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tackdriver · May 11, 2000, 06:08 PM

When I lived in the freshman dorm here at school a guy stuck a fire extinguisher in the microwave. A friend found it and unplugged the microwave before it went off. The fire dept said that it could have taken off the entire corner of the building.

Coinneach · May 11, 2000, 06:11 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Mal H:
the only living things left after an all out nuclear war will be cockroaches and Keith Richards. [/quote]

Mal, you're 100% correct: NOTHING can kill Keith Richards.

DC · May 11, 2000, 06:20 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by buzz_knox:
I once stripped the insulation off an extension cord, wrapped the bare wire around a .22 LR and plugged it in (while lying behind a pile of bricks). The result: VERY loud explosion, blue flames about 15 feet tall, a complete absence of any casing fragments, and one burnt wall receptacle.

Hey, I was young, stupid, and trying to figure out how to make a detonator.[/quote]

I got the exact same effects when I wired up a 6 volt toy car motor and plugged it in the wall...except the 15 ft flame was a really cool purple

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Jon K · May 11, 2000, 06:35 PM

And I thought that I had too much time on my hands. Great fun thread-John K

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Munro Williams · May 11, 2000, 10:06 PM

Something tells me that a link to "Unwise Microwave Oven Experiments" is appropriate:
http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/weird/microexp.html

Enjoy!

labgrade · May 12, 2000, 12:00 AM

Back in the days before I actually blew myself up

, we did stick an icepick into the powder section of a loaded shotgun shell. A suitable length of 3/32" cannon fuse was inserted, lit & walked away from.

The resulting "nothing" was pretty much that.

No compression chamber = no contained/directed anything.

The shot kinda stood still (as it was the heaviest mass - although it did go a few feet under not much velocity) & the shell flew about 20 feet.

Nothing you'd do in your pocket but doubtful that it would have any effect other than to (perhaps) dent the MV interior (if that would even set it off).

Published results of various rounds being cooked off due to fires (a firemans' thing, for obvious reasons) showed that nothing really happens other than "pops," etc. and the case itself (being lighter than the opposite mass) usually goes further than does the "bullet" itself.

A chambered round is most obviously a whole 'nother matter as it is contained and channeled = a cook-off is just as "much" as if fired from a standard trigger pull in a firearm.

C.R.Sam · May 12, 2000, 01:20 AM

Munro......that is a kool site.

I have three microwave ovens. One of them still works but has some interesting scars.

All the ones I have had were fan ventilated, they don't seem to hold much pressure. Made a real pretty jacobs ladder with two wooden dowels soaked in chlorine bleach then stood them in the oven in an upright vee pattern. The corona around each dowell was augmented by the lateral arc moving up and down between the sticks....beautiful.

Rumor has it that microwave is not a real good way to dry freshly washed brass, lots of pretty arcing tween the necks and altered structure in the brass.

Cooked off paper hull shotshells don't do much but you will have the problem of burning cases smoking up the place.

If you get a fire goin in one, don't open the door, turn it off and the fire should oxygen starve.

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Munro Williams · May 12, 2000, 02:23 AM

"Fun With Grapes" sounds like extremely cheap thrills for those rainy days:
http://www.sci.tamucc.edu/~pmichaud/grape

Scare your cat! Amaze your dog!

Don Gwinn · May 12, 2000, 07:02 AM

CD's are pretty impressive in old microwaves. I discovered this quite by accident when a friend got a little tipsy and couldn't beat Street Fighter EX on his playstation--to him, it seemed the obvious solution was to nuke the game CD as an example to the others not to get uppity.
We've been nuking old CD-ROMs every once in awhile ever since.

I do have another friend who claims he used to put .22 rounds in a vice, with the primer pointing up and just the bullet itself in the jaws, and then whack it sideways with a hammer. Said it was kind of neat but it was dumb luck whether it would ignite since you'd knock the case off the bullet and the powder was down against the bullet itself. I say "dumb" is the operative word....

VictorLouis · May 12, 2000, 03:11 PM

Didn't Gen. Hatcher detonate all common service cartridges(of the era) inside of a pine box with one inch walls? Nothing, incl. the .50 cal. pentrated through.

radom · May 12, 2000, 03:19 PM

Nothing like the resulting damage if the wife caught me putting anything like that in her microwave.

: ouch to the max.

She is still peved about the mags I baked in her oven after refinishig them.

Shok · May 12, 2000, 03:26 PM

I believe if you surround metal with material that doesn't reflect microwaves back into the feed horn butt obsorbs them you could eliminate possible magnatron damage. This would not inhibite desired effects since microwaves cook from the middle. Therefore I recommend to insert one live round into rear of cat, dead or alive. Then microwave till detonation.

