The REAL answers I would like to post to reloading questions - Page 2

TXGunNut · June 26, 2010, 03:57 PM

Funny stuff but some good points here. No amount of time spent here will give a novice or beginning reloader as much info as a couple of careful readings of a few reloading manuals. I agree w/ Peet that many folks don't get as much from loading manuals as their authors intended and they need our help if they miss something. Some folks just don't have the patience to read a book, they want to make something go BANG. Not sure this is a good game for them.
With all the variables involved in reloading I think anyone who considers himself a reloading expert either has many thousands of hours invested or has learned just enough to be dangerous. I've been bending brass almost thirty years but I learn something every time I spend time here or with a reloading manual. I also recognize the fact that what works for me in my rifles or handguns may not work or may even be dangerous in your firearms, and vice versa.
Posts here are proof that we want to help or need help but a little humor can't hurt now and then.

5R milspec · June 26, 2010, 04:19 PM

I feel the same way.we all need to be as good as we are to or tast of reloading.but asking a question can some time be a hard thing to do.take me I have a hard time with a comouter.about all I can do is check mail and visit my gun/reloading site.even chat on them.but finding info for me can be a large pain in the tail for me.so yes I will say I am one who has asked the same 10000th question before.but still got the answer I wanted to get/hear.so yes I will answer back to something I can answer.

but to add to this.I do love this post and all that has been said.just reminds me of who I used to be.and now find myself wanting to be.yes it does get old to see the same old question come up.thats why I just keep reminding myself of who I used to be. ( a beginer )

keep it comeing guys love the thread.just wanted to add to it.but in a nicer way.

heres one.need a 75gnVLD load for MY 223 rem so what heave ya.answer don't know its not my rifel.

RB98SS · June 26, 2010, 05:03 PM

I'm partial to the threads that are along the line of "What's the best handgun for bear?" You always get some reply like "Whatever fits in his paw the best", or "Whatever he can shoot accurately from his paw" It always makes me chuckle.

MW surveyor · June 26, 2010, 05:33 PM

Just want to say that I'm only 30 days into reloading and can see the humor in these posts. Even I newbie that I am to reloading can appreciate some of the answers that you more experienced people want to give. Especially the "see the stickey" and post #4.

wncchester · June 26, 2010, 05:44 PM

"...Kodiakbeer after reading your last post, YOU DA MAN."

Agreed. I bow to the (half) wit master's classic #24!

William T. Watts · June 26, 2010, 05:46 PM

You wouldn't see these type questions if the newby's would purchase several reloading manuals (two or more) such as the ABC'S of reloading or Hornadys or Sierra or Hodgdons etc etc and actually read them from cover to cover. If by chance they didn't understand what is the meaning of a word look it up in the glossary for a explaination. I have never seen anyone blow a firearm up yet, but some of the posts I have seen make me think it's only a matter of time before that happens. Modern firearms have a built in/engineered margin of safety that prevents folks from suffering the consequences of doing things they have no business doing!! I've tried to be gentle with this post but I must admit its been difficult! William

wncchester · June 26, 2010, 05:52 PM

William, you are right. You would be right if they only bought ONE and read only a few pages in it. And that doesn't only apply to noobs, seems a lot of guys with huge post numbers don't know much about guns, shooting or reloading. And, sometimes, a lot of what they do 'know' is wrong!

Anyway, it's been fun to do this for once. Guess we should stop now, I think the classroom monitor is taking names.

GeorgeSr · June 26, 2010, 06:13 PM

My all time favorite is my rifle will just about shoot a minute of angle 5- shot groups what is the matter with my loads?Answer Nothing what so ever.

HeroHog · June 26, 2010, 06:21 PM

Quote:

"How hot can I load XXX rounds?" Keep increasing powder until your gun blows up; then back it down 0.5 gr.

Being the smarty I am, I had an Engineer give me a similar answer when I asked him how much torque to put on a head bolt of a V-12 GMC Diesel I was working on as a young sailor. He said "crank her down till she snaps and spins freely then back her off a round!" I took this as a challenge and I managed to twist off the top of the stud accompanied by a very loud "Crack...Ping! clatter" as steel snapped and tools flew about from the sudden loss of tension. The silence that followed was broken by me yelling up to the Engineer "What was that second step?"

Yes, I had to tear the head back off and replace the stud by myself with no breaks but it was worth it!

THAT is why this thread is funny!

