big bore

blueovelwookie · December 16, 2011, 10:26 PM

460xvr vs. 500 mag. 5" bbl. what are the pros/cons of each.

black mamba · December 17, 2011, 01:45 AM

460: cheaper ammo, less recoil, better trajectory for long range, more versatile (Casull and Colt).

500: more powerful, braggin' rights.

mes227 · December 18, 2011, 12:09 AM

I went with the .460 because you can chamber .454 Casull and .45 Colt. While the .500 is a more robust round, the ballistics are very similar. Consider these factory loads:

.460Mag
300gr @ 2,060 fps Buffalo Bore
360gr @ 1,900 fps BB
395gr @ 1,525 fps Cor-bon

.500Mag
350gr @ 1,600 fps Cor-bon
400gr @ 1,625 fps Cor-bon
400gr @ 1,800 fps Double Tap

The modest extra velocity isn't likely to make any practical difference. But with the two lighter rounds available for the .460 you have hugh flexibility and, at least in my case, it gets a lot more range time loaded with Casulls than with full-house mags. And the .454 Casull is a heck of a hunter on it's own right. Consider these factory loads:

.454 Casull
250 gr @ 1,900 fps Double Tap
360 gr @ 1,623 fps BB
400 gr @ 1,741 fps DT

But....the .500 wins hands down on bragging rights! And it can sling 500 gr bullets, which has a certain symmetry.

Sharpsdressed Man · December 18, 2011, 12:23 AM

Only the 460 is offered in a 5". The 500 comes in a 4" or 6.5". Hard to compare them on barrel length/perfermance.

aaronious45 · December 18, 2011, 08:16 AM

My 500 kills me on ammo. Wish I would have got the 460

Buckeye! · December 18, 2011, 09:44 AM

I'm into handgun hunting..but the 460 caught my attention when the round first rolled out, and I still think it was great idea and a great cartridge...460 ,454 ,and 45 Colt..all great cartridges...
Now if someone would come out with a Levergun chambered in the 460

MrDontPlay · December 18, 2011, 12:06 PM

What are you wanting to use it for? Or do you just want something badass?
I'd love to have a 460, but I wouldnt trade my 500 for it. I can always load down for plinking.

The 460 can throw a lighter bullet faster, but a 500 can throw a 700gr bullet. With the 700gr bullets, the a 1/2 pound of lead in the cylinder!!!

blueovelwookie · December 18, 2011, 07:08 PM

going for the badassness, but also hand gun hunting.i am useing a 10mm now, and i want something bigger.

MrDontPlay · December 18, 2011, 07:25 PM

Well then get the 500. I don't regret buying mine at all. It will do anything you want it to.

Super Sneaky Steve · December 18, 2011, 07:40 PM

460 all the way. I don't think anyone has ever shot something with a 460 Mag and said damn, that didn't work wish I had a 500!

Master Blaster 2 · December 18, 2011, 07:50 PM

500 all the way...recoil is not that bad

mo84 · December 18, 2011, 08:41 PM

I have never shot the 460 but I have the 500. They should rename it the 500 WOW!!!! because is what every new shooter says after shooting it lol. Yes the bullets cost alot but I mainly use mine for hunting so it is not that big of a deal, plus I reload, droping the price dramatically. Some shooting ranges have them to rent, that would be the best way to see. I also think the 500 is better known by regular people so the bragging rights are automatic.

tulsamal · December 18, 2011, 08:56 PM

When I think "big bore revolver," I think of my Ruger Alaskan in .480. Sort of a modern bulldog. It reminds me of that staple line in pulp detective fiction, "The bad guy spun around. His hand was full of gun." The Alaskan will fill your hand for sure!

Gregg

Walklightly · December 19, 2011, 12:55 AM

Didn't they bring out the 460 after the 500, and why was that?

blueovelwookie · December 19, 2011, 08:51 PM

thanks for all the info. now that i have decided on the hand howitzer 460xvr, how do i convince the wife?

mo84 · December 19, 2011, 08:59 PM

convincing the wife is the hardest part especially considering the gun cost as much as a cheep used car lol, my gun actually cost more than my car. I used my half of our income tax to purchase it. could always just buy it and tell her it was a impulse buy and beg for forgiveness lol.

blueovelwookie · December 19, 2011, 09:23 PM

i will just tell her it is for home protection, against elephants and such.

mo84 · December 19, 2011, 09:40 PM

you never know when the animals will get out of the zoo or when some crazy person decides to let all of their exotic animals loose. better safe than sorry lol

MrDontPlay · December 19, 2011, 09:45 PM

I always say " when a rabid elephant gets loose, then every gun BUT this one will be ridiculous!"