Shok

Kframe · May 12, 2000, 10:52 PM

Try this (I'm serious, it's really cool and won't hurt anyone).

Materials:
2 Forks
1 Pickle
Old lamp cord with plug still attached.

Stick one fork into each end of the pickle.
Then attach the wire to each fork.
Lay the pickle on a concrete floor or other dry, non-conductive surface.
Then, plug it into 110AC.
Stand back a couple feet.

Do this outside, or in the garage.
Why? Cause it stinks, ALOT.

What does it do?
The pickle begins to fizz and steam, and in a little while it will begin to glow orange.

My physics teacher in HS showed us that.
Then, for extra credit I made an electric chair (about 10 inches tall) and dressed up a pickle in dolls clothing.
I brought it in and executed the prisoner.

Fun stuff!

-Kframe

Kevlarman · May 13, 2000, 01:27 AM

My HS chemistry teacher showed us the glowing pickle trick. Except he made us sign a contract saying that we would never, ever attempt this experiment unsupervised.

Dakotan · May 13, 2000, 04:11 PM

It would be bad. If you're a little "fuzzy" on the whole good/bad thing........

No one's gonna get this one but me!
Dakotan

Schmit · May 13, 2000, 04:37 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by 45King:
Geez, if I had the equipment, I know a place I could go and do this, and I'd like to see it done (from a safe distance, of course.)[/quote]

RAJ - I've got all the needed equipment cept the Microwave!

Being from the big city why don't you check out some pawn shops on you jaunts around town. Find a microwave for a fairly cheap price and we'll have at it when you come up.

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TexasRusty · May 13, 2000, 04:37 PM

That's easy. Ghostbusters.

Crossing the streams would be bad.

Ok I am a little fuzzy on this whole good/bad thing.

Imagine all life ceasing to exist.....

I am not sure this is exact but it is close and I know its the correct movie.

AMHsix · May 13, 2000, 04:57 PM

I'd bet it would go off. Don't use a rotating plate one, that way you can sort of direct the bullets path.

I do know an egg will explode(covering the entire interior with cooked egg) in a few minutes on high. If you're gonna do it, do it in an "enemies" microwave.

FYI - cockroaches do die if microwaved. Someone told me they didn't, we just had to find out.

Mike H · May 14, 2000, 06:23 PM

ok, you want the ultimate in psycho experiments.

My seniors Physics high school teacher told us this story from his university days waaaaay back when. His university lecturer in advanced physics had an experiment constructed to demonstrate that fissionable material, in this case reactor grade Uranium would became strongly attracted to another mass of Uranium especially if the 2 halves approached critical mass. A rig was constructed using 2 hemi-spheres of U-235 (I think) that were themselves attached to powerful retaining springs, there was said to be sufficient mass of the 2 combined spheres to create a critical mass. Anyways after several succesful demonstrations of the 2 halves stretching the springs in an attempt to come into contact with each other, they finally managed it. They immediately began to heat up and showed signs of melting despite the best efforts of the tutor to separate them, he eventually managed it by pulling them apart with his bare hands in a moment of sheer panic. He was said to have lasted for 2 weeks before succuming to radiation poisoning. I have never been able to verify this story but it has never been far from my mind these last 20 years.

Mike H

Allen_Raiford · May 14, 2000, 06:57 PM

I seem to recall from my days in college, learning all about radiation and such that microwaves react with water and metal molecules. With water, the temperature reaches the point at which steam is created.
With metals, the temperature rises to infinity.

**Mal H** · May 14, 2000, 09:30 PM

Mike H, that story is true but it didn't happen at a university, it happened at the Los Alamos lab during research for the Trinity project. The physicist's first name was Michael, but for the life of me I can't remember his last name. Maybe it'll come to me later. Too much radiation for me also during the formative years, I guess.

Kframe · May 14, 2000, 10:29 PM

I remember watching Newton's Apple a decade or so ago, and saw something really cool.
They had a steel ball (4" dia) that had a 1.5" hollow inside, and there was a .75" threaded hole in the side.
They filled the ball with water, screwed in a steel plug, and dropped it into a pail of liquid nitrogen.
(Which was inside a plexiglas box)
In a few seconds there was a big explosion.