Sevens · June 26, 2010, 06:54 PM

I get what Peetza is trying to say but it seems quite a bit out of place in this thread. It's not like someone is bagging on new guys with newbie questions -- the entire thread is supposed to be humorous. No newbies are getting told to buy a book and get the hell out of here... newbies get helped every day.

The other thing I like about this thread is hearing some humor from wncchester 'cause he's usually so serious and even a little annoyed in a lot of the threads we see him in.

In fact, the best line from this thread is completely uncontested. Post #4 seems to be getting a lot of votes, but it doesn't even approach this gem:

Quote:

"What's a good mid-range load for me?" Five pounds of dry beans.

William T. Watts · June 26, 2010, 08:17 PM

When I began reloading 45 years ago there was no help, there were only a few reloading manuals available (Hodgdon #6 was my first) I still have this manual to this day. Writers like Jack O'Connor, Elmer Keith, or P.O.Ackley (Master Gunsmith who started the Gunsmith program at Trinidad St.Jr. College), there are others that come to mind like Col. Townsend Whelen or Julian Hatcher (wrote Hatchers Notebook). These are the people that I read everything I could get my hands on, my point there were no safety nets to keep us from doing something stupid. Much of loading ammunition is common sense and follow a routine that we don't deviate from, and yes I do think that people that are starting to load ammunition aren't doing the things they need to do to be safe. My first advice to anyone who wishes to join our fraternity should spend the time to at least become familar with the basic terms we use to describe what we will be doing, when a reloading manual says this is the starting load that is exactly where they should start. I've never written anything like this before but have thought about this subject countless time. Further I've never pierced a primer nor had a primer blown, additionally I've never had a case separation nor a squib load nor fired a round without powder. FWIW I just encounter a very soft lot of Winchester LR primers, if I had not followed proper loading procedures I could potentially have caused myself a good bit of trouble. These primers were flattening on starting loads, I was working up a load for a 308Win, nothing bad happened, they will now be fired in a 30/30. End of story! William

Don P · June 26, 2010, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Why someone would take up re-loading without ever having read their reloading manual is beyond me.

Its just the same as putting the swing set together or assembly required toys with out first reading the directions ( cause we are all macho men) don't need no stinkin directions. Wing it

J.T. · June 26, 2010, 08:55 PM

Jim243............
The purpose of this and other gun boards is for the exchange of information and ideas-maybe even a little camaraderie. If you don't know the answer to a question or deem a question unworthy of an answer, then don't answer it . You don't even have to read it! My wife asked a legitimate question /conversation starter and the best you can do is start a thread to try and belittle new people with "silly" questions. I am very proud of her and her interest in reloading. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Sarge · June 26, 2010, 09:33 PM

Things are so much better for new reloaders than they were for me, when I started in the early 70's, that there is no comparison. We didn't have a gun store within an hour's drive that even sold reloading manuals and getting components often involved 3-4 guys making the drive together, to stock up.

I bugged the librarian to order books on the topic, borrowed whatever manuals I could, and eventually purchased a few of my own. You had to know people to get in on those safaris. American Rifleman & the other major gun rags were other good sources of data and fortunately a number of my Dad's friends were eager to share. My advice to new reloaders is simple:

1. Load only form data published by component manufacturers, major firearms publications and in some cases, the purveyors of custom firearms. If you're reading this, the information is available. A single excellent source is Hodgdons Database.

2. Never load heavier than the above data recommends. Start on the low end of the recommended range and work up. STOP as soon as you reach a workable load for your purposes. Velocity isn't everything.

3. Pay close attention to each step of the reloading process, until doing this is second nature. Visually inspect each powder charge and confirm that it looks right before you seat a bullet.

4. Never have more than one can of powder on your bench at a time and never change loads until any unused powder is dumped back in that can. Store your powder far enough away that you have to get up to go get it.

5. If anything doesn't look or 'feel' right, stop and back away from it. Read, ask questions, confirm the load or procedure before going on.

And seriously... read up on what you're doing before you get on the internet and ask questions. This is more for your safety than it is to avoid annoying old cranks like myself. All it takes is a typo to make a safe load into a dangerous one. Always confirm any load from an internet poster, with another source.

Book recommendation: Metallic Cartridge Reloading plus all the free ones at your local gun pusher.

