I'm looking really hard at the CZ-75

spyderdude · July 14, 2011, 08:07 AM

I've heard CZ makes good firearms but the more I read about the CZ-75 the more I want one in 9mm. I'm trying to decide between the compact or just go with the full size. It might be another carry option for me, but I have yet to fondle one. I've owned two other DA/SA handguns before those being the Beretta 92FS and Sig P229. I like the fact that you can carry the CZ-75 cocked and locked and heard the Browning Hi-Power and EAA Witness pistols are based off the CZ design. What can I expect to pay for one?

Thanks in advance!

chris in va · July 14, 2011, 08:17 AM

Just a 'regular' 75B at my LGS runs about $480. If I were you (and I have a 75BD), I'd try and find a used one as the trigger will be considerably smoothed out. New SA trigger pulls tend to have some 'grit' that takes a couple hundred cycles/dry fires to calm down.

You won't regret getting either a PCR/PO1 or full size, just keep in mind the compacts have a slightly shorter grip and my little finger was halfway on the magazine.

Also keep in mind the 75B is all-steel, unlike the 92FS or the 229 you mentioned. It's pretty heavy for carry.

Pilot · July 14, 2011, 08:42 AM

I have the full size 75B, and compact alloy framed PCR which I carry. They are both reliable and very accurate. They both accept the .22LR Kadet conversion kit.

The EAA/Tangfolio Witness is a copy of the CZ-75 design. The Browning Hi Power has nothing to do with either the CZ, nor Witness design.

TunnelRat · July 14, 2011, 08:54 AM

Browning Hi Power based off of the CZ? What is the world coming to? The Hi Power was designed before CZ ever existed. Most people would consider the 75 a modified Hi Power. Though that can be said about a lot of guns.

Either way nice range gun. Imo the full size is a bit heavy for concealed carry but makes a good range gun. Very tight and good accuracy. Can be tricky to find depending on where you live.

Martowski · July 14, 2011, 09:33 AM

Browning Hi-Power was put into service in the 1930's (as the P35 for "1935") and was used extensively in WWII by both Allied & Axis sides. Revolutionary for its time and still a viable pistol, it was the original "double stack" magazine pistol design.

The CZ-75 wasn't introduced until, you guess it, 1975... 40 years AFTER the Hi Power. The CZ is a great design, but is a different design than the Hi Power. For example, on the CZ the slide rides INSIDE the frame vs. outside like most pistols. Some claim this contributes to great accuracy, but in reality barrel to slide fit contributes much more to accuracy than slide to frame (Sig P226 is a great example... many of these "rattle" due to loose slide to frame fit, yet shoot accurately because of the barrel to slide relationship). Also, the trigger mechanism is different between the two guns (the Hi Power incorporates a magazine disconnect safety as well). They both lock up with the slide via lugs in the top of the barrel that fit into recesses in the slide (vs. the Sig style lockup as seen on the Sig "P" series, Glocks, Springfield XD's, and many other designs). People compare these two many times due to the ergonomics and the fact they can both be carried cocked & locked.

Like many on here, I currently own both the CZ and the Hi Power and have owned the Witness in the past. The Witness is an Italian-made copy of the CZ, produced by Tanfoglio in Italy. It's a decent firearm but many would argue why buy a Witness when you can get a CZ at a very attractive price? Ergonomically, I felt the Witness was a better "feeling" pistol but to each his own. There are two things I don't care for with the CZ-75. One is the length of reach when shooting in double action mode. It's longer than most, even much longer than the Beretta 92fs. Also, the single action trigger on the CZ isn't great due to the fact that the last stage of the SA pull actually cams the hammer every so slightly; it can create a "gritty" feel. This can be corrected and may smooth out over time on well used pistols, but it's something to be aware of. I like the CZ, but love the Hi Power. Especially in modern MKIII form.

aarondhgraham · July 14, 2011, 10:15 AM

There is no reason not to buy a CZ.