Water expands when it freezes.
It has lots of power, and obviously was not contained by the steel.
-Kframe

chink · May 14, 2000, 10:44 PM

I think someone wrote this, but I'll say it again. Microwaves (MW)work by exciting molecules, water molecules specifically. If you take something that doesn' have any water in it, like Sugar, and microwave, the end result is the same sugar you put in. depending on the climate you live in, the plate you put it on may not even get warm. so, the power will not heat up, assuming it isn't wet or something and the primer is mechanically activated (needs to be hit by something.) so it shouldn't go off in the MW.

but, the casing and if you are using a jacket round, that jacketing also will produce sparks. lots of them. like RAE said. lots and lots of sparks.

There are 2 things stopping me from trying this at home is
1) my IQ. It is somewhere above 55
2) i don't have a MW that I can use for the test

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tuc22 · May 14, 2000, 11:01 PM

Maybe just the primer as a test?

Schmit · May 15, 2000, 06:43 AM

If 45King can find a cheap MW we'll be testing in the following order...

Primer

Powder

Live Round (.308 lying down, and just to make it interesting a .454 Casull standing up at the same time)

Guess my IQ is < Chink's!

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"Si vis Pacem Para Bellum"

May 11, 2000, 06:11 PM	#27
Coinneach Staff Alumnus Join Date: February 23, 1999 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 4,272	<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mal H: the only living things left after an all out nuclear war will be cockroaches and Keith Richards. [/quote] Mal, you're 100% correct: NOTHING can kill Keith Richards.

May 11, 2000, 06:20 PM	#28
DC Moderator Emeritus Join Date: October 1, 1998 Location: Calif Posts: 4,229	<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by buzz_knox: I once stripped the insulation off an extension cord, wrapped the bare wire around a .22 LR and plugged it in (while lying behind a pile of bricks). The result: VERY loud explosion, blue flames about 15 feet tall, a complete absence of any casing fragments, and one burnt wall receptacle. Hey, I was young, stupid, and trying to figure out how to make a detonator.[/quote] I got the exact same effects when I wired up a 6 volt toy car motor and plugged it in the wall...except the 15 ft flame was a really cool purple ------------------ "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" RKBA!

May 13, 2000, 04:37 PM	#41
Schmit Staff Alumnus Join Date: March 11, 1999 Location: Masquito infested flatlands of Posts: 1,857	<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 45King: Geez, if I had the equipment, I know a place I could go and do this, and I'd like to see it done (from a safe distance, of course.)[/quote] RAJ - I've got all the needed equipment cept the Microwave! Being from the big city why don't you check out some pawn shops on you jaunts around town. Find a microwave for a fairly cheap price and we'll have at it when you come up. ------------------ Schmit GySgt, USMC(Ret) NRA Life, Lodge 1201-UOSSS "Si vis Pacem Para Bellum"

May 11, 2000, 06:08 PM	#26
tackdriver Senior Member Join Date: February 5, 2000 Location: Bedford County, Virginia Posts: 505	When I lived in the freshman dorm here at school a guy stuck a fire extinguisher in the microwave. A friend found it and unplugged the microwave before it went off. The fire dept said that it could have taken off the entire corner of the building.

May 11, 2000, 06:35 PM	#29
Jon K Member Join Date: April 21, 2000 Location: Driggs, Idaho Posts: 74	And I thought that I had too much time on my hands. Great fun thread-John K ------------------ NRA MEMBER? GREAT, NOW JOIN GUN OWNERS OF AMERICA

May 11, 2000, 10:06 PM	#30
Munro Williams Senior Member Join Date: January 13, 2000 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 936	Something tells me that a link to "Unwise Microwave Oven Experiments" is appropriate: http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/weird/microexp.html Enjoy!

May 12, 2000, 12:00 AM	#31
labgrade Member In Memoriam Join Date: November 29, 1999 Location: west of a small town, CO Posts: 4,346	Back in the days before I actually blew myself up , we did stick an icepick into the powder section of a loaded shotgun shell. A suitable length of 3/32" cannon fuse was inserted, lit & walked away from. The resulting "nothing" was pretty much that. No compression chamber = no contained/directed anything. The shot kinda stood still (as it was the heaviest mass - although it did go a few feet under not much velocity) & the shell flew about 20 feet. Nothing you'd do in your pocket but doubtful that it would have any effect other than to (perhaps) dent the MV interior (if that would even set it off). Published results of various rounds being cooked off due to fires (a firemans' thing, for obvious reasons) showed that nothing really happens other than "pops," etc. and the case itself (being lighter than the opposite mass) usually goes further than does the "bullet" itself. A chambered round is most obviously a whole 'nother matter as it is contained and channeled = a cook-off is just as "much" as if fired from a standard trigger pull in a firearm.