Stay safe. Have fun. The two are not mutually exclusive.

grubbylabs · June 26, 2010, 10:25 PM

HeroHog that was funny. I bet it was worth every miserable minute of it. I hate care engineers I think they should have to work in a general repair shop for a few years before they can design and build a car.

I hope we can here some more "real" answers cause you all are funny

zxcvbob · June 26, 2010, 10:45 PM

Quote:

"I've been reloading for 10 years and want to cut back on my inventory. I load 9mm and .44 mag in handguns, .223 and .300 WM in rifle and 12 ga. shotgun. What single powder can I use in all of them?"

Unique and Red Dot will work in all of those. You may not like the pitiful muzzle velocities in the rifle and .44 Mag loads (especially with Red Dot), but they will be accurate as all get-out (especially with Red Dot.)

animal · June 26, 2010, 11:24 PM

Cool zxcvbob, I was thinkin’ Unique would do it, but was too lazy to look stuff up. I used to love Unique because of doing a lot of shotshell and pistol rounds… (and I actually ENJOY cleaning guns - the combination of Alox lube and Unique seemed to really grub up the works). Got some REALLY accurate pistol loads outta the stuff.

not as good as you guys have come up with but here's a couple ...

Q : What’s the best press for speed in reloading and producing accurate rounds ?

A : Well, do you want a quick answer or an accurate one ?

Q : What’s the best XXX for me ?

A: I dunno, come on over to the house for a bull session, we can get to know each other, go shooting, do some reloading, talk about everything in general and in particular …. and after 20 years or so, I might be able to make a good guess.

Sarge · June 26, 2010, 11:43 PM

On the comic side of this topic, I would be remiss if I didn't mention that epic gunwriter Skeeter Skelton dreamed up a fictional character named Jug Johnson, who then featured prominently in several articles satirizing (I suspect) the crazy questions Shooting Times had received from actual readers.

Quote:

But that ain't why I'm writin' to you. It's about these guns. There must be 40 of them. While my heifers are out there just makin' me money, I'm goin' to have lots of time to shoot. I got Rat's reloadin' machine--it's a Pacific or RCBS or C&H or Star or one of them.

I been readin' pieces about loadin' shells and I reckon I can do that. But I want you to tell me what to put in the shells. I got bullet casters and it looks like everything else.

I don't want to bother you too much, so let's start with just a few like the two kinds of .45, .44 Magna, .41 Magna, .357 Magna, .41 Long, .38 WCF (what does that mean?), .455, .38 S&W, .32 WCF (don't know what that means, either), .38 Special, .38 Super, .380, .32 ACP (?), .22 Magna, and .22 Long Rifle. Can you use rifle shells in the .22 pistol?

The Jug Johnson Saga

Bamashooter · June 27, 2010, 02:34 AM

kodiakbeer thats the funniest **** ive ever heard!!!

but seriously, i remember when i first started wanting to reload i read everything i could get my hands on. oh yeah, i was ready to go. then i got all the stuff to start and just let it set there becouse i was afraid i would kill myself with my own reloads. then i worked up the nerve to give it a try and all those questions started answering themselves. when i carried my first ever reloads to shoot i was sweating like obama at a tea party. then BOOOOOOOMMM!!!! ( 30-06) 1'' groups. i was alive and my reloads were fine.

i was proud of what i had accomplished. i was glad i did all that reading. i am still appreciative of what ive learned from alot of you guys. i will always be glad to help someone when they need it, especially a new guy.

this is a cool thread. im glad most of you guys have a sense of humor.

brotus2 · June 27, 2010, 02:42 AM

Got to go with pizzakilla. I don't mind a newb asking the same questions that yesterdays newb asked. If you don't like it, don't read it.

bigshow · June 27, 2010, 07:50 AM

Very funny thread! I am new to reloading and it is still funny. But I must say that I have read the lee,hornady,nosler manual cover to cover and did alot of surfing on the net before I started! Got back from the range yesterday from firing our first rounds and I am very pleased with most of the loads we (me and my 12 year old son ) worked up,7mm r-mag shot very good 338RUM shot very good 30-30 kind of sucked, but we will keep working on it ( reading more ) ! The info is out there! So again I am new to reloading and I think this thread is very funny so if your reading this thread and are feeling offended go and read lots of other threads and manuals then come back to this thread and you to will think that this thread is funny! KEEP IT COMING GUYS

bigshow · June 27, 2010, 07:56 AM

Very funny thread! I am new to reloading and it is still funny. But I must say that I have read the lee,hornady,nosler manual cover to cover and did alot of surfing on the net before I started! Got back from the range yesterday from firing our first rounds and I am very pleased with most of the loads we (me and my 12 year old son ) worked up,7mm r-mag shot very good 338RUM shot very good 30-30 kind of sucked, but we will keep working on it ( reading more ) ! The info is out there! So again I am new to reloading and I think this thread is very funny so if your reading this thread and are feeling offended go and read lots of other threads and manuals then come back to this thread and you to will think that this thread is funny! KEEP IT COMING GUYS

