functioning with scope

richrd1 · October 1, 2013, 08:25 AM

I hung a matchdot on a Goldcup now I can not get it to funtion.

with the load I want to use (3.8 H clays 200lswc) and the lightest spring I have, it will not cycle far enough to eject.

if I bump it to 4.3 it will eject but the slide will not go into battery with next round.

where do I go from here?

PetahW · October 1, 2013, 10:37 AM

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Remove the scope...............

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DaleA · October 1, 2013, 10:59 AM

Since I'm loath to put any holes into one of my 1911's I've always thought if I want to go optical on one the Aimpoint Grip Mount would be the way to go. No holes in the slide and the optics don't get battered so much.

http://www.brownells.com/optics-moun...01-63-411.aspx

SauerGrapes · October 1, 2013, 11:16 AM

A friend of mine uses that exact load. {your starting load} I think he uses a 12 or 13 lb spring.
Your going to have to make sure your ammo is sized properly to get the gun to return to battery. Play with the crimp and sizing die. Test your rounds on your chamber using the plunk test. If your ammo is snug, you'll have problems.

He uses only Remington brass because it's a little thinner than most other brands. I think you can get any brass to work, but your ammo has to be spot on.

Hammerhead · October 1, 2013, 11:23 AM

I think you're going to have to use a stronger recoil spring to get the slide moving a little faster on the return to battery.
There should be no reason why you can't use a slide mounted scope on a target 1911, it's been done for years.

richrd1 · October 1, 2013, 08:34 PM

I got a spring kit from Wolfe today. the 4.3 works with the 12 pound spring but even with the 11, the 3.8 malfunctions every third shot.

I'm going to try 4.1 tomorrow.

thats with miltary brass, taper crimp.

grip mounts suck. guns are to shoot. and if I'm going to shoot bullseye against everyone else using scopes, then I will too and I don't think a couple holes in the slide will hurt it.

SauerGrapes · October 2, 2013, 08:34 PM

Get the gun set up the way you want. It's not like your dealing with some rare collectors piece. Drill baby, drill!
Make sure you don't exceed 1.250 OAL on your ammo with LSWC. Set your shell plate up so you can just slide a piece of paper between the plate and the sizing die.
I have no experience with military brass. Your round have to drop easily into the chamber on your barrel, if it doesn't, you'll have problems. You might want to buy a ''Go no Go'' cartridge guage to make sure.
Let us know how you make out.

richrd1 · October 3, 2013, 11:19 PM

4.1 h clays worked good with two different lswc's but had a couple malfunctions with 185 jacketes but that's not an issue at this time.

the brass and loaded rounds drop into the barrel fine.

I figured if I could make it work with old mismatched military brass I'd be good. I'm loading factory RP for the match saturday.

One thing I'm wondering, why do the recoil spring kits include 3 "extra power" hammer springs

So 3.8 is iffy and 4.1 works, but now I need to check it for accuracy.

October 1, 2013, 08:25 AM	#1
richrd1 Member Join Date: August 1, 2012 Posts: 32	functioning with scope I hung a matchdot on a Goldcup now I can not get it to funtion. with the load I want to use (3.8 H clays 200lswc) and the lightest spring I have, it will not cycle far enough to eject. if I bump it to 4.3 it will eject but the slide will not go into battery with next round. where do I go from here?

October 1, 2013, 10:37 AM	#2
PetahW Senior Member Join Date: September 19, 2008 Posts: 4,678	. Remove the scope............... .

October 1, 2013, 10:59 AM	#3
DaleA Senior Member Join Date: September 12, 2002 Location: Twin Cities, MN Posts: 5,384	Since I'm loath to put any holes into one of my 1911's I've always thought if I want to go optical on one the Aimpoint Grip Mount would be the way to go. No holes in the slide and the optics don't get battered so much. http://www.brownells.com/optics-moun...01-63-411.aspx

October 1, 2013, 11:16 AM	#4
SauerGrapes Senior Member Join Date: March 22, 2009 Location: S.E.PA. Posts: 920	A friend of mine uses that exact load. {your starting load} I think he uses a 12 or 13 lb spring. Your going to have to make sure your ammo is sized properly to get the gun to return to battery. Play with the crimp and sizing die. Test your rounds on your chamber using the plunk test. If your ammo is snug, you'll have problems. He uses only Remington brass because it's a little thinner than most other brands. I think you can get any brass to work, but your ammo has to be spot on.

October 1, 2013, 11:23 AM	#5
Hammerhead Senior Member Join Date: June 1, 2004 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,432	I think you're going to have to use a stronger recoil spring to get the slide moving a little faster on the return to battery. There should be no reason why you can't use a slide mounted scope on a target 1911, it's been done for years.

October 1, 2013, 08:34 PM	#6
richrd1 Member Join Date: August 1, 2012 Posts: 32	I got a spring kit from Wolfe today. the 4.3 works with the 12 pound spring but even with the 11, the 3.8 malfunctions every third shot. I'm going to try 4.1 tomorrow. thats with miltary brass, taper crimp. grip mounts suck. guns are to shoot. and if I'm going to shoot bullseye against everyone else using scopes, then I will too and I don't think a couple holes in the slide will hurt it.

October 2, 2013, 08:34 PM	#7
SauerGrapes Senior Member Join Date: March 22, 2009 Location: S.E.PA. Posts: 920	Get the gun set up the way you want. It's not like your dealing with some rare collectors piece. Drill baby, drill! Make sure you don't exceed 1.250 OAL on your ammo with LSWC. Set your shell plate up so you can just slide a piece of paper between the plate and the sizing die. I have no experience with military brass. Your round have to drop easily into the chamber on your barrel, if it doesn't, you'll have problems. You might want to buy a ''Go no Go'' cartridge guage to make sure. Let us know how you make out.

October 3, 2013, 11:19 PM	#8
richrd1 Member Join Date: August 1, 2012 Posts: 32	4.1 h clays worked good with two different lswc's but had a couple malfunctions with 185 jacketes but that's not an issue at this time. the brass and loaded rounds drop into the barrel fine. I figured if I could make it work with old mismatched military brass I'd be good. I'm loading factory RP for the match saturday. One thing I'm wondering, why do the recoil spring kits include 3 "extra power" hammer springs So 3.8 is iffy and 4.1 works, but now I need to check it for accuracy.