Don't you hate it when something is 95% "right"

wogpotter · March 31, 2011, 12:11 PM

When for so little extra effort it could have been 100% right instead?

I just got a Hogue monogrip in Pau Ferro for my Dan Wesson 15-2. The wood is gorgeous as is the fit & finish, but the grip screw is a slotted head that is smaller than the original hex head screw.

Why?
Because the hole drilled into the wood is undersized so the original won't fit!

(I wish someone had taken the little extra effort to let the original screw be used as in the DW design it's possible to bind up the mainspring with a grip screw that is "off") For those unfamiliar with the DW design the grip is attached with a single hex bolt running up from the base of the grip into the tang of the frame & is adjusted with one of the hex keys on the barrel nut wrench.

Nit picking, yeah probably, but now I have to have another tool in the pistol bag when I go to the range.

Mosin44az · April 1, 2011, 01:42 AM

I bought a set of Hogue wood grips for a CZ 75 last year. Took 3 hours of sanding to get them to fit right. Much less than 95% there, in my opinion.

HKFan9 · April 1, 2011, 02:20 AM

why not just make the hole a little wider to use your original, a dremel would have it done in no time.

wogpotter · April 1, 2011, 09:25 AM

Sorry to hear you had such a problem fitting to the CZ the fit on mine was darn near perfect!

I actually thought about dremeling the hole & I may yet, but till I get a chance to actually fire with them I don't want to do anything to void the warranty as I may not like them having bought them mail-order.

I'll probably re-drill them in a press, as the DWs are really finicky about grip screw depth & the increase in size is substantial (.276" to 0.374") I have to look out for the depth and the diameter & I think I'll get better control with a drill press & it's hard stop on depth.

a7mmnut · April 1, 2011, 10:04 AM

Why not just turn down the screw head? If you reload, hold it in a collet in your case trimmer and turn it against a rough file. If not, do the same thing with a drill. If the hex opening may get too close to the outside diameter, try a low head screw with the smaller hex. Just pondering....

-7-

EdInk · April 1, 2011, 10:11 AM

Just use the flathead screw.

Tuzo · April 1, 2011, 10:32 AM

We live our lives using two primary logical arguments. First is Aristotelian logic which answers right or wrong, on or off, yes and no. The syllogism is a result of this. Processors in nearly every appliance and computer use this type of logic (digital 0 or 1).

The second is fuzzy logic. Or as a good friend of mine calls it "fluffy" logic. Implying that most of our decisions are based not on yes or no but on pieces of yes and pieces no. Hence the 95% right premise.

We use fuzzy logic constantly. For example, assessing risk in term of chance to success or failure. Using tobacco is a risk that users gauge in fuzzy logic thinking that it may or may not be harmful in varying degrees.

odoh · April 1, 2011, 11:36 AM

Yrs ago, bought a hogue one-piece lamo camo for my SBH that had too much slack at the gripframe interface. Complained and they sent me a worse fitting one. Told myself I'll saw it in two and relaminate ~ that was 15yrs ago, still setting in the garage waiting for a round tuit.

March 31, 2011, 12:11 PM	#1
wogpotter Senior Member Join Date: September 27, 2004 Posts: 4,811	Don't you hate it when something is 95% "right" When for so little extra effort it could have been 100% right instead? I just got a Hogue monogrip in Pau Ferro for my Dan Wesson 15-2. The wood is gorgeous as is the fit & finish, but the grip screw is a slotted head that is smaller than the original hex head screw. Why? Because the hole drilled into the wood is undersized so the original won't fit! (I wish someone had taken the little extra effort to let the original screw be used as in the DW design it's possible to bind up the mainspring with a grip screw that is "off") For those unfamiliar with the DW design the grip is attached with a single hex bolt running up from the base of the grip into the tang of the frame & is adjusted with one of the hex keys on the barrel nut wrench. Nit picking, yeah probably, but now I have to have another tool in the pistol bag when I go to the range.

April 1, 2011, 10:32 AM	#7
Tuzo Senior Member Join Date: June 14, 2007 Location: Louisiana Posts: 797	95% right 5% wrong - logic We live our lives using two primary logical arguments. First is Aristotelian logic which answers right or wrong, on or off, yes and no. The syllogism is a result of this. Processors in nearly every appliance and computer use this type of logic (digital 0 or 1). The second is fuzzy logic. Or as a good friend of mine calls it "fluffy" logic. Implying that most of our decisions are based not on yes or no but on pieces of yes and pieces no. Hence the 95% right premise. We use fuzzy logic constantly. For example, assessing risk in term of chance to success or failure. Using tobacco is a risk that users gauge in fuzzy logic thinking that it may or may not be harmful in varying degrees.

April 1, 2011, 01:42 AM	#2
Mosin44az Senior Member Join Date: January 15, 2006 Posts: 2,627	I bought a set of Hogue wood grips for a CZ 75 last year. Took 3 hours of sanding to get them to fit right. Much less than 95% there, in my opinion.

April 1, 2011, 02:20 AM	#3
HKFan9 Senior Member Join Date: May 3, 2008 Posts: 3,057	why not just make the hole a little wider to use your original, a dremel would have it done in no time.

April 1, 2011, 09:25 AM	#4
wogpotter Senior Member Join Date: September 27, 2004 Posts: 4,811	Sorry to hear you had such a problem fitting to the CZ the fit on mine was darn near perfect! I actually thought about dremeling the hole & I may yet, but till I get a chance to actually fire with them I don't want to do anything to void the warranty as I may not like them having bought them mail-order. I'll probably re-drill them in a press, as the DWs are really finicky about grip screw depth & the increase in size is substantial (.276" to 0.374") I have to look out for the depth and the diameter & I think I'll get better control with a drill press & it's hard stop on depth.

April 1, 2011, 10:04 AM	#5
a7mmnut Junior member Join Date: February 27, 2009 Location: NC Foothills Posts: 1,150	Why not just turn down the screw head? If you reload, hold it in a collet in your case trimmer and turn it against a rough file. If not, do the same thing with a drill. If the hex opening may get too close to the outside diameter, try a low head screw with the smaller hex. Just pondering.... -7-

April 1, 2011, 10:11 AM	#6
EdInk Senior Member Join Date: May 27, 2009 Posts: 3,968	Just use the flathead screw.

April 1, 2011, 11:36 AM	#8
odoh Member Join Date: May 1, 2008 Location: Boerne, TX Posts: 71	Yrs ago, bought a hogue one-piece lamo camo for my SBH that had too much slack at the gripframe interface. Complained and they sent me a worse fitting one. Told myself I'll saw it in two and relaminate ~ that was 15yrs ago, still setting in the garage waiting for a round tuit.