Someone is lying: Canik TP9SFs are listed as Cerakote over phosphate and nitride

wild cat mccane · May 30, 2019, 08:48 PM

Maker:
https://www.canikarms.com/en/series/tp-series
http://www.canikusa.com/tp9sf-elite/

vs Importer
https://www.centuryarms.com/one-series-tp9sf-elite.html

Someone is lying...

TunnelRat · May 30, 2019, 08:49 PM

Ruh roh.

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lee n. field · May 30, 2019, 09:18 PM

Eh? Two different guns there. "ONE Series" sounds like a limited series budget gun with "black nitride" finish.

TunnelRat · May 30, 2019, 09:19 PM

Didn't Canik just announce a more budget line? Is that the One Series?

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wild cat mccane · May 30, 2019, 09:35 PM

Yep.

And the ONE is the budget line. Which Century Arms is listing with the more expensive nitride finish.

GarandTd · May 30, 2019, 10:13 PM

Different finish, but less goodies in the box.

HiBC · May 31, 2019, 05:45 PM

I have never bothered to look at a Canik. No interest.

A lot of firearm receivers have been made of 8620 alloy steel.I'll use it for an example.It will heat treat to hard enough for guns. ts been used in US military firearms.
There might be a confusion over the word "nitride" A nitride can be a surface finish like the gold colored Titanium Nitride drills and end mills.Very thin and very hard.

There is another form of Nitriding which (forgive me metallurgists) uses a gas or salt bath to surface harden or case harden the steel.This case can easily be .005 or .010 thick.This process would give a hard,slick ,wear resistant case with a tough,ductile core.

It would then make perfect sense to phosphate (Parkerize) the surface for "tooth" that the CerraCoat would adhere.

IMO.the process can make sense with no one lying.It sounds like a way to make a good,functional,old school steel part.

claydoctor · June 1, 2019, 06:45 AM

The good news is, if they're lying and you know they are lying, I think you can shoot 'em.

May 30, 2019, 08:48 PM	#1
wild cat mccane Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2011 Posts: 3,870	Someone is lying: Canik TP9SFs are listed as Cerakote over phosphate and nitride Maker: https://www.canikarms.com/en/series/tp-series http://www.canikusa.com/tp9sf-elite/ vs Importer https://www.centuryarms.com/one-series-tp9sf-elite.html Someone is lying... Last edited by wild cat mccane; May 30, 2019 at 09:36 PM.

May 30, 2019, 09:18 PM	#3
lee n. field Senior Member Join Date: October 12, 2002 Location: The same state as Mordor. Posts: 5,588	Eh? Two different guns there. "ONE Series" sounds like a limited series budget gun with "black nitride" finish. __________________ "As was the man of dust, so also are those who are of the dust, and as is the man of heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the man of heaven. "

May 30, 2019, 10:13 PM	#6
GarandTd Senior Member Join Date: June 15, 2016 Location: Rural PA Posts: 1,639	Different finish, but less goodies in the box. __________________ 22lr, 20 gauge, 8mm Mauser, 35 Remington, 30-06, 5.56x45/223, 9mm, 380acp

May 30, 2019, 08:49 PM	#2
TunnelRat Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2011 Posts: 12,426	Ruh roh. Sent from my Pixel 2 using Tapatalk

May 30, 2019, 09:19 PM	#4
TunnelRat Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2011 Posts: 12,426	Didn't Canik just announce a more budget line? Is that the One Series? Sent from my Pixel 2 using Tapatalk

May 30, 2019, 09:35 PM	#5
wild cat mccane Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2011 Posts: 3,870	Yep. And the ONE is the budget line. Which Century Arms is listing with the more expensive nitride finish.

May 31, 2019, 05:45 PM	#7
HiBC Senior Member Join Date: November 13, 2006 Posts: 8,350	I have never bothered to look at a Canik. No interest. A lot of firearm receivers have been made of 8620 alloy steel.I'll use it for an example.It will heat treat to hard enough for guns. ts been used in US military firearms. There might be a confusion over the word "nitride" A nitride can be a surface finish like the gold colored Titanium Nitride drills and end mills.Very thin and very hard. There is another form of Nitriding which (forgive me metallurgists) uses a gas or salt bath to surface harden or case harden the steel.This case can easily be .005 or .010 thick.This process would give a hard,slick ,wear resistant case with a tough,ductile core. It would then make perfect sense to phosphate (Parkerize) the surface for "tooth" that the CerraCoat would adhere. IMO.the process can make sense with no one lying.It sounds like a way to make a good,functional,old school steel part.

June 1, 2019, 06:45 AM	#8
claydoctor Senior Member Join Date: August 26, 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 450	The good news is, if they're lying and you know they are lying, I think you can shoot 'em.