May 12, 2000, 01:20 AM	#32
C.R.Sam Senior Member Join Date: October 30, 1999 Location: Dewey, AZ Posts: 12,858	Munro......that is a kool site. I have three microwave ovens. One of them still works but has some interesting scars. All the ones I have had were fan ventilated, they don't seem to hold much pressure. Made a real pretty jacobs ladder with two wooden dowels soaked in chlorine bleach then stood them in the oven in an upright vee pattern. The corona around each dowell was augmented by the lateral arc moving up and down between the sticks....beautiful. Rumor has it that microwave is not a real good way to dry freshly washed brass, lots of pretty arcing tween the necks and altered structure in the brass. Cooked off paper hull shotshells don't do much but you will have the problem of burning cases smoking up the place. If you get a fire goin in one, don't open the door, turn it off and the fire should oxygen starve. ------------------ Sam I am, grn egs n packin Nikita Khrushchev predicted confidently in a speech in Bucharest, Rumania on June 19, 1962 that: " The United States will eventually fly the Communist Red Flag...the American people will hoist it themselves."

May 12, 2000, 02:23 AM	#33
Munro Williams Senior Member Join Date: January 13, 2000 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 936	"Fun With Grapes" sounds like extremely cheap thrills for those rainy days: http://www.sci.tamucc.edu/~pmichaud/grape Scare your cat! Amaze your dog!

May 12, 2000, 07:02 AM	#34
Don Gwinn Staff Emeritus Join Date: March 9, 2000 Location: Virden, IL Posts: 5,917	CD's are pretty impressive in old microwaves. I discovered this quite by accident when a friend got a little tipsy and couldn't beat Street Fighter EX on his playstation--to him, it seemed the obvious solution was to nuke the game CD as an example to the others not to get uppity. We've been nuking old CD-ROMs every once in awhile ever since. I do have another friend who claims he used to put .22 rounds in a vice, with the primer pointing up and just the bullet itself in the jaws, and then whack it sideways with a hammer. Said it was kind of neat but it was dumb luck whether it would ignite since you'd knock the case off the bullet and the powder was down against the bullet itself. I say "dumb" is the operative word....

May 12, 2000, 03:11 PM	#35
VictorLouis Senior Member Join Date: January 12, 2000 Location: Arizona Posts: 2,302	Didn't Gen. Hatcher detonate all common service cartridges(of the era) inside of a pine box with one inch walls? Nothing, incl. the .50 cal. pentrated through.

May 12, 2000, 03:19 PM	#36
radom Senior Member Join Date: January 21, 2000 Posts: 1,379	Nothing like the resulting damage if the wife caught me putting anything like that in her microwave. : ouch to the max. She is still peved about the mags I baked in her oven after refinishig them.

May 12, 2000, 03:26 PM	#37
Shok Senior Member Join Date: January 25, 2000 Location: IOWA USA Posts: 204	I believe if you surround metal with material that doesn't reflect microwaves back into the feed horn butt obsorbs them you could eliminate possible magnatron damage. This would not inhibite desired effects since microwaves cook from the middle. Therefore I recommend to insert one live round into rear of cat, dead or alive. Then microwave till detonation. Shok

May 12, 2000, 10:52 PM	#38
Kframe Senior Member Join Date: July 19, 1999 Location: MN Posts: 640	Try this (I'm serious, it's really cool and won't hurt anyone). Materials: 2 Forks 1 Pickle Old lamp cord with plug still attached. Stick one fork into each end of the pickle. Then attach the wire to each fork. Lay the pickle on a concrete floor or other dry, non-conductive surface. Then, plug it into 110AC. Stand back a couple feet. Do this outside, or in the garage. Why? Cause it stinks, ALOT. What does it do? The pickle begins to fizz and steam, and in a little while it will begin to glow orange. My physics teacher in HS showed us that. Then, for extra credit I made an electric chair (about 10 inches tall) and dressed up a pickle in dolls clothing. I brought it in and executed the prisoner. Fun stuff! -Kframe

May 13, 2000, 01:27 AM	#39
Kevlarman Senior Member Join Date: November 21, 1999 Posts: 131	My HS chemistry teacher showed us the glowing pickle trick. Except he made us sign a contract saying that we would never, ever attempt this experiment unsupervised.

May 13, 2000, 04:11 PM	#40
Dakotan Senior Member Join Date: August 25, 1999 Posts: 174	It would be bad. If you're a little "fuzzy" on the whole good/bad thing........ No one's gonna get this one but me! Dakotan

May 13, 2000, 04:37 PM	#42
TexasRusty Senior Member Join Date: May 10, 2000 Location: Frisco, Texas, Collin Posts: 108	That's easy. Ghostbusters. Crossing the streams would be bad. Ok I am a little fuzzy on this whole good/bad thing. Imagine all life ceasing to exist..... I am not sure this is exact but it is close and I know its the correct movie.