I mean they are so inexpensive,,,
Why buy a Tangfolio just to save a few bucks.

One year ago I paid $500.00 for a brand new CZ-75B in 9mm,,,
At that time the Tangfolio (EAA Witness) was $419.00,,,
Not enough difference to justify buying a copy.

Now, having said that,,,
I've almost talked myself into buying,,,
An EAA (Imported Tangfolio) 9mm/22 LR combo.

It's not like I even need another 9mm pistol,,,
But I could use another quality .22,,,
For $400.00 it's hard to beat.

Aarond

C0untZer0 · July 14, 2011, 10:34 AM

The design for the Browning High-Power originated over 100 years ago. Beautiful pistol.

Here are 3 threads that go over the subject:

http://thefiringline.com/forums/show...light=browning

http://thefiringline.com/forums/show...light=browning

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=455821

MC 1911 · July 14, 2011, 10:35 AM

Actually my CZ24 was made in 1926.

C0untZer0 · July 14, 2011, 10:39 AM

If only CZ made an exact replica of their great 75B pistol in .22LR... then everything would be so wonderful, the universe would be at harmony with itself and I could finally be happy...

Walt Sherrill · July 14, 2011, 10:46 AM

Quote:

If only CZ made an exact replica of their great 75B pistol in .22LR... then everything would be so wonderful, the universe would be at harmony with itself and I could finally be happy...

Are you ready for a wonderful and harmonius universe?

CZ does make an exact copy of the CZ-75 in .22. It's called the Kadet, and it's a dedicated .22.

CZ also offers the slide assembly, called the Kadet Kit, which can be installed on the standard CZ-75B frame (in either 9mm or .40, in decocker or DA/SA).

In practical terms, it makes more sense to buy a CZ-75B and then get the Kadet Kit, as the Kadet typically sells for more than a 9mm or .40 (probably because they are much more rare and less easily obtained through the distributor network).

I have a Kadet Kit and use it with my CZ-85 Combat. When I got it, I sold a Ruger MKII Target Competition (slab sided with long barrel), because the CZ shot just as well.

The frame on the CZ-75B in 9mm and the CZ-75 Kadet are the same.

(And, as noted above, the CZ and the BHP are totally different designs, with only a somewhat-similar Browning lockup system in common. They look a little alike, but looks can be deceiving.)

aarondhgraham · July 14, 2011, 11:12 AM

Here ya go,,,
Tmava Zena (Dire Woman),,,
Mala Sestra (Little Sister).

The only difference is that the .22 has adjustable rear sights.

Flawless performers they are.

Aarond

Neal_G. · July 14, 2011, 11:29 AM

The full size 75B will likely feel great in your hand, but it is a large, heavy carry option. You will have to get a high quality gun belt and holster to make it comfortable to carry. Thats nothing new to lots of the 1911 guys who require the same thing to carry a fullsize model too, just want to highlight that it's a different proposition then carrying something like a Glock 26.

I actually purchased the steel/alloy CZ75 PCR compact for carry, which is supposed to be the optimum carry CZ compact. It's a fantastic gun, but I was actually looking for the standard 75C compact, which is all steel with a manual safety, and couldn't find one. Now in a month I'll be looking to get either that standard acompact, or maybe a fullsize SP-01. For range or HD work you can't really go wrong with any of the fullsize CZ's though. For carry I'd have to give the nod to the PCR, P-01, and Rami line.

C0untZer0 · July 14, 2011, 11:43 AM

Sweet baby Jehosaphat Glock almighty !!! Now my life is truly complete !

If only I had the cash to actually buy those...

TunnelRat · July 14, 2011, 11:54 AM

By the way, I was raised to think that was staring was rude, so don't look at it too hard.

Sigh, now I want to get a CZ. Thanks a bunch

!

Amin Parker · July 14, 2011, 12:12 PM

My opinion is that if you look at accuracy, reliability and durability, the cz 75 is the best modern double action 9mm in the world.