TXGunNut · June 27, 2010, 08:31 AM

Welcome to the asylum, bigshow! Glad those first loads worked out well. All kidding aside, if you have a question that you haven't found the answer to somebody here has run into the same issue and will help you, just like he did for the other newbie last week. Good move on the reading and caution, that will serve you and the guy shooting next to you well. Something to think about when the guy next to you is your own son.

wncchester · June 27, 2010, 09:08 AM

"Got to go with pizzakilla. I don't mind a newb asking the same questions that yesterdays newb asked. If you don't like it, don't read it. "

Brotus, I think you miss the point of our chuckles here. It isn't that the questions are asked repeatedly, it's the pure mindlessness of the questions we're refering to! Reloading is NOT a game for mindless people, better they should chase other guy's wives, it would be safer!

Sevens #35: "..wncchester 'cause he's usually so serious and even a little annoyed.."

Oops. Guess that's true. Sorry I let it show tho. But what bothers me is some of the mindless answers, not the questions! Oh well,...?

Headgear · June 27, 2010, 10:05 AM

I'm kind of split on this thread as well. I think it would be a lot more ethical to go back through our own posting history and laugh at our own mindless posts than repost someone else's and possibly turn them away. On the other side of the coin, I have read some over the top posts that were so full of technical information that I have to wonder if the point was to impress others with how much we know or to be a help to others. A wise man can share very technical information while putting into everyday terms and not talking down or being arrogant. Unclenick comes to mind.

In defense of the what can appear to be a mindless question, I have been so busy that I haven't been able to pull a trigger or a press handle in a couple of months. I still read this site every morning for an hour or so because I love it. I may ask a question and have know time or desire to do anything with it other than satisfy a curiosity. Should I have run to my manuals to get the answer so as not to look mindless or too lazy to find the answer myself? Maybe. If I go to the manual I'm going to get one point of view, here we get many. A quick simple or mindless question may not be what it appears.

I have been a member of this forum for a couple of years and in that short period I have seen some posts that make you wonder if this is a good interest for them to pursue. I'm just not so sure that getting a laugh at their expense is best way to go.

I don't mean to sound like a bleeding heart but once in a while we all spend some time on the inside of the proverbial glass house.

I am glad that most of the time we are more helpful and don't say what we would like to. If we made a habit of that none of us would stay married for very long.

June 26, 2010, 05:33 PM	#29
MW surveyor Senior Member Join Date: May 20, 2010 Posts: 212	New to reloading and like these posts Just want to say that I'm only 30 days into reloading and can see the humor in these posts. Even I newbie that I am to reloading can appreciate some of the answers that you more experienced people want to give. Especially the "see the stickey" and post #4.

June 26, 2010, 05:46 PM	#31
William T. Watts Senior Member Join Date: January 20, 2010 Location: Central Arkansas Posts: 1,074	The REAL answers I would like to post to reloading questions You wouldn't see these type questions if the newby's would purchase several reloading manuals (two or more) such as the ABC'S of reloading or Hornadys or Sierra or Hodgdons etc etc and actually read them from cover to cover. If by chance they didn't understand what is the meaning of a word look it up in the glossary for a explaination. I have never seen anyone blow a firearm up yet, but some of the posts I have seen make me think it's only a matter of time before that happens. Modern firearms have a built in/engineered margin of safety that prevents folks from suffering the consequences of doing things they have no business doing!! I've tried to be gentle with this post but I must admit its been difficult! William

June 26, 2010, 06:13 PM	#33
GeorgeSr Member Join Date: May 4, 2010 Posts: 20	Real Answers to eloading Problems My all time favorite is my rifle will just about shoot a minute of angle 5- shot groups what is the matter with my loads?Answer Nothing what so ever.

