ortgies 675mm

georgebygeorge · December 13, 2011, 11:35 PM

I have an ortgies 675mm that does not lock open when mag is empty and slide is pulled back. I presume that it would not lock open after firing the last round. Is that normal for these old guns.

carguychris · December 14, 2011, 12:09 AM

I do not know much about Ortgies pistols specifically, but the last-round slide hold-open feature wasn't found on many European automatics prior to ~1930, so it wouldn't surprise me if the Ortgies lacks this feature since it was designed earlier than this.

BTW I presume that the pistol is actually 7.65mm, i.e. .32ACP, or 6.35mm, i.e. .25ACP.

gyvel · December 14, 2011, 06:17 AM

Ortgies pistols, whether 7.65mm (.32 ACP) or 6.35mm (.25 ACP) were not designed to lock open on the last shot. As carguychris stated, the vast majority of European and even American .32s and .25s were not designed to lock open on the last shot.

The only early common exceptions that come to mind right now are the Mauser 1910 and 1910/14 models, and the Beretta .32 1915 pistols, which stay open by virtue of the magazine follower, but slam shut when the mag is removed.

The Walther PP incorporated a magazine actuated holdopen, but that gun didn't come along until 1929.

amd6547 · December 14, 2011, 12:47 PM

As I recall, the Mauser 1910 I once owned in 25acp locked open after the last round, stayed open with the mag removed, then closed on insertion of a fresh mag.

georgebygeorge · December 14, 2011, 02:21 PM

Thanks folks. I knew my other autos locked open and hoped this was a manufacturein issue and not something broken. I am new to this forum and am very impressed with it. I only posted thios question yesterday, and all you nice folks came to my aid very quickly. Thanks again
georgebygeorge

carguychris · December 14, 2011, 04:03 PM

I'll caution you that, based on the experience of a buddy of mine, collecting prewar small-caliber pistols can be an addiction that is hard to shake. Symptoms include scouring GB for every military variant of the FN Model 1922, knowledge of Savage factory pistol magazine variations, and ownership of obscure guns most shooters have never heard of much less seen, e.g. a Dreyse, a Schwarzlose, and/or Davis-Warner Infallible.

gyvel · December 15, 2011, 07:46 AM

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I'll caution you that, based on the experience of a buddy of mine, collecting prewar small-caliber pistols can be an addiction that is hard to shake. Symptoms include scouring GB for every military variant of the FN Model 1922, knowledge of Savage factory pistol magazine variations, and ownership of obscure guns most shooters have never heard of much less seen, e.g. a Dreyse, a Schwarzlose, and/or Davis-Warner Infallible.

LOL!! Don't forget all the Spanish 'Ruby" types, the Armand Gavages, Rheinmetalls, etc. etc.

Many years ago, I got hooked on all the FN 1922 contracts and types as carguychris mentioned and it drove me crazy. I got to a point where they were getting too hard to find (and command high prices) so I gave up and am liquidating my FN 1922s to preserve my sanity.

December 13, 2011, 11:35 PM	#1
georgebygeorge Junior Member Join Date: December 13, 2011 Posts: 2	ortgies 675mm I have an ortgies 675mm that does not lock open when mag is empty and slide is pulled back. I presume that it would not lock open after firing the last round. Is that normal for these old guns.

December 14, 2011, 12:47 PM	#4
amd6547 Senior Member Join Date: May 27, 2006 Posts: 2,320	As I recall, the Mauser 1910 I once owned in 25acp locked open after the last round, stayed open with the mag removed, then closed on insertion of a fresh mag. __________________ The past is gone...the future may never happen. Be Here Now.

December 14, 2011, 02:21 PM	#5
georgebygeorge Junior Member Join Date: December 13, 2011 Posts: 2	Thank You Thanks folks. I knew my other autos locked open and hoped this was a manufacturein issue and not something broken. I am new to this forum and am very impressed with it. I only posted thios question yesterday, and all you nice folks came to my aid very quickly. Thanks again georgebygeorge

December 14, 2011, 12:09 AM	#2
carguychris Senior Member Join Date: October 20, 2007 Location: Richardson, TX Posts: 7,523	I do not know much about Ortgies pistols specifically, but the last-round slide hold-open feature wasn't found on many European automatics prior to ~1930, so it wouldn't surprise me if the Ortgies lacks this feature since it was designed earlier than this. BTW I presume that the pistol is actually 7.65mm, i.e. .32ACP, or 6.35mm, i.e. .25ACP.

December 14, 2011, 06:17 AM	#3
gyvel Senior Member Join Date: August 30, 2009 Location: Northern AZ Posts: 7,172	Ortgies pistols, whether 7.65mm (.32 ACP) or 6.35mm (.25 ACP) were not designed to lock open on the last shot. As carguychris stated, the vast majority of European and even American .32s and .25s were not designed to lock open on the last shot. The only early common exceptions that come to mind right now are the Mauser 1910 and 1910/14 models, and the Beretta .32 1915 pistols, which stay open by virtue of the magazine follower, but slam shut when the mag is removed. The Walther PP incorporated a magazine actuated holdopen, but that gun didn't come along until 1929.

December 14, 2011, 04:03 PM	#6
carguychris Senior Member Join Date: October 20, 2007 Location: Richardson, TX Posts: 7,523	I'll caution you that, based on the experience of a buddy of mine, collecting prewar small-caliber pistols can be an addiction that is hard to shake. Symptoms include scouring GB for every military variant of the FN Model 1922, knowledge of Savage factory pistol magazine variations, and ownership of obscure guns most shooters have never heard of much less seen, e.g. a Dreyse, a Schwarzlose, and/or Davis-Warner Infallible.