Spending years doing competitive shooting, i have seen the cz 75 pistol outlive every other brand of 9mm.

I always say, you cannot buy a better 9mm at twice the price.

GURU1911 · July 14, 2011, 01:30 PM

Other than the 1911a1 .45 acp pistol, the cz-75 was col. Jeff cooper's second choice for a carry pistol. It can be carried cocked & locked like a 1911 or the first shot could be trigger-fired double-action, with the hammer in the down position.

The cz-75b had cooper's personal blessing & he seldom was wrong with his ideas----purchase it with confidence.

Guru1911

Martowski · July 14, 2011, 02:04 PM

Okay, I'll play. My stock CZ-75b (I have since replaced the hard plastic grips with CZ factory rubber grips). I do like the gun, but just do not yet feel I've hit my stride with it in terms of comfort. But I will say that the quantitative data shows this is one of the more accurate handguns I own (in my hands).

TunnelRat · July 14, 2011, 02:23 PM

Oh that brings up a good point. For the love of all that is holy, get rid of the plastic grips. More specifically, replace them with the factory rubber grips when you can. It gives the gun a MUCH better feel. Idk how much extra it would cost CZ, but they should just come that way.

UZO · July 14, 2011, 02:28 PM

CZs are EXCELLENT pistols!!... Have several and IMHO their TWO BEST are the 75B and the P-01!...
Let the collection begin... you won't be disappointed!!
Also, ditto TunnelRat... Rubber Grips on ALL!!

TunnelRat · July 14, 2011, 02:32 PM

@ UZO
Do you carry the P-01? Looks like a nice size.

vyse.04 · July 14, 2011, 02:37 PM

Just keep in mind that if you want to carry a compact CZ with the hammer back and safety engaged, look for a CZ75 Compact. Most of their compact models come with a decocker unless you decide to shop at CZCustom.com .

Chase1848 · July 14, 2011, 03:14 PM

I own the CZ-75 SP-01 and it's awesome. It's incredibly accurate, never jams (it fires Silver Bear all day long), and everyone who shoots it falls in love. I especially like how it fits the hand. I recommend getting a 9MM snap cap and using that to smooth the trigger.

C0untZer0 · July 14, 2011, 03:20 PM

I think I asked this before but I can't find where I asked it.

Does anyone know how the SA only trigger is different from the DA/SA - in SA mode (hammer cocked) ?

I have heard the triggers feel different.

Amin Parker · July 14, 2011, 03:24 PM

I own 4 cz pistols and highly recommend them. 2 cz 75Bs, one cz 75 preB, and one cz 70.

I really have a high opinion of the brand.

Mr.Blue · July 14, 2011, 03:34 PM

Unless you have the cash to buy multiple CZ's shortly thereafter, I wouldn't get it. After buying my first CZ about two months ago, I am picking up my 4th tomorrow. It will be 5 when I find a CZ 97BD for a good price.

July 14, 2011, 08:07 AM	#1
spyderdude Senior Member Join Date: March 6, 2006 Posts: 579	I'm looking really hard at the CZ-75 I've heard CZ makes good firearms but the more I read about the CZ-75 the more I want one in 9mm. I'm trying to decide between the compact or just go with the full size. It might be another carry option for me, but I have yet to fondle one. I've owned two other DA/SA handguns before those being the Beretta 92FS and Sig P229. I like the fact that you can carry the CZ-75 cocked and locked and heard the Browning Hi-Power and EAA Witness pistols are based off the CZ design. What can I expect to pay for one? Thanks in advance!