June 26, 2010, 08:17 PM	#36
William T. Watts Senior Member Join Date: January 20, 2010 Location: Central Arkansas Posts: 1,074	The REAL answers I would like to post to reloading questions When I began reloading 45 years ago there was no help, there were only a few reloading manuals available (Hodgdon #6 was my first) I still have this manual to this day. Writers like Jack O'Connor, Elmer Keith, or P.O.Ackley (Master Gunsmith who started the Gunsmith program at Trinidad St.Jr. College), there are others that come to mind like Col. Townsend Whelen or Julian Hatcher (wrote Hatchers Notebook). These are the people that I read everything I could get my hands on, my point there were no safety nets to keep us from doing something stupid. Much of loading ammunition is common sense and follow a routine that we don't deviate from, and yes I do think that people that are starting to load ammunition aren't doing the things they need to do to be safe. My first advice to anyone who wishes to join our fraternity should spend the time to at least become familar with the basic terms we use to describe what we will be doing, when a reloading manual says this is the starting load that is exactly where they should start. I've never written anything like this before but have thought about this subject countless time. Further I've never pierced a primer nor had a primer blown, additionally I've never had a case separation nor a squib load nor fired a round without powder. FWIW I just encounter a very soft lot of Winchester LR primers, if I had not followed proper loading procedures I could potentially have caused myself a good bit of trouble. These primers were flattening on starting loads, I was working up a load for a 308Win, nothing bad happened, they will now be fired in a 30/30. End of story! William

June 26, 2010, 09:33 PM	#39
Sarge Senior Member Join Date: May 12, 2002 Location: MO Posts: 5,494	Things are so much better for new reloaders than they were for me, when I started in the early 70's, that there is no comparison. We didn't have a gun store within an hour's drive that even sold reloading manuals and getting components often involved 3-4 guys making the drive together, to stock up. I bugged the librarian to order books on the topic, borrowed whatever manuals I could, and eventually purchased a few of my own. You had to know people to get in on those safaris. American Rifleman & the other major gun rags were other good sources of data and fortunately a number of my Dad's friends were eager to share. My advice to new reloaders is simple: 1. Load only form data published by component manufacturers, major firearms publications and in some cases, the purveyors of custom firearms. If you're reading this, the information is available. A single excellent source is Hodgdons Database. 2. Never load heavier than the above data recommends. Start on the low end of the recommended range and work up. STOP as soon as you reach a workable load for your purposes. Velocity isn't everything. 3. Pay close attention to each step of the reloading process, until doing this is second nature. Visually inspect each powder charge and confirm that it looks right before you seat a bullet. 4. Never have more than one can of powder on your bench at a time and never change loads until any unused powder is dumped back in that can. Store your powder far enough away that you have to get up to go get it. 5. If anything doesn't look or 'feel' right, stop and back away from it. Read, ask questions, confirm the load or procedure before going on. And seriously... read up on what you're doing before you get on the internet and ask questions. This is more for your safety than it is to avoid annoying old cranks like myself. All it takes is a typo to make a safe load into a dangerous one. Always confirm any load from an internet poster, with another source. Book recommendation: Metallic Cartridge Reloading plus all the free ones at your local gun pusher. Stay safe. Have fun. The two are not mutually exclusive. __________________ People were smarter before the Internet, or imbeciles were harder to notice.

June 26, 2010, 03:57 PM	#26
TXGunNut Senior Member Join Date: January 16, 2010 Location: If you have to ask... Posts: 2,860	Funny stuff but some good points here. No amount of time spent here will give a novice or beginning reloader as much info as a couple of careful readings of a few reloading manuals. I agree w/ Peet that many folks don't get as much from loading manuals as their authors intended and they need our help if they miss something. Some folks just don't have the patience to read a book, they want to make something go BANG. Not sure this is a good game for them. With all the variables involved in reloading I think anyone who considers himself a reloading expert either has many thousands of hours invested or has learned just enough to be dangerous. I've been bending brass almost thirty years but I learn something every time I spend time here or with a reloading manual. I also recognize the fact that what works for me in my rifles or handguns may not work or may even be dangerous in your firearms, and vice versa. Posts here are proof that we want to help or need help but a little humor can't hurt now and then.

