Has anyone ever bought a more expensive gun that made you appreciate your cheaper gun

greyson97 · February 18, 2010, 12:24 PM

I recently got a Springfield 1911 in 9mm. Its the loaded model with adjustable sights. Before then as main handguns go, I had a glock 22, and beretta px4 9mm. I was heavily favoring the px4, and i was even a pretty good shot with it. But I thought it could be improved on, especially in the realm of ergonomics(grip) and what i thought, trigger

so I got the 9mm 1911. Field stripped it, cleaned and relubed it. out of maybe less than 120 rounds though it, i got 2 failures to return to full battery, had to tap the slide forward, and 1 failure to feed, round plowed into the feed ramp, and a weird issue where the round fed into the chamber, but became detached from the extractor, so i had to rechamber the round by letting the slide close in on it to extract the live round. as for accuracy, i shot it using the same shooting technique as my px4, and i'll attribute break in before i made a final judgement on accuracy.

on the other hand, my px4 has had more than 1500 rounds through it, and it has never had any failure of any kind out of the box.

the SA triggers on both guns are close enough that its not a difference of night and day. I'd say maybe a difference of 1 lb at most.

ScottRiqui · February 18, 2010, 12:37 PM

Yep - my last four new weapon purchases have been a Glock 19, a Remington 870 20-gauge shotgun, a Springfield EMP in .40 S&W and a Walther P22. The only one that worked right out of the box was the Glock.

The Glock was also the first of the four purchases, so at the time I just took it for granted that it worked 100%. I figured it's a brand-new gun (the first I'd ever bought), so why wouldn't it work?

It's only after the later purchases that I came to appreciate the fact the 100% reliability is not a given, no matter how expensive the gun or how reputable the brand.

aarondhgraham · February 18, 2010, 12:43 PM

But it was the other way around for me,,,

A couple of years ago I purchased a taurus Model 82 in .38 special,,,
It was a nice little gun and proved to be a reliable shooter,,,
I paid 175.00 for it used and was never sorry.

Then the next year I found an older S&W Model 10 for 250.00,,,
It was pretty beat up cosmetically but tight mechanically,,,
Wow, what a difference.

The Taurus never felt bad to me,,,
I never thought the trigger was rough or hard,,,
The balance and feel of the gun was never objectionable.

'Till I shot the Model 10,,,

It's not like there were angels singing when I shot the Smith,,,
But you could definitely appreciate the overall difference in quality.

I am not ragging the Taurus,,,
It's a very good handgun.

The Smith is somehow, just a bit ~better~.

ScottRiqui · February 18, 2010, 12:49 PM

I know what you mean about the S&W. I have a 90-year old pre-model 10 that was my carry gun for quite a while. It was my grandfather's, then my father's and now mine. I still take it to the range a few times a month and it's an absolute joy to shoot. As far as my father and I know, It's also never been in the shop.

old bear · February 18, 2010, 12:59 PM

For fear of starting a Taurus Vs the rest of the world debate. I have owned Smith and Wesson revolvers, (M-10, M-12, M-19 X 2, M-27, M-60, and M-66) almost exclusively for 30 plus years and never for one second regretted the decision. During the summer of 2009, for reasons I still don’t understand, decided I could not live without another .357; remember this was about the height of handgun shortage. I checked several of the local gun shops and was disappointed by the selection and even more so with the price of what was offered. My first selection was one of several Smiths all of which were in the $650.00 - $700.00 price range, more money than I wanted to spend if I could help it. On a fluke I checked out a Taurus 617, I had no idea it was a seven shooter until I opened the cylinder. The single action trigger pull felt as good and any of the Smiths and the double action was almost as smooth. At $275.00 less the Taurus was a no brainer for me. Now 700 + rounds later I’m still very happy with my cheap Taurus.

After reading the horror stories other Taurus owners have written about I doubt I would buy another Taurus and not sure I would recommend one to a friend, but hopefully I will keep on enjoying the one I have.

So the moral of this is I bought a less expensive pistol that I have been happy with.