Deja vu · December 19, 2011, 10:30 PM

I was looking at a 460 but then I saw the BFR in 450 marlin/45-70 Govt. I went with that because I would not have to buy new reloading gear.

Walklightly · December 20, 2011, 04:25 PM

Quote:

you never know when the animals will get out of the zoo or when some crazy person decides to let all of their exotic animals loose. better safe than sorry lol

LOL

Not to mention doing the Harry Carey

22-rimfire · December 20, 2011, 04:37 PM

That happened in Ohio this year. You really need a big boomer. But for me... it's the 480 Ruger. Next big boomer will be a BFR in 475 Casull/480 Ruger. Plenty of boom.

Stephanie B · December 20, 2011, 08:31 PM

Quote:

i will just tell her it is for home protection, against elephants and such.

Or if you want to win a game of chess with a wookie and live.....

Sharpsdressed Man · December 20, 2011, 08:55 PM

Simple. 460 goes BANG! 500 goes BOOM! There is a gutteral sound difference between the two.

blueovelwookie · December 24, 2011, 01:09 PM

i like the idea of the teminal ballistics of the 460 round. The ability to create, upon inpact a large expansion cavity (velocity) and great wound channel (penatration). It just ballisticaly seems compariable to rifle rounds out of a hand gun. Yes the BFR offers 45-70, but it is not that pretty on the eyes (only my opinion, not knocking the BFR).

December 16, 2011, 10:26 PM	#1
blueovelwookie Senior Member Join Date: October 2, 2009 Posts: 122	big bore 460xvr vs. 500 mag. 5" bbl. what are the pros/cons of each.

December 18, 2011, 12:09 AM	#3
mes227 Senior Member Join Date: December 12, 2010 Location: Incline Village, NV Posts: 535	I went with the .460 because you can chamber .454 Casull and .45 Colt. While the .500 is a more robust round, the ballistics are very similar. Consider these factory loads: .460Mag 300gr @ 2,060 fps Buffalo Bore 360gr @ 1,900 fps BB 395gr @ 1,525 fps Cor-bon .500Mag 350gr @ 1,600 fps Cor-bon 400gr @ 1,625 fps Cor-bon 400gr @ 1,800 fps Double Tap The modest extra velocity isn't likely to make any practical difference. But with the two lighter rounds available for the .460 you have hugh flexibility and, at least in my case, it gets a lot more range time loaded with Casulls than with full-house mags. And the .454 Casull is a heck of a hunter on it's own right. Consider these factory loads: .454 Casull 250 gr @ 1,900 fps Double Tap 360 gr @ 1,623 fps BB 400 gr @ 1,741 fps DT But....the .500 wins hands down on bragging rights! And it can sling 500 gr bullets, which has a certain symmetry. Last edited by mes227; December 18, 2011 at 12:18 AM.

December 18, 2011, 12:23 AM	#4
Sharpsdressed Man Junior member Join Date: June 21, 2009 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 1,176	Only the 460 is offered in a 5". The 500 comes in a 4" or 6.5". Hard to compare them on barrel length/perfermance. Last edited by Sharpsdressed Man; December 20, 2011 at 08:54 PM.

December 19, 2011, 10:30 PM	#20
Deja vu Senior Member Join Date: March 14, 2010 Location: Border of Idaho & Montana Posts: 2,584	I was looking at a 460 but then I saw the BFR in 450 marlin/45-70 Govt. I went with that because I would not have to buy new reloading gear. __________________ Shot placement is everything! I would rather take a round of 50BMG to the foot than a 22short to the base of the skull. all 26 of my guns are 45/70 govt, 357 mag, 22 or 12 ga... I believe in keeping it simple. Wish my wife did as well...

December 17, 2011, 01:45 AM	#2
black mamba Senior Member Join Date: September 13, 2011 Location: SW Florida Posts: 909	460: cheaper ammo, less recoil, better trajectory for long range, more versatile (Casull and Colt). 500: more powerful, braggin' rights.

December 18, 2011, 08:16 AM	#5
aaronious45 Member Join Date: March 3, 2010 Location: Jay, fl. Posts: 24	My 500 kills me on ammo. Wish I would have got the 460

December 18, 2011, 09:44 AM	#6
Buckeye! Senior Member Join Date: September 1, 2008 Posts: 857	I'm into handgun hunting..but the 460 caught my attention when the round first rolled out, and I still think it was great idea and a great cartridge...460 ,454 ,and 45 Colt..all great cartridges... Now if someone would come out with a Levergun chambered in the 460

December 18, 2011, 12:06 PM	#7
MrDontPlay Senior Member Join Date: December 25, 2010 Posts: 587	What are you wanting to use it for? Or do you just want something badass? I'd love to have a 460, but I wouldnt trade my 500 for it. I can always load down for plinking. The 460 can throw a lighter bullet faster, but a 500 can throw a 700gr bullet. With the 700gr bullets, the a 1/2 pound of lead in the cylinder!!!