July 14, 2011, 08:54 AM	#4
TunnelRat Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2011 Posts: 12,423	Browning Hi Power based off of the CZ? What is the world coming to? The Hi Power was designed before CZ ever existed. Most people would consider the 75 a modified Hi Power. Though that can be said about a lot of guns. Either way nice range gun. Imo the full size is a bit heavy for concealed carry but makes a good range gun. Very tight and good accuracy. Can be tricky to find depending on where you live. __________________ Know the status of your weapon Keep your muzzle oriented so that no one will be hurt if the firearm discharges Keep your finger off the trigger until you have an adequate sight picture Maintain situational awareness

July 14, 2011, 09:33 AM	#5
Martowski Senior Member Join Date: January 31, 2000 Location: Texas (By Way of Illinois) Posts: 1,378	Browning Hi-Power was put into service in the 1930's (as the P35 for "1935") and was used extensively in WWII by both Allied & Axis sides. Revolutionary for its time and still a viable pistol, it was the original "double stack" magazine pistol design. The CZ-75 wasn't introduced until, you guess it, 1975... 40 years AFTER the Hi Power. The CZ is a great design, but is a different design than the Hi Power. For example, on the CZ the slide rides INSIDE the frame vs. outside like most pistols. Some claim this contributes to great accuracy, but in reality barrel to slide fit contributes much more to accuracy than slide to frame (Sig P226 is a great example... many of these "rattle" due to loose slide to frame fit, yet shoot accurately because of the barrel to slide relationship). Also, the trigger mechanism is different between the two guns (the Hi Power incorporates a magazine disconnect safety as well). They both lock up with the slide via lugs in the top of the barrel that fit into recesses in the slide (vs. the Sig style lockup as seen on the Sig "P" series, Glocks, Springfield XD's, and many other designs). People compare these two many times due to the ergonomics and the fact they can both be carried cocked & locked. Like many on here, I currently own both the CZ and the Hi Power and have owned the Witness in the past. The Witness is an Italian-made copy of the CZ, produced by Tanfoglio in Italy. It's a decent firearm but many would argue why buy a Witness when you can get a CZ at a very attractive price? Ergonomically, I felt the Witness was a better "feeling" pistol but to each his own. There are two things I don't care for with the CZ-75. One is the length of reach when shooting in double action mode. It's longer than most, even much longer than the Beretta 92fs. Also, the single action trigger on the CZ isn't great due to the fact that the last stage of the SA pull actually cams the hammer every so slightly; it can create a "gritty" feel. This can be corrected and may smooth out over time on well used pistols, but it's something to be aware of. I like the CZ, but love the Hi Power. Especially in modern MKIII form. __________________ Midwestern Ramblings (my amateur firearms blog): http://martowski.wordpress.com/

July 14, 2011, 10:15 AM	#6
aarondhgraham Senior Member Join Date: December 1, 2009 Location: Stillwater, OKlahoma Posts: 8,638	Unless every penny counts,,, There is no reason not to buy a CZ. I mean they are so inexpensive,,, Why buy a Tangfolio just to save a few bucks. One year ago I paid $500.00 for a brand new CZ-75B in 9mm,,, At that time the Tangfolio (EAA Witness) was $419.00,,, Not enough difference to justify buying a copy. Now, having said that,,, I've almost talked myself into buying,,, An EAA (Imported Tangfolio) 9mm/22 LR combo. It's not like I even need another 9mm pistol,,, But I could use another quality .22,,, For $400.00 it's hard to beat. Aarond __________________ Never ever give an enemy the advantage of a verbal threat. Caje: The coward dies a thousand times, the brave only once. Kirby: That's about all it takes, ain't it? Aarond is good,,, Aarond is wise,,, Always trust Aarond! (most of the time)

July 14, 2011, 11:12 AM	#11
aarondhgraham Senior Member Join Date: December 1, 2009 Location: Stillwater, OKlahoma Posts: 8,638	Pics of a Wonderful and Harmonious Universe,,, Here ya go,,, Tmava Zena (Dire Woman),,, Mala Sestra (Little Sister). The only difference is that the .22 has adjustable rear sights. Flawless performers they are. Aarond __________________ Never ever give an enemy the advantage of a verbal threat. Caje: The coward dies a thousand times, the brave only once. Kirby: That's about all it takes, ain't it? Aarond is good,,, Aarond is wise,,, Always trust Aarond! (most of the time) Last edited by aarondhgraham; July 14, 2011 at 02:38 PM.