Boarhunter · February 18, 2010, 01:03 PM

Yes, more times than once, which is why I own far more "blue collar" handguns than expensive guns. But it seems that once the "issues" are resolved with the more expensive guns, they often hold up nicely over the long haul (and high round-count).

I too own a Springfield 9mm 1911 (and several Kimber 9mm 1911s), and I will suggest that the combination of 9mm cartridge and 1911 platform is both greatly appealling and occasionally frustrating. The combo makes for a great shooting gun, but feeding can be touchy at times and is almost always mag related. My Springfield is now extremely reliable, accurate, and sweet to shoot, as are the Kimbers. But I have a big bag of mags that make them all fumble when feeding. The mag I have found to be perfectly reliable with all of my 9mm 1911s is the MetalForm 9-round mag with the rounded follower IN 38 SUPER CALIBER.

I don't know why, but the 38 Super mags with the rounded followers work the best, in my experience.

So, I say this: "Yes" is my answer to your question, but if you will work with different mags in the Springfield and get it reliable, you may find it to be a life-long keeper.

Boarhunter

Baphomet · February 18, 2010, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottRiqui

... 100% reliability is not a given, no matter how expensive the gun or how reputable the brand.

Tell me about it. Blew a lot of cash on a fancy Sig P229 in .40 S&W a few years ago...

The Hype: "It's a Sig! Legendary! Reliable as all heck!! w00t!!"

The Reality: 1500 rounds downrange and I still can't get through a single box of ammo without it A) nose-diving a round into the chamber mouth, or B) failing to go fully into battery (requiring a heel of the hand nudge). Arrrgh!!

The Solution: Dropped it like a bad habit. Meanwhile my $500 Springer "Loaded" .45 continues to spit anything and everything I feed it, every time, wet or dry, clean or dirty.

greyson97 · February 18, 2010, 01:15 PM

thanks for the mag advice boarhunter

garddogg56 · February 18, 2010, 01:18 PM

I have been layed off recently and needed some extra cash so I sold my Dan WESSON bought a Hipoint C-9 used, once I got use to it IT HAS BEEN FANTASTIC very good shooter.Better than my Glock.Now I'm looking for a JCP.Still miss my DAN!!wILL GET RID OF MY GLOCK..

stevieboy · February 18, 2010, 01:37 PM

My first handgun was a Smith & Wesson 686. It has performed fantastically for me over the years. It has a great trigger and it is almost unbelievably accurate with just about any ammunition I feed it, .38 or .357.

A few years ago, when Smith came out with its 686SSR I decided I just had to have the gun. The thought of having a 686 that was even "better" than my original 686 made me twitch with anticipation. So, I bought one for more than $300 over what I'd paid for my first 686.

The SSR was a fine gun. It had a nice trigger and it was very accurate. But it did not do ANYTHING better than my original 686. After a few months I sold the SSR and used the money to finance some other gun purchases. I still have the original 686.

Venom1956 · February 18, 2010, 04:47 PM

LoL thats easy.

I bought a CZ .22 Lux... Amazing gun really, then I wanted to build up a 10/22. So after all the aftermarket parts and the 10/22 itself the CZ still puts it to shame. I figured that would happen when I started to build it but it just goes to show.

aarondhgraham · February 18, 2010, 05:22 PM

Because I own three of them and they have all been good performers,,,

What it was, is that my old eyes misread the OP and I responded backwards,,,
I could easily have said that my Models 970 and 990 Taurus (Taurii?),,,
Are better shooters than my more expensive 22 revolvers,,,
'Cause in general they are at least as good,,,
And at half the price.

christcorp · February 18, 2010, 05:41 PM

It is not uncommon for new guns/magazines to have some glitches during a break in period. Not that a break in period is official or stated, just that it's not uncommon.

w_houle · February 18, 2010, 05:51 PM

Quote:

It is not uncommon for new guns/magazines to have some glitches during a break in period. Not that a break in period is official or stated, just that it's not uncommon.

Then someone will chime in that a break in period is a myth and that if it's not flawless, it's crap.
I've just taken to the notion that sometimes the shooter has to adjust himself to how the gun wants to be shot.