June 26, 2010, 04:19 PM	#27
5R milspec Senior Member Join Date: December 11, 2009 Location: South Carolina Posts: 360	I feel the same way.we all need to be as good as we are to or tast of reloading.but asking a question can some time be a hard thing to do.take me I have a hard time with a comouter.about all I can do is check mail and visit my gun/reloading site.even chat on them.but finding info for me can be a large pain in the tail for me.so yes I will say I am one who has asked the same 10000th question before.but still got the answer I wanted to get/hear.so yes I will answer back to something I can answer. but to add to this.I do love this post and all that has been said.just reminds me of who I used to be.and now find myself wanting to be.yes it does get old to see the same old question come up.thats why I just keep reminding myself of who I used to be. ( a beginer ) keep it comeing guys love the thread.just wanted to add to it.but in a nicer way. heres one.need a 75gnVLD load for MY 223 rem so what heave ya.answer don't know its not my rifel.

June 26, 2010, 05:03 PM	#28
RB98SS Senior Member Join Date: February 16, 2007 Location: Shoreview, MN Posts: 104	I'm partial to the threads that are along the line of "What's the best handgun for bear?" You always get some reply like "Whatever fits in his paw the best", or "Whatever he can shoot accurately from his paw" It always makes me chuckle.

June 26, 2010, 05:44 PM	#30
wncchester Senior Member Join Date: December 1, 2002 Posts: 2,832	"...Kodiakbeer after reading your last post, YOU DA MAN." Agreed. I bow to the (half) wit master's classic #24!

June 26, 2010, 05:52 PM	#32
wncchester Senior Member Join Date: December 1, 2002 Posts: 2,832	William, you are right. You would be right if they only bought ONE and read only a few pages in it. And that doesn't only apply to noobs, seems a lot of guys with huge post numbers don't know much about guns, shooting or reloading. And, sometimes, a lot of what they do 'know' is wrong! Anyway, it's been fun to do this for once. Guess we should stop now, I think the classroom monitor is taking names.

June 26, 2010, 08:55 PM	#38
J.T. Member Join Date: June 7, 2009 Location: Alabama Posts: 44	Jim243............ The purpose of this and other gun boards is for the exchange of information and ideas-maybe even a little camaraderie. If you don't know the answer to a question or deem a question unworthy of an answer, then don't answer it . You don't even have to read it! My wife asked a legitimate question /conversation starter and the best you can do is start a thread to try and belittle new people with "silly" questions. I am very proud of her and her interest in reloading. You should be ashamed of yourself.

June 26, 2010, 10:25 PM	#40
grubbylabs Senior Member Join Date: October 11, 2009 Location: Hansen Idaho Posts: 1,465	HeroHog that was funny. I bet it was worth every miserable minute of it. I hate care engineers I think they should have to work in a general repair shop for a few years before they can design and build a car. I hope we can here some more "real" answers cause you all are funny

June 26, 2010, 11:24 PM	#42
animal Senior Member Join Date: April 28, 2000 Location: Mississippi Posts: 705	Cool zxcvbob, I was thinkin’ Unique would do it, but was too lazy to look stuff up. I used to love Unique because of doing a lot of shotshell and pistol rounds… (and I actually ENJOY cleaning guns - the combination of Alox lube and Unique seemed to really grub up the works). Got some REALLY accurate pistol loads outta the stuff. not as good as you guys have come up with but here's a couple ... Q : What’s the best press for speed in reloading and producing accurate rounds ? A : Well, do you want a quick answer or an accurate one ? Q : What’s the best XXX for me ? A: I dunno, come on over to the house for a bull session, we can get to know each other, go shooting, do some reloading, talk about everything in general and in particular …. and after 20 years or so, I might be able to make a good guess.

June 27, 2010, 02:34 AM	#44
Bamashooter Senior Member Join Date: March 12, 2010 Posts: 1,860	kodiakbeer thats the funniest **** ive ever heard!!! but seriously, i remember when i first started wanting to reload i read everything i could get my hands on. oh yeah, i was ready to go. then i got all the stuff to start and just let it set there becouse i was afraid i would kill myself with my own reloads. then i worked up the nerve to give it a try and all those questions started answering themselves. when i carried my first ever reloads to shoot i was sweating like obama at a tea party. then BOOOOOOOMMM!!!! ( 30-06) 1'' groups. i was alive and my reloads were fine. i was proud of what i had accomplished. i was glad i did all that reading. i am still appreciative of what ive learned from alot of you guys. i will always be glad to help someone when they need it, especially a new guy. this is a cool thread. im glad most of you guys have a sense of humor.