July 14, 2011, 08:17 AM	#2
chris in va Senior Member Join Date: December 26, 2004 Location: Louisville KY Posts: 13,806	Just a 'regular' 75B at my LGS runs about $480. If I were you (and I have a 75BD), I'd try and find a used one as the trigger will be considerably smoothed out. New SA trigger pulls tend to have some 'grit' that takes a couple hundred cycles/dry fires to calm down. You won't regret getting either a PCR/PO1 or full size, just keep in mind the compacts have a slightly shorter grip and my little finger was halfway on the magazine. Also keep in mind the 75B is all-steel, unlike the 92FS or the 229 you mentioned. It's pretty heavy for carry.

July 14, 2011, 08:42 AM	#3
Pilot Senior Member Join Date: December 21, 2000 Posts: 4,193	I have the full size 75B, and compact alloy framed PCR which I carry. They are both reliable and very accurate. They both accept the .22LR Kadet conversion kit. The EAA/Tangfolio Witness is a copy of the CZ-75 design. The Browning Hi Power has nothing to do with either the CZ, nor Witness design.

July 14, 2011, 10:34 AM	#7
C0untZer0 Junior member Join Date: April 21, 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,555	The design for the Browning High-Power originated over 100 years ago. Beautiful pistol. Here are 3 threads that go over the subject: http://thefiringline.com/forums/show...light=browning http://thefiringline.com/forums/show...light=browning http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=455821

July 14, 2011, 10:35 AM	#8
MC 1911 Senior Member Join Date: February 19, 2011 Location: Virginia Posts: 419	Actually my CZ24 was made in 1926.

July 14, 2011, 10:39 AM	#9
C0untZer0 Junior member Join Date: April 21, 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,555	If only CZ made an exact replica of their great 75B pistol in .22LR... then everything would be so wonderful, the universe would be at harmony with itself and I could finally be happy...

July 14, 2011, 11:29 AM	#12
Neal_G. Senior Member Join Date: October 1, 2010 Posts: 228	The full size 75B will likely feel great in your hand, but it is a large, heavy carry option. You will have to get a high quality gun belt and holster to make it comfortable to carry. Thats nothing new to lots of the 1911 guys who require the same thing to carry a fullsize model too, just want to highlight that it's a different proposition then carrying something like a Glock 26. I actually purchased the steel/alloy CZ75 PCR compact for carry, which is supposed to be the optimum carry CZ compact. It's a fantastic gun, but I was actually looking for the standard 75C compact, which is all steel with a manual safety, and couldn't find one. Now in a month I'll be looking to get either that standard acompact, or maybe a fullsize SP-01. For range or HD work you can't really go wrong with any of the fullsize CZ's though. For carry I'd have to give the nod to the PCR, P-01, and Rami line.

July 14, 2011, 11:43 AM	#13
C0untZer0 Junior member Join Date: April 21, 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,555	Sweet baby Jehosaphat Glock almighty !!! Now my life is truly complete ! If only I had the cash to actually buy those...

July 14, 2011, 11:54 AM	#14
TunnelRat Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2011 Posts: 12,423	By the way, I was raised to think that was staring was rude, so don't look at it too hard. Sigh, now I want to get a CZ. Thanks a bunch! __________________ Know the status of your weapon Keep your muzzle oriented so that no one will be hurt if the firearm discharges Keep your finger off the trigger until you have an adequate sight picture Maintain situational awareness

July 14, 2011, 12:12 PM	#15
Amin Parker Senior Member Join Date: August 19, 2010 Posts: 1,118	My opinion is that if you look at accuracy, reliability and durability, the cz 75 is the best modern double action 9mm in the world. Spending years doing competitive shooting, i have seen the cz 75 pistol outlive every other brand of 9mm. I always say, you cannot buy a better 9mm at twice the price.