BGutzman · February 18, 2010, 07:11 PM

I own 2 Taurus pistols, both are a lot of pistol for what I spent..... However my much more expensive Sig Trumps (Capital T) both of them.. Taurus is great for the money in my experience but above a certain price point it just doesn't matter.

Im sure the day will come when it happens but not so far.

TriumphGuy · February 18, 2010, 07:21 PM

Had the opposite happen. I bought a Henry .22 and wasn't impressed at all with the thing. Sold it at a gun show and bought an old Marlin 39 Mountie the same trip. What a difference. I can pop a starling at 75 yards with it 9/10 shots.

Kreyzhorse · February 18, 2010, 08:26 PM

Nope, but I bought a cheap gun, a Taurus M85 bought NIB that froze up around 250 rounds that made me appreciate the merits of a more expensive gun, my S&W 637.

The way I see it, replacing that Taurus cost me not only the price of a new S&W 637 but I also lost roughly half of what the Taurus cost me on a trade in.

It was an expensive lesson, but one well learned.

rodfac · February 18, 2010, 09:52 PM

Nope...Rodfac...

TBT · February 18, 2010, 10:30 PM

I usually have good experiences with the more expensive guns and the less as well. But honestly it seems to me that for what they do if you are paying between $500 and $1000 they are all pretty equal. Love my SW1911 as much as my Glock 19 and I love my M&P9 more than both of those. Didn't like my SIG P226, guess you could say I was disappointed in that one. Shooting a P226 would make me appreciate my Glock or my M&P I guess. Dunno.

Boats · February 18, 2010, 11:34 PM

I had an HK USP45c that has made me better appreciate just about any other handgun, for everything I have owned before or since has had a much better trigger than that kludgey piece of overengineered crap.

HK is a friggin' money making racket run by non-shooters in my estimation. I'll keep on trusting the Americans, Italians, and the upper crust Brazilians rather than drink that overpriced and overhyped German kool-aid again.

Webleymkv · February 19, 2010, 12:31 AM

I guess I've been fortunate in that I've never really had a "bad" gun. I certainly have some that I like better than others, but all of them I've bought (prices ranging from $120 to just shy of $700) have met if not exceeded my expectations.

dabigguns357 · February 19, 2010, 01:57 AM

No because i refuse to pay full retail price for any gun,and all my guns are great but were bought at great prices.

Sig 229 (357 Sig)cpo 475.00
S&W 686 4 inch used 350.00
Glock 22 used 330.00
Glock 23 nib 475.00
S&W 4006 used 275.00
S&W 5906 used 250.00
S&W 6906 lnib 275.00
Rossi m677 used 125.00

mossberg 500 12g with rifled slug barrel 169.00 nib
marlin model 60 .22 lr nib 137.00

All my guns are really great and reliable,and i didn't spend an arm and a leg.

Borch · February 19, 2010, 10:44 AM

Every time I go to the range and see the same group of guys with their top of the line HK's and 1911's all decked out with accessories that probably cost at least twice as much as my Glock w/o that stuff. I appreciate my Glock in these times because I shoot all 10x with it and it never fails while these guys are all over the place and no matter how many times I see them they never seem to get better.

The best equipment in the world can't make you good if you don't do your homework and use/practice proper shooting technique.

christcorp · February 19, 2010, 10:58 AM

My answer is no. Mainly because I've never bought a gun that I didn't research and learn about ahead of time. I knew what I was getting and whether or not it was going to be a good gun for me. I've NEVER bought a gun on impulse. Even when I bought inexpensive guns like a Hi-Point, I researched it for a while. And then, when the opportunity presented itself, I knew already what I was buying. This includes handling, feeling, dry firing, etc... such guns during the learning process. I appreciate every gun that I've bought. Whether it's my SA 1911A1, Kimber, Dan Wesson, S&W, CZ, Walther, or all my other guns.... down to my lowly Hi-Point that some people look down on. I appreciate and enjoy each of them all for their purpose. I've lowered the number of guns I now have. Down to about 20 guns. But I have a purpose for each gun. And because of that, I can appreciate each gun for it's purpose and uniquness.

