what handguns use the 7.62x25 round?

[tahunua001]

hello all.
I'm trying to compile a list of all handguns that are chambered in 30 Tokarev. at one point not so long ago 7.62x25 was the cheapest centerfire round out there. Even though prices are neck and neck with 9mm, I am still clinging to hope that it'll go back down and am thinking about picking up a 30 TOK firearm of some sort. Anyone out there know of any besides the CZ52s?

[carguychris]

Other than the CZ-52, the major group of firearms that uses the 7.62x25 round is the Tokarev TT family. This includes the original TT-33, the Yugo M57, and the Chinese (sold in the USA as Norinco) Type 54.

Although you ask about handguns, the other major use of the cartridge was in submachine guns, notably the PPSh-41 and the PPS family. A few semi-auto carbine variants of these guns have been sold on the American market.

[kozak6]

So yeah, other than the CZ-52, it's really only Tokarev clones of various nationalities.

7.62 Tokarev is an unusually long pistol cartridge, which makes for poor interchangeability with other cartridges.

[Cajun Ken]

I've got a Chicom Type 54 ( China's clone of the TT-33 ), and I like it very much. It is solid, dependable and very accurate. If you plan to use it for SD, you need to get some HP rounds, because the FMJ round will go thru BG, the walls of your house and keep going. Wolf sells a 85 gr. Copper JHP round that is made in Serbia. Winchester sells a 85 Gr. FMJ round that is made in the Czech Republic. Both use non-corrosive primers. War surplus ammo is still available thru the Internet at bargain prices. It will have the corrosive primer, but that is no big deal. You just need to clean the pistol after each firing. I have been firing them in mine for 40 years with no ill effects

Hope this helps.

[mkk41]

Don't forget the old Mauser Broomhandle. Though technically it's round is called the 7.63 Mauser , it's dimensionally identical.

[Wrothgar]

I want a CZ 52 so bad... I think they look amazing.

[tahunua001]

sorry there was nor amplifying information about what I want it for. it's going to be strictly for killing paper and tree rats and such. I am already set for a nightstand gun and concealed carry. I just want something that I can shoot cheaply besides a 22 that doesn't feel like I'm holding a deck of cards.

[CWKahrFan]

I prefer shooting the Zastava M57 over the CZ52. I found an M57 in very good condition... my CZ52 is also in very good condition. I find the M57 better ergonomically... Note: my M57 won't cycle hollowpoints while the CZ52 will. But they're basically FMJ range guns for me. The M57 also has less muzzle flip and handles powerful milsurp ammo better than my CZ too. (I had another CZ52 blow up on me... that thread isn't too old if you care to search for it.)

Here they both are but in this pic the M57 is wearing my custom thin grips...

[AustinTX]

I want a CZ 52 so bad... I think they look amazing.

It's as fun as any gun I own. The sights, trigger, and ergnomics range from below average to bad, but I still love it. The gun is solidly built, and the round provides the best noise-to-recoil ratio I've experienced in a semi-auto. It doesn't bite much, but the Tokarev round certainly barks. It is loud.

I want a TT-33/M57/Type 54 to go along with it.

sorry there was nor amplifying information about what I want it for. it's going to be strictly for killing paper and tree rats and such. I am already set for a nightstand gun and concealed carry. I just want something that I can shoot cheaply besides a 22 that doesn't feel like I'm holding a deck of cards.

Not a very good reason to buy a Tokarev-chambered gun these days. For a few months, it looked like the surplus ammo had dried up for good. There's some around now, but it's not nearly as abundant or cheap as it used to be, and that's not going to change. Before too much longer, you'll probably have no choice but to buy expensive non-surplus Tokarev ammo.

[aarondhgraham]

I just want something that I can shoot cheaply besides a 22 that doesn't feel like I'm holding a deck of cards.

If the CZ-52 doesn't work out for you,,,
Try one of these CZ-75B Kadet pistols out for size.



Full size and only a few ounces difference in weight from it's 9mm counterpart.

And, it's accurate as all get out.

Just an alternative.

Aarond

[tahunua001]

I'm not after a 22lr atm but I'll keep it in mind

[B. Lahey]

I don't think I would use a 7.62x25mm pistol on squirrels. In my experience, a lot of shots on squirrels use a tree as a backstop, and the 7.62x25 penetrates wood (and nearly everything else) like crazy. You would need a hefty tree-trunk behind the little buggers for a safe shot.

However, it is lots of fun at the range. I like my CZ52; it's weird and loud. Glad I stocked up on milsurp while it was cheap, I think I may have a lifetime supply. Good luck.

[yustinus1973]

Try this, not a pistol but still very neat looking. http://cncgunsparts.com/ar-15_m-16_762x25_uppers.

[carguychris]

Not a very good reason to buy a Tokarev-chambered gun these days. For a few months, it looked like the surplus ammo had dried up for good. There's some around now, but it's not nearly as abundant or cheap as it used to be, and that's not going to change. Before too much longer, you'll probably have no choice but to buy expensive non-surplus Tokarev ammo.

+1. An important point to remember is that the cartridge has several strikes against it from the standpoint of an ammunition manufacturer: most of the pistols that chamber it are older, it's not a common military/LE cartridge in most Western countries, it takes a unique bullet, and the bottleneck case is relatively expensive to manufacture.

These factors are probably going to lead to expensive factory ammunition in the long term.

[CWKahrFan]

I've been reloading 7.62x25 for awhile... so far, so good... It's nice to be able to tone it down a bit compared with the powerful milsurp.

[CWKahrFan]

Ever seen a pic of this 7.62x25?... The Zastava M57 Lux... I haven't done research on it... Just found this pic on the net... Seems it hasn't yet been imported to the US... pity...
http://www.zastava-arms.rs/
http://www.zastava-arms.rs/

[mkk41]

I want a CZ 52 so bad... I think they look amazing

I've got one of the 9mm conversion barrels for mine. I hear they're no longer available though.

[zombieslayer]

Fwiw- I own two 52's and theyre amazing to shoot. Very accurate for cheap surplus guns. Well, not so cheap anymore. Last gunshow I saw two with pricetags of $250 and higher

[tahunua001]

Try this, not a pistol but still very neat looking. http://cncgunsparts.com/ar-15_m-16_762x25_uppers.

I rattled around the idea of a 30 tok AR15 but with 800 for an upper, 150 for a mag block and 30-75 dollars per mag it just wasn't worth it with the price of ammo being so close to 9mm...that and I already have a 9mm AR so another similarly powered AR variant wouldn't be something I'm very interested in.

I don't think I would use a 7.62x25mm pistol on squirrels. In my experience, a lot of shots on squirrels use a tree as a backstop, and the 7.62x25 penetrates wood (and nearly everything else) like crazy. You would need a hefty tree-trunk behind the little buggers for a safe shot.

more of the squirrel hunting would be camp and wilderness shooting so a bullet that's gone through a tree wouldn't be a great safety concern.

[zombieslayer]

From my backyard ballistics the 7.62 round is a really powerful penetrating round. Its moatly used for blasting old tv's, computers, boats, tires, blocks, or whatever else is discarded on the rural roads of apopka.

[Cajun Ken]

Go to http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot29.htm for a video of handgun penetration testing. You may be surprised.

[CWKahrFan]

Yeah, that helmet penetration test concurs with my experience too... especially some of the milsurp loads are VERY hot plus the bullets are often "magnetic" too... which means some of them have SOME steel in them... but I'm no expert.