December 18, 2011, 07:08 PM	#8
blueovelwookie Senior Member Join Date: October 2, 2009 Posts: 122	going for the badassness, but also hand gun hunting.i am useing a 10mm now, and i want something bigger.

December 18, 2011, 07:25 PM	#9
MrDontPlay Senior Member Join Date: December 25, 2010 Posts: 587	Well then get the 500. I don't regret buying mine at all. It will do anything you want it to.

December 18, 2011, 07:40 PM	#10
Super Sneaky Steve Senior Member Join Date: August 9, 2011 Posts: 1,332	460 all the way. I don't think anyone has ever shot something with a 460 Mag and said damn, that didn't work wish I had a 500!

December 18, 2011, 07:50 PM	#11
Master Blaster 2 Junior member Join Date: May 29, 2011 Posts: 895	500 all the way...recoil is not that bad

December 18, 2011, 08:41 PM	#12
mo84 Senior Member Join Date: February 27, 2011 Location: Michigan Posts: 257	I have never shot the 460 but I have the 500. They should rename it the 500 WOW!!!! because is what every new shooter says after shooting it lol. Yes the bullets cost alot but I mainly use mine for hunting so it is not that big of a deal, plus I reload, droping the price dramatically. Some shooting ranges have them to rent, that would be the best way to see. I also think the 500 is better known by regular people so the bragging rights are automatic.

December 18, 2011, 08:56 PM	#13
tulsamal Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2004 Location: Vinita, OK Posts: 2,552	When I think "big bore revolver," I think of my Ruger Alaskan in .480. Sort of a modern bulldog. It reminds me of that staple line in pulp detective fiction, "The bad guy spun around. His hand was full of gun." The Alaskan will fill your hand for sure! Gregg

December 19, 2011, 12:55 AM	#14
Walklightly Junior member Join Date: September 28, 2011 Posts: 985	Didn't they bring out the 460 after the 500, and why was that?

December 19, 2011, 08:51 PM	#15
blueovelwookie Senior Member Join Date: October 2, 2009 Posts: 122	thanks for all the info. now that i have decided on the hand howitzer 460xvr, how do i convince the wife?

December 19, 2011, 08:59 PM	#16
mo84 Senior Member Join Date: February 27, 2011 Location: Michigan Posts: 257	convincing the wife is the hardest part especially considering the gun cost as much as a cheep used car lol, my gun actually cost more than my car. I used my half of our income tax to purchase it. could always just buy it and tell her it was a impulse buy and beg for forgiveness lol.

December 19, 2011, 09:23 PM	#17
blueovelwookie Senior Member Join Date: October 2, 2009 Posts: 122	i will just tell her it is for home protection, against elephants and such.

December 19, 2011, 09:40 PM	#18
mo84 Senior Member Join Date: February 27, 2011 Location: Michigan Posts: 257	you never know when the animals will get out of the zoo or when some crazy person decides to let all of their exotic animals loose. better safe than sorry lol

December 19, 2011, 09:45 PM	#19
MrDontPlay Senior Member Join Date: December 25, 2010 Posts: 587	I always say " when a rabid elephant gets loose, then every gun BUT this one will be ridiculous!"

December 20, 2011, 04:37 PM	#22
22-rimfire Senior Member Join Date: February 19, 2005 Location: Tennessee Posts: 5,323	That happened in Ohio this year. You really need a big boomer. But for me... it's the 480 Ruger. Next big boomer will be a BFR in 475 Casull/480 Ruger. Plenty of boom.

December 20, 2011, 08:55 PM	#24
Sharpsdressed Man Junior member Join Date: June 21, 2009 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 1,176	Simple. 460 goes BANG! 500 goes BOOM! There is a gutteral sound difference between the two.

December 24, 2011, 01:09 PM	#25
blueovelwookie Senior Member Join Date: October 2, 2009 Posts: 122	i like the idea of the teminal ballistics of the 460 round. The ability to create, upon inpact a large expansion cavity (velocity) and great wound channel (penatration). It just ballisticaly seems compariable to rifle rounds out of a hand gun. Yes the BFR offers 45-70, but it is not that pretty on the eyes (only my opinion, not knocking the BFR).