I will say however that I do on occasion buy guns for the soul purpose of using them as trading material. I.e. I picked up a glock 27 in 40sw a couple months ago that someone needed money for, and the pawn shop was going to rape him. I couldn't do much better, but at least I didn't use a handful of sand on him. Anyway, the gun is too small for me to handle and I don't care for 40sw at all, so I held onto it for about a month and unloaded it. I never even shot it. That's the closest I've come to having a gun that I didn't thoroughly research and know what I was getting.

Skans · February 19, 2010, 11:05 AM

I've got a custom .45 built on an STI 2011 frame. I'm not all that happy with it. I think the hammer was overworked and it randomly drops to half-cock when trigger is pressed occasionally.

Maybe if I paid a couple hundred dollars to get it fixed, I'd like it better....but I doubt it. It fits nicely in my hand and I thought that having a double-stack .45 that fit my hand nicely would be a good thing.

After farting around with this gun I have to say that this has been a major factor in my luke-warm disposition toward 1911 based guns. It's not so much that I can't get this one to work properly. It's that it fiddling with it, I just don't care that much for the design or some of the parts, like the leaf spring and those that interact with the leafspring. It also seems that the trigger has some "wobble" - very slight, but it just doesn't feel as solid as the trigner on my Hi Power. Different design, I know.

February 18, 2010, 12:24 PM	#1
greyson97 Senior Member Join Date: June 29, 2009 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 1,284	Has anyone ever bought a more expensive gun that made you appreciate your cheaper gun I recently got a Springfield 1911 in 9mm. Its the loaded model with adjustable sights. Before then as main handguns go, I had a glock 22, and beretta px4 9mm. I was heavily favoring the px4, and i was even a pretty good shot with it. But I thought it could be improved on, especially in the realm of ergonomics(grip) and what i thought, trigger so I got the 9mm 1911. Field stripped it, cleaned and relubed it. out of maybe less than 120 rounds though it, i got 2 failures to return to full battery, had to tap the slide forward, and 1 failure to feed, round plowed into the feed ramp, and a weird issue where the round fed into the chamber, but became detached from the extractor, so i had to rechamber the round by letting the slide close in on it to extract the live round. as for accuracy, i shot it using the same shooting technique as my px4, and i'll attribute break in before i made a final judgement on accuracy. on the other hand, my px4 has had more than 1500 rounds through it, and it has never had any failure of any kind out of the box. the SA triggers on both guns are close enough that its not a difference of night and day. I'd say maybe a difference of 1 lb at most.

February 18, 2010, 12:43 PM	#3
aarondhgraham Senior Member Join Date: December 1, 2009 Location: Stillwater, OKlahoma Posts: 8,638	But of course,,, But it was the other way around for me,,, A couple of years ago I purchased a taurus Model 82 in .38 special,,, It was a nice little gun and proved to be a reliable shooter,,, I paid 175.00 for it used and was never sorry. Then the next year I found an older S&W Model 10 for 250.00,,, It was pretty beat up cosmetically but tight mechanically,,, Wow, what a difference. The Taurus never felt bad to me,,, I never thought the trigger was rough or hard,,, The balance and feel of the gun was never objectionable. 'Till I shot the Model 10,,, It's not like there were angels singing when I shot the Smith,,, But you could definitely appreciate the overall difference in quality. I am not ragging the Taurus,,, It's a very good handgun. The Smith is somehow, just a bit ~better~. __________________ Never ever give an enemy the advantage of a verbal threat. Caje: The coward dies a thousand times, the brave only once. Kirby: That's about all it takes, ain't it? Aarond is good,,, Aarond is wise,,, Always trust Aarond! (most of the time)

