM   #38
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https://yarchive.net/chem/wd40.html

Quote:
The WD stands for Water Displacing. I haven't analysed it,
( not commonly sold here ) but somebody ( Professor Toraki? )
squirted some down a GC/MS and confirmed the solvent was
boiling around 150-200C and only contained a minor % of
aromatics, which means it is either a narrow boiling range
kerosine fraction, or a special narrow boiling range solvent
like low aromatics white spirits
.
Another article says WD-40 is primarily Stoddard's Solvent (Varsol -- basically mineral spirits).

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Originally Posted by first link
I've analysed a similar product, and it was around 80%
kerosine,
10% acidless tallow oil, and 10% lubricating
oil light base gade - with some additional antioxidants
added to improve durability. When the composition of
WD-40 last came up in sci.chem, I wasn't sure if it was a
water displacing solvent only, but subsequently there
has been a long discussion about the film left behind in
some rec.* groups - which is why it should not be used as
a lubricant, the film is only a temporary corrosion protective
layer.
Another article said it's largely made up of naptha.

Then there's this one:

https://survivalfreedom.com/is-it-sa...-uses-on-cars/

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Despite the secrecy around its formula, we have some ideas as to what it contains due to disclosures needed for the material safety data sheets (MSDS) that all chemicals need to have before it is distributed. From the MSDS, we can discern that WD-40 contains:
  • 45-50% of an aliphatic hydrocarbon like kerosene, to create a low vapor pressure
  • <35% of heavy non-hazardous kinds of paraffin which come from petroleum-based oils
  • <25% of flammable aliphatic hydrocarbons
  • 2-3% of carbon dioxide, to make WD-40 into a propellant
Whatever it is, it has negligible lubricating capabilities. I'm still going with kerosene -- I've seen too many other breakdowns of it over the years that all said the same thing. And it behaves like kerosene when used as a tar remover on automobile paint.
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Old June 5, 2020, 09:00 AM   #39
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WD-40 addresses the Stoddard Solvent myth on their website.
https://www.wd40.com/myths-legends-fun-facts/
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Some here have never smelled kerosene, as in jet fuel. Or got it on their hands
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Old June 5, 2020, 10:28 AM   #41
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Higgite's link is worth a read.

I did buy a gallon can of WD-40 years ago when I was Parkerizing things. It is less expensive than Brownells' water displacing oil, even though it is a brand name item.

I watched a YouTube video about penetrants, applying them to rusted lugs and measuring the torque required to loosen them and that found Kroil not doing as well as any other item tried, though it did cost the most. That annoyed me because I have two cans of it. The top performer, beating both Kroil and PB Blaster and several other items was Liquid Wrench pro series penetrants. The video is here. Skip to 8:25 to see the comparison data. The problem is, you can look at the data and see the highest torque needed to break a lug nut with Liquid Wrench is above the lowest value for other penetrants, so there is enough overlap not to have a great deal of confidence in the relative mean values, especially for the all the rest other than Liquid Wrench. He needs more than four lugs per test. Nonetheless, the whole experiment casts a lot of doubt on conventional wisdom about what to use as a penetrating oil.
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I for one believe kroil is much overrated. I even think it is no better than breakfree CLP. I don't care for WD-40 either for its supposed magic power.

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Old June 5, 2020, 11:12 AM   #43
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I use it for cleaning, guns, fishing reels etc. It works really well for flushing grit and grim out of crevices. I don't use it for a primary lube for anything though. 3 in 1 oil is my go to quick lube, also horribly old fashioned but has worked for me for 50 plus years.

I was career Military and would be deployed the wife used WD 40 on anything that should move but did not and duct tape on anything should not move but did. After 3 to 6 months overseas I always had about a 2 page honey fix this list when I returned. She literally made a cabinet door hing out of duct tape on one occasion
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I for one believe kroil is much overrated. I even think it is no better than breakfree CLP. I don't care for WD-40 either for its supposed magic power.

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Kroil seems to me to be a good cleaner, but a poor penetrating or lubricating oil. It has a reputation of being a wonderful penetrant, but I think most of what people think is penetration is actually evaporation
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Higgit's link is worth a read.