May 13, 2000, 04:57 PM	#43
AMHsix Member Join Date: February 12, 2000 Posts: 74	I'd bet it would go off. Don't use a rotating plate one, that way you can sort of direct the bullets path. I do know an egg will explode(covering the entire interior with cooked egg) in a few minutes on high. If you're gonna do it, do it in an "enemies" microwave. FYI - cockroaches do die if microwaved. Someone told me they didn't, we just had to find out.

May 14, 2000, 06:23 PM	#44
Mike H Senior Member Join Date: August 27, 1999 Posts: 1,159	ok, you want the ultimate in psycho experiments. My seniors Physics high school teacher told us this story from his university days waaaaay back when. His university lecturer in advanced physics had an experiment constructed to demonstrate that fissionable material, in this case reactor grade Uranium would became strongly attracted to another mass of Uranium especially if the 2 halves approached critical mass. A rig was constructed using 2 hemi-spheres of U-235 (I think) that were themselves attached to powerful retaining springs, there was said to be sufficient mass of the 2 combined spheres to create a critical mass. Anyways after several succesful demonstrations of the 2 halves stretching the springs in an attempt to come into contact with each other, they finally managed it. They immediately began to heat up and showed signs of melting despite the best efforts of the tutor to separate them, he eventually managed it by pulling them apart with his bare hands in a moment of sheer panic. He was said to have lasted for 2 weeks before succuming to radiation poisoning. I have never been able to verify this story but it has never been far from my mind these last 20 years. Mike H

May 14, 2000, 06:57 PM	#45
Allen_Raiford Senior Member Join Date: February 12, 2000 Posts: 304	I seem to recall from my days in college, learning all about radiation and such that microwaves react with water and metal molecules. With water, the temperature reaches the point at which steam is created. With metals, the temperature rises to infinity.

May 14, 2000, 09:30 PM	#46
Mal H Staff Join Date: March 20, 1999 Location: Somewhere in the woods of Northern Virginia Posts: 17,067	Mike H, that story is true but it didn't happen at a university, it happened at the Los Alamos lab during research for the Trinity project. The physicist's first name was Michael, but for the life of me I can't remember his last name. Maybe it'll come to me later. Too much radiation for me also during the formative years, I guess.

May 14, 2000, 10:29 PM	#47
Kframe Senior Member Join Date: July 19, 1999 Location: MN Posts: 640	I remember watching Newton's Apple a decade or so ago, and saw something really cool. They had a steel ball (4" dia) that had a 1.5" hollow inside, and there was a .75" threaded hole in the side. They filled the ball with water, screwed in a steel plug, and dropped it into a pail of liquid nitrogen. (Which was inside a plexiglas box) In a few seconds there was a big explosion. Water expands when it freezes. It has lots of power, and obviously was not contained by the steel. -Kframe

May 14, 2000, 10:44 PM	#48
chink Senior Member Join Date: November 11, 1998 Location: saratoga, ca, usa Posts: 806	I think someone wrote this, but I'll say it again. Microwaves (MW)work by exciting molecules, water molecules specifically. If you take something that doesn' have any water in it, like Sugar, and microwave, the end result is the same sugar you put in. depending on the climate you live in, the plate you put it on may not even get warm. so, the power will not heat up, assuming it isn't wet or something and the primer is mechanically activated (needs to be hit by something.) so it shouldn't go off in the MW. but, the casing and if you are using a jacket round, that jacketing also will produce sparks. lots of them. like RAE said. lots and lots of sparks. There are 2 things stopping me from trying this at home is 1) my IQ. It is somewhere above 55 2) i don't have a MW that I can use for the test ------------------ It ain't mah fault. did I do dat? http://yellowman.virtualave.net/

May 14, 2000, 11:01 PM	#49
tuc22 Senior Member Join Date: July 7, 1999 Posts: 367	Maybe just the primer as a test?

May 15, 2000, 06:43 AM	#50
Schmit Staff Alumnus Join Date: March 11, 1999 Location: Masquito infested flatlands of Posts: 1,857	If 45King can find a cheap MW we'll be testing in the following order... Primer Powder Live Round (.308 lying down, and just to make it interesting a .454 Casull standing up at the same time) Guess my IQ is < Chink's! ------------------ Schmit GySgt, USMC(Ret) NRA Life, Lodge 1201-UOSSS "Si vis Pacem Para Bellum"