July 14, 2011, 01:30 PM	#16
GURU1911 Senior Member Join Date: December 22, 2010 Location: SEALY, THE REPUBLIC OF TEXAS Posts: 501	The cz-75b pistol Other than the 1911a1 .45 acp pistol, the cz-75 was col. Jeff cooper's second choice for a carry pistol. It can be carried cocked & locked like a 1911 or the first shot could be trigger-fired double-action, with the hammer in the down position. The cz-75b had cooper's personal blessing & he seldom was wrong with his ideas----purchase it with confidence. Guru1911

July 14, 2011, 02:04 PM	#17
Martowski Senior Member Join Date: January 31, 2000 Location: Texas (By Way of Illinois) Posts: 1,378	Okay, I'll play. My stock CZ-75b (I have since replaced the hard plastic grips with CZ factory rubber grips). I do like the gun, but just do not yet feel I've hit my stride with it in terms of comfort. But I will say that the quantitative data shows this is one of the more accurate handguns I own (in my hands). __________________ Midwestern Ramblings (my amateur firearms blog): http://martowski.wordpress.com/

July 14, 2011, 02:23 PM	#18
TunnelRat Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2011 Posts: 12,423	Oh that brings up a good point. For the love of all that is holy, get rid of the plastic grips. More specifically, replace them with the factory rubber grips when you can. It gives the gun a MUCH better feel. Idk how much extra it would cost CZ, but they should just come that way. __________________ Know the status of your weapon Keep your muzzle oriented so that no one will be hurt if the firearm discharges Keep your finger off the trigger until you have an adequate sight picture Maintain situational awareness

July 14, 2011, 02:28 PM	#19
UZO Senior Member Join Date: April 13, 2011 Location: Ohio Posts: 132	CZs are EXCELLENT pistols!!... Have several and IMHO their TWO BEST are the 75B and the P-01!... Let the collection begin... you won't be disappointed!! Also, ditto TunnelRat... Rubber Grips on ALL!!

July 14, 2011, 02:32 PM	#20
TunnelRat Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2011 Posts: 12,423	@ UZO Do you carry the P-01? Looks like a nice size. __________________ Know the status of your weapon Keep your muzzle oriented so that no one will be hurt if the firearm discharges Keep your finger off the trigger until you have an adequate sight picture Maintain situational awareness

July 14, 2011, 02:37 PM	#21
vyse.04 Senior Member Join Date: February 10, 2011 Location: Virginia Posts: 685	Just keep in mind that if you want to carry a compact CZ with the hammer back and safety engaged, look for a CZ75 Compact. Most of their compact models come with a decocker unless you decide to shop at CZCustom.com .

July 14, 2011, 03:14 PM	#22
Chase1848 Junior Member Join Date: April 26, 2010 Posts: 3	I own the CZ-75 SP-01 and it's awesome. It's incredibly accurate, never jams (it fires Silver Bear all day long), and everyone who shoots it falls in love. I especially like how it fits the hand. I recommend getting a 9MM snap cap and using that to smooth the trigger.

July 14, 2011, 03:20 PM	#23
C0untZer0 Junior member Join Date: April 21, 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,555	I think I asked this before but I can't find where I asked it. Does anyone know how the SA only trigger is different from the DA/SA - in SA mode (hammer cocked) ? I have heard the triggers feel different.

July 14, 2011, 03:24 PM	#24
Amin Parker Senior Member Join Date: August 19, 2010 Posts: 1,118	I own 4 cz pistols and highly recommend them. 2 cz 75Bs, one cz 75 preB, and one cz 70. I really have a high opinion of the brand.

July 14, 2011, 03:34 PM	#25
Mr.Blue Junior member Join Date: May 30, 2011 Location: SE Wisconsin & Long Island, NY Posts: 418	Unless you have the cash to buy multiple CZ's shortly thereafter, I wouldn't get it. After buying my first CZ about two months ago, I am picking up my 4th tomorrow. It will be 5 when I find a CZ 97BD for a good price.