I did buy a gallon can of WD-40 years ago when I was Parkerizing things. It is less expensive than Brownells' water displacing oil, even though it is a brand name item.

I watched a YouTube video about penetrants, applying them to rusted lugs and measuring the torque required to loosen them and that found Kroil not doing as well as any other item tried, though it did cost the most. That annoyed me because I have two cans of it. The top performer, beating both Kroil and PB Blaster and several other items was Liquid Wrench pro series penetrants. The video is here. Skip to 8:25 to see the comparison data. The problem is, you can look at the data and see the highest torque needed to break a lug nut with Liquid Wrench is above the lowest value for other penetrants, so there is enough overlap not to have a great deal of confidence in the relative mean values, especially for the all the rest other than Liquid Wrench. He needs more than four lugs per test. Nonetheless, the whole experiment casts a lot of doubt on conventional wisdom about what to use as a penetrating oil.
I dont know how accurate any if that is. Take a high dollar torque wrench and go break the same identical nuts over and over. There is a huge variation in break pressure required. I put the lug nuts on my dump truck with a torque wrench. I break them with an impact. Some break in half a second, some break in 5 seconds, some never break and twist the stud off.
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WD-40 addresses the Stoddard Solvent myth on their website.
https://www.wd40.com/myths-legends-fun-facts/
Mr Higgite,No big deal,but I went to the site and read the WD=40 response.

The way I read it,it would not be quite accurate to say "WD-40 is made of Stoddard Solvent"

But we might be talking about the difference between Bourbon and Sour Mash.

Myth??? I guess it depends on how you look at it.

Anyway. No big deal. Hair splitting all around.

IMO,you would be close if you threw a pound of lard in a gallon and a half of diesel.
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I once brought a can of WD-40 into the same room as a gun I was cleaning and the gun instantly oxidized into a pile of rust. Sad.

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As kid, my dad showed me to use WD-40 on nearly everything, to include firearms. Nowadays, I do like my more specialized solvents and oils and greases. But having a can of WD-40 in your tool box, on the road, when you need a lube or penetrant or protectant, beats my can of Kroil, tube of synthetic grease, mobil 1 motor oil, and suchlike back in my garage.

WD-40 saved my bacon a couple months back when I needed to open a shipping container. The lock was corroded and had I forced the key, it would have broken off. I also lubed the hinges and suchlike that evening. Next week I came back with some kroil and synthetic grease, but when things were on the line, WD-40 came through.
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The biggest problem with WD-40 and guns is that most use too damn much of it. And no its not a very good lube. Not for heavy lubing anyway. And I have used it to clean many guns. Its seems to loosen fouling pretty good so it can be brushed out. No its not the best at anything but like others have said its another tool to have on hand.

And its no good at all on anything with a rubber seal. Spray it on the gas system in your 1100 and you will be replacing the rubber seal.

And if you have a can that no longer has any propellant in it don't throw it out if it still had the liquid in it. Turn the can upside down and make sure all the propellant is out and then near the bottom poke a hole in the can. DO NOT USE A DRILL. I know a kid who wanted to see what the rattle ball was in a can of paint and used a drill to make a hole. He nearly burned himself to death when the propellant was lit by the drill and spent nearly a year in the burn center.

So make a small hole and you can drain the can and save the WD-40 for small area lubing/cleaning. I have a pill bottle full I just used earlier tonight to stop the bluing on a grip screw I blued.
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Old June 6, 2020, 01:02 AM   #49
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When you have bought over 12 other more modern products that ... Clean, Lube, & Penetrate or...
(Lube, Prevent rust)
WD 40 will still be good for killing Insects
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CAS# 64742-47-8 = Hydrotreated Naptha aka isoparrafin
CAS# 8008-20-6 = Kerosene

WD40 SDS states clearly that it contains 64742-47-8

WD40 DOES NOT contain kerosene. Just because the Hydrotreated Naptha compounds contain some of the same Cn H2n+2 compounds as kerosene does not make it kerosene. Same goes for Stoddard Solvent which is a defined blend of Cn H2n+2 compounds. Though chemically similar they are not the same. Just because you will find it called by one or the other name on the interweb thingy does not make it so.
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