February 18, 2010, 01:18 PM	#9
garddogg56 Junior Member Join Date: February 18, 2010 Posts: 6	I have been layed off recently and needed some extra cash so I sold my Dan WESSON bought a Hipoint C-9 used, once I got use to it IT HAS BEEN FANTASTIC very good shooter.Better than my Glock.Now I'm looking for a JCP.Still miss my DAN!!wILL GET RID OF MY GLOCK.. Last edited by garddogg56; February 18, 2010 at 01:22 PM. Reason: ADD

February 18, 2010, 05:22 PM	#12
aarondhgraham Senior Member Join Date: December 1, 2009 Location: Stillwater, OKlahoma Posts: 8,638	I didn't mean to bash Taurus either,,, Because I own three of them and they have all been good performers,,, What it was, is that my old eyes misread the OP and I responded backwards,,, I could easily have said that my Models 970 and 990 Taurus (Taurii?),,, Are better shooters than my more expensive 22 revolvers,,, 'Cause in general they are at least as good,,, And at half the price. __________________ Never ever give an enemy the advantage of a verbal threat. Caje: The coward dies a thousand times, the brave only once. Kirby: That's about all it takes, ain't it? Aarond is good,,, Aarond is wise,,, Always trust Aarond! (most of the time)

February 18, 2010, 08:26 PM	#17
Kreyzhorse Senior Member Join Date: April 12, 2006 Location: NKY Posts: 12,464	Nope, but I bought a cheap gun, a Taurus M85 bought NIB that froze up around 250 rounds that made me appreciate the merits of a more expensive gun, my S&W 637. The way I see it, replacing that Taurus cost me not only the price of a new S&W 637 but I also lost roughly half of what the Taurus cost me on a trade in. It was an expensive lesson, but one well learned. __________________ "He who laughs last, laughs dead." Homer Simpson

February 18, 2010, 12:37 PM	#2
ScottRiqui Senior Member Join Date: January 27, 2010 Location: Norfolk, VA Posts: 2,905	Yep - my last four new weapon purchases have been a Glock 19, a Remington 870 20-gauge shotgun, a Springfield EMP in .40 S&W and a Walther P22. The only one that worked right out of the box was the Glock. The Glock was also the first of the four purchases, so at the time I just took it for granted that it worked 100%. I figured it's a brand-new gun (the first I'd ever bought), so why wouldn't it work? It's only after the later purchases that I came to appreciate the fact the 100% reliability is not a given, no matter how expensive the gun or how reputable the brand.

February 18, 2010, 12:49 PM	#4
ScottRiqui Senior Member Join Date: January 27, 2010 Location: Norfolk, VA Posts: 2,905	I know what you mean about the S&W. I have a 90-year old pre-model 10 that was my carry gun for quite a while. It was my grandfather's, then my father's and now mine. I still take it to the range a few times a month and it's an absolute joy to shoot. As far as my father and I know, It's also never been in the shop.

February 18, 2010, 12:59 PM	#5
old bear Senior Member Join Date: November 3, 2009 Location: Not close enough to the beach Posts: 1,477	For fear of starting a Taurus Vs the rest of the world debate. I have owned Smith and Wesson revolvers, (M-10, M-12, M-19 X 2, M-27, M-60, and M-66) almost exclusively for 30 plus years and never for one second regretted the decision. During the summer of 2009, for reasons I still don’t understand, decided I could not live without another .357; remember this was about the height of handgun shortage. I checked several of the local gun shops and was disappointed by the selection and even more so with the price of what was offered. My first selection was one of several Smiths all of which were in the $650.00 - $700.00 price range, more money than I wanted to spend if I could help it. On a fluke I checked out a Taurus 617, I had no idea it was a seven shooter until I opened the cylinder. The single action trigger pull felt as good and any of the Smiths and the double action was almost as smooth. At $275.00 less the Taurus was a no brainer for me. Now 700 + rounds later I’m still very happy with my cheap Taurus. After reading the horror stories other Taurus owners have written about I doubt I would buy another Taurus and not sure I would recommend one to a friend, but hopefully I will keep on enjoying the one I have. So the moral of this is I bought a less expensive pistol that I have been happy with.

