Where to look for markings...

nemesiss45 · March 15, 2016, 11:45 PM

I have 3 Italian black powder revolvers that I got from my father. I have been trying to identify them, but I cannot seem to find a makers mark.

1 is a 1848 dragoon (I believe) not sure what model.

1 is an 1851 navy

1 is an 1858 Remington

I could be wrong about these, but these are my best guess from looking at examples online.

all the guns have the Italian proof marks and date codes.

the dragoon has nothing else I could find.

the 1851 navy has a mark on the underside of the frame ahead of the brass trigger guard directly adjacent to the proof marks that looks like a Sierpinski triangle (triangle inside a triangle) but that is the only mark I found that I couldn't identify.

the 1851 Remington has "s. marco" on the left side below the cylinder, but I couldn't match that to a company (maybe I am searching the wrong sites)

any advise on where to look for makers marks be appreciated. I'll try to take some pictures tomorrow to post.

Jim Watson · March 15, 2016, 11:49 PM

S. Marco is likely Armi San Marco, an Italian maker now defunct.
I have one of their SAA copies and it is ok.

I can't find anything on the triangle mark.

nemesiss45 · March 16, 2016, 01:25 AM

Here is the triangle marking I mentioned, next to the AU date mark. looks like a faint proof mark between the two

Gavlan · March 16, 2016, 06:53 AM

The pic shows a date code AU which makes it a 1989 manufacture and I believe the faint "triangle" mark is the older ASM logo but not too sure on that one , somebody here knows for sure ..

Hawg · March 16, 2016, 07:14 AM

The triangle does look like an ASM(Armi san Marco)logo.

The S. Marco is ASM and the Dragoon could either be Uberti or ASM as I think they were the only ones making those.

swathdiver · March 16, 2016, 08:15 AM

They are probably all ASMs. You can still get parts for them at Deer Creek Products. They went out of business, likely due to poor quality control. Some guns run great, others are basket cases. I like mine.

nemesiss45 · March 16, 2016, 09:23 AM

Awsome, thanks for the info!

Hawg · March 16, 2016, 02:05 PM

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They went out of business, likely due to poor quality control. Some guns run great, others are basket cases.

They all looked good. Wood to metal fit was good and overall finish was good but some were plagued by soft internal parts that wore out fast. Others would run forever.

nemesiss45 · March 16, 2016, 06:56 PM

I rechecked the guns, and I had the markings on the dragoon mixed up, it is the one with the s.marco, so that is settled.

The last gun is the one I am still not sure about. It's got an overlapping PR and EIE Italy on the base of the grip. I did a quick search, but I'll be searching a lite more.

Hawg · March 16, 2016, 07:56 PM

I don't think anybody knows for sure but the most likely candidate for the PR is Pierino Ruschetta. I have a brass Remington made by them and it's a POS.

nemesiss45 · March 16, 2016, 11:32 PM

thanks. that is about the closest degree of certainty I could find as well. good thing its my least favorite of the bunch.... still a pretty gun though, I like the look of the brass frame.

March 15, 2016, 11:45 PM	#1
nemesiss45 Senior Member Join Date: February 6, 2014 Posts: 526	Where to look for markings... I have 3 Italian black powder revolvers that I got from my father. I have been trying to identify them, but I cannot seem to find a makers mark. 1 is a 1848 dragoon (I believe) not sure what model. 1 is an 1851 navy 1 is an 1858 Remington I could be wrong about these, but these are my best guess from looking at examples online. all the guns have the Italian proof marks and date codes. the dragoon has nothing else I could find. the 1851 navy has a mark on the underside of the frame ahead of the brass trigger guard directly adjacent to the proof marks that looks like a Sierpinski triangle (triangle inside a triangle) but that is the only mark I found that I couldn't identify. the 1851 Remington has "s. marco" on the left side below the cylinder, but I couldn't match that to a company (maybe I am searching the wrong sites) any advise on where to look for makers marks be appreciated. I'll try to take some pictures tomorrow to post.

March 16, 2016, 08:15 AM	#6
swathdiver Senior Member Join Date: December 19, 2012 Location: Treasure Coast, Florida Posts: 335	They are probably all ASMs. You can still get parts for them at Deer Creek Products. They went out of business, likely due to poor quality control. Some guns run great, others are basket cases. I like mine. __________________ “Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.” - Job 38:3

March 15, 2016, 11:49 PM	#2
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 19,175	S. Marco is likely Armi San Marco, an Italian maker now defunct. I have one of their SAA copies and it is ok. I can't find anything on the triangle mark.

March 16, 2016, 01:25 AM	#3
nemesiss45 Senior Member Join Date: February 6, 2014 Posts: 526	Here is the triangle marking I mentioned, next to the AU date mark. looks like a faint proof mark between the two

March 16, 2016, 06:53 AM	#4
Gavlan Senior Member Join Date: September 27, 2015 Posts: 108	The pic shows a date code AU which makes it a 1989 manufacture and I believe the faint "triangle" mark is the older ASM logo but not too sure on that one , somebody here knows for sure ..

March 16, 2016, 07:14 AM	#5
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,380	The triangle does look like an ASM(Armi san Marco)logo. The S. Marco is ASM and the Dragoon could either be Uberti or ASM as I think they were the only ones making those.

March 16, 2016, 09:23 AM	#7
nemesiss45 Senior Member Join Date: February 6, 2014 Posts: 526	Awsome, thanks for the info!

March 16, 2016, 06:56 PM	#9
nemesiss45 Senior Member Join Date: February 6, 2014 Posts: 526	I rechecked the guns, and I had the markings on the dragoon mixed up, it is the one with the s.marco, so that is settled. The last gun is the one I am still not sure about. It's got an overlapping PR and EIE Italy on the base of the grip. I did a quick search, but I'll be searching a lite more.

March 16, 2016, 07:56 PM	#10
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,380	I don't think anybody knows for sure but the most likely candidate for the PR is Pierino Ruschetta. I have a brass Remington made by them and it's a POS.

March 16, 2016, 11:32 PM	#11
nemesiss45 Senior Member Join Date: February 6, 2014 Posts: 526	thanks. that is about the closest degree of certainty I could find as well. good thing its my least favorite of the bunch.... still a pretty gun though, I like the look of the brass frame.