June 27, 2010, 02:42 AM	#45
brotus2 Senior Member Join Date: November 8, 2009 Location: Panama City Beach Posts: 269	Got to go with pizzakilla. I don't mind a newb asking the same questions that yesterdays newb asked. If you don't like it, don't read it.

June 27, 2010, 07:50 AM	#46
bigshow Junior Member Join Date: June 23, 2010 Location: MEDFORD,MINNESOTA Posts: 5	Very funny thread! I am new to reloading and it is still funny. But I must say that I have read the lee,hornady,nosler manual cover to cover and did alot of surfing on the net before I started! Got back from the range yesterday from firing our first rounds and I am very pleased with most of the loads we (me and my 12 year old son ) worked up,7mm r-mag shot very good 338RUM shot very good 30-30 kind of sucked, but we will keep working on it ( reading more ) ! The info is out there! So again I am new to reloading and I think this thread is very funny so if your reading this thread and are feeling offended go and read lots of other threads and manuals then come back to this thread and you to will think that this thread is funny! KEEP IT COMING GUYS

June 27, 2010, 07:56 AM	#47
bigshow Junior Member Join Date: June 23, 2010 Location: MEDFORD,MINNESOTA Posts: 5	Very funny thread! I am new to reloading and it is still funny. But I must say that I have read the lee,hornady,nosler manual cover to cover and did alot of surfing on the net before I started! Got back from the range yesterday from firing our first rounds and I am very pleased with most of the loads we (me and my 12 year old son ) worked up,7mm r-mag shot very good 338RUM shot very good 30-30 kind of sucked, but we will keep working on it ( reading more ) ! The info is out there! So again I am new to reloading and I think this thread is very funny so if your reading this thread and are feeling offended go and read lots of other threads and manuals then come back to this thread and you to will think that this thread is funny! KEEP IT COMING GUYS

June 27, 2010, 08:31 AM	#48
TXGunNut Senior Member Join Date: January 16, 2010 Location: If you have to ask... Posts: 2,860	Welcome to the asylum, bigshow! Glad those first loads worked out well. All kidding aside, if you have a question that you haven't found the answer to somebody here has run into the same issue and will help you, just like he did for the other newbie last week. Good move on the reading and caution, that will serve you and the guy shooting next to you well. Something to think about when the guy next to you is your own son.

June 27, 2010, 09:08 AM	#49
wncchester Senior Member Join Date: December 1, 2002 Posts: 2,832	"Got to go with pizzakilla. I don't mind a newb asking the same questions that yesterdays newb asked. If you don't like it, don't read it. " Brotus, I think you miss the point of our chuckles here. It isn't that the questions are asked repeatedly, it's the pure mindlessness of the questions we're refering to! Reloading is NOT a game for mindless people, better they should chase other guy's wives, it would be safer! Sevens #35: "..wncchester 'cause he's usually so serious and even a little annoyed.." Oops. Guess that's true. Sorry I let it show tho. But what bothers me is some of the mindless answers, not the questions! Oh well,...? Last edited by wncchester; June 27, 2010 at 02:21 PM.

June 27, 2010, 10:05 AM	#50
Headgear Senior Member Join Date: December 1, 2008 Location: Southeast, IN Posts: 123	I'm kind of split on this thread as well. I think it would be a lot more ethical to go back through our own posting history and laugh at our own mindless posts than repost someone else's and possibly turn them away. On the other side of the coin, I have read some over the top posts that were so full of technical information that I have to wonder if the point was to impress others with how much we know or to be a help to others. A wise man can share very technical information while putting into everyday terms and not talking down or being arrogant. Unclenick comes to mind. In defense of the what can appear to be a mindless question, I have been so busy that I haven't been able to pull a trigger or a press handle in a couple of months. I still read this site every morning for an hour or so because I love it. I may ask a question and have know time or desire to do anything with it other than satisfy a curiosity. Should I have run to my manuals to get the answer so as not to look mindless or too lazy to find the answer myself? Maybe. If I go to the manual I'm going to get one point of view, here we get many. A quick simple or mindless question may not be what it appears. I have been a member of this forum for a couple of years and in that short period I have seen some posts that make you wonder if this is a good interest for them to pursue. I'm just not so sure that getting a laugh at their expense is best way to go. I don't mean to sound like a bleeding heart but once in a while we all spend some time on the inside of the proverbial glass house. I am glad that most of the time we are more helpful and don't say what we would like to. If we made a habit of that none of us would stay married for very long.