February 18, 2010, 01:03 PM	#6
Boarhunter Senior Member Join Date: June 28, 2005 Location: Huntsville, Alabama Posts: 526	Yes, more times than once, which is why I own far more "blue collar" handguns than expensive guns. But it seems that once the "issues" are resolved with the more expensive guns, they often hold up nicely over the long haul (and high round-count). I too own a Springfield 9mm 1911 (and several Kimber 9mm 1911s), and I will suggest that the combination of 9mm cartridge and 1911 platform is both greatly appealling and occasionally frustrating. The combo makes for a great shooting gun, but feeding can be touchy at times and is almost always mag related. My Springfield is now extremely reliable, accurate, and sweet to shoot, as are the Kimbers. But I have a big bag of mags that make them all fumble when feeding. The mag I have found to be perfectly reliable with all of my 9mm 1911s is the MetalForm 9-round mag with the rounded follower IN 38 SUPER CALIBER. I don't know why, but the 38 Super mags with the rounded followers work the best, in my experience. So, I say this: "Yes" is my answer to your question, but if you will work with different mags in the Springfield and get it reliable, you may find it to be a life-long keeper. Boarhunter

February 18, 2010, 01:15 PM	#8
greyson97 Senior Member Join Date: June 29, 2009 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 1,284	thanks for the mag advice boarhunter

February 18, 2010, 01:37 PM	#10
stevieboy Senior Member Join Date: March 14, 2008 Posts: 1,695	My first handgun was a Smith & Wesson 686. It has performed fantastically for me over the years. It has a great trigger and it is almost unbelievably accurate with just about any ammunition I feed it, .38 or .357. A few years ago, when Smith came out with its 686SSR I decided I just had to have the gun. The thought of having a 686 that was even "better" than my original 686 made me twitch with anticipation. So, I bought one for more than $300 over what I'd paid for my first 686. The SSR was a fine gun. It had a nice trigger and it was very accurate. But it did not do ANYTHING better than my original 686. After a few months I sold the SSR and used the money to finance some other gun purchases. I still have the original 686.

February 18, 2010, 04:47 PM	#11
Venom1956 Senior Member Join Date: October 4, 2008 Location: WI Posts: 3,656	LoL thats easy. I bought a CZ .22 Lux... Amazing gun really, then I wanted to build up a 10/22. So after all the aftermarket parts and the 10/22 itself the CZ still puts it to shame. I figured that would happen when I started to build it but it just goes to show.

February 18, 2010, 05:41 PM	#13
christcorp Senior Member Join Date: June 4, 2007 Location: Cheyenne, Wyoming Posts: 1,111	It is not uncommon for new guns/magazines to have some glitches during a break in period. Not that a break in period is official or stated, just that it's not uncommon.

February 18, 2010, 07:11 PM	#15
BGutzman Senior Member Join Date: December 4, 2009 Location: Frozen Tundra Posts: 2,414	I own 2 Taurus pistols, both are a lot of pistol for what I spent..... However my much more expensive Sig Trumps (Capital T) both of them.. Taurus is great for the money in my experience but above a certain price point it just doesn't matter. Im sure the day will come when it happens but not so far.

February 18, 2010, 07:21 PM	#16
TriumphGuy Senior Member Join Date: October 5, 2009 Posts: 559	Had the opposite happen. I bought a Henry .22 and wasn't impressed at all with the thing. Sold it at a gun show and bought an old Marlin 39 Mountie the same trip. What a difference. I can pop a starling at 75 yards with it 9/10 shots.

February 18, 2010, 09:52 PM	#18
rodfac Senior Member Join Date: January 22, 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,657	Nope...Rodfac... __________________ Cherish our flag, honor it, defend it in word and deed, or get the hell out. Our Bill of Rights has been paid for by heros in uniform and shall not be diluted by misguided governmental social experiments. We owe this to our children, anything less is cowardice. USAF FAC, 5th Spl Forces, Vietnam Vet '69-'73.

February 18, 2010, 10:30 PM	#19
TBT Senior Member Join Date: January 24, 2005 Location: Pittsburgh Pa Posts: 971	I usually have good experiences with the more expensive guns and the less as well. But honestly it seems to me that for what they do if you are paying between $500 and $1000 they are all pretty equal. Love my SW1911 as much as my Glock 19 and I love my M&P9 more than both of those. Didn't like my SIG P226, guess you could say I was disappointed in that one. Shooting a P226 would make me appreciate my Glock or my M&P I guess. Dunno.

February 18, 2010, 11:34 PM	#20
Boats Junior member Join Date: September 15, 2002 Location: Oregon Posts: 964	I had an HK USP45c that has made me better appreciate just about any other handgun, for everything I have owned before or since has had a much better trigger than that kludgey piece of overengineered crap. HK is a friggin' money making racket run by non-shooters in my estimation. I'll keep on trusting the Americans, Italians, and the upper crust Brazilians rather than drink that overpriced and overhyped German kool-aid again.

February 19, 2010, 12:31 AM	#21
Webleymkv Senior Member Join Date: July 20, 2005 Location: Indiana Posts: 10,610	I guess I've been fortunate in that I've never really had a "bad" gun. I certainly have some that I like better than others, but all of them I've bought (prices ranging from $120 to just shy of $700) have met if not exceeded my expectations.

February 19, 2010, 01:57 AM	#22
dabigguns357 Senior Member Join Date: May 3, 2008 Location: Ona,West Virginia Posts: 1,215	No because i refuse to pay full retail price for any gun,and all my guns are great but were bought at great prices. Sig 229 (357 Sig)cpo 475.00 S&W 686 4 inch used 350.00 Glock 22 used 330.00 Glock 23 nib 475.00 S&W 4006 used 275.00 S&W 5906 used 250.00 S&W 6906 lnib 275.00 Rossi m677 used 125.00 mossberg 500 12g with rifled slug barrel 169.00 nib marlin model 60 .22 lr nib 137.00 All my guns are really great and reliable,and i didn't spend an arm and a leg.

February 19, 2010, 10:44 AM	#23
Borch Senior Member Join Date: July 28, 2008 Location: Minnesota Posts: 202	Every time I go to the range and see the same group of guys with their top of the line HK's and 1911's all decked out with accessories that probably cost at least twice as much as my Glock w/o that stuff. I appreciate my Glock in these times because I shoot all 10x with it and it never fails while these guys are all over the place and no matter how many times I see them they never seem to get better. The best equipment in the world can't make you good if you don't do your homework and use/practice proper shooting technique.

February 19, 2010, 10:58 AM	#24
christcorp Senior Member Join Date: June 4, 2007 Location: Cheyenne, Wyoming Posts: 1,111	My answer is no. Mainly because I've never bought a gun that I didn't research and learn about ahead of time. I knew what I was getting and whether or not it was going to be a good gun for me. I've NEVER bought a gun on impulse. Even when I bought inexpensive guns like a Hi-Point, I researched it for a while. And then, when the opportunity presented itself, I knew already what I was buying. This includes handling, feeling, dry firing, etc... such guns during the learning process. I appreciate every gun that I've bought. Whether it's my SA 1911A1, Kimber, Dan Wesson, S&W, CZ, Walther, or all my other guns.... down to my lowly Hi-Point that some people look down on. I appreciate and enjoy each of them all for their purpose. I've lowered the number of guns I now have. Down to about 20 guns. But I have a purpose for each gun. And because of that, I can appreciate each gun for it's purpose and uniquness. I will say however that I do on occasion buy guns for the soul purpose of using them as trading material. I.e. I picked up a glock 27 in 40sw a couple months ago that someone needed money for, and the pawn shop was going to rape him. I couldn't do much better, but at least I didn't use a handful of sand on him. Anyway, the gun is too small for me to handle and I don't care for 40sw at all, so I held onto it for about a month and unloaded it. I never even shot it. That's the closest I've come to having a gun that I didn't thoroughly research and know what I was getting.

February 19, 2010, 11:05 AM	#25
Skans Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2008 Posts: 11,332	I've got a custom .45 built on an STI 2011 frame. I'm not all that happy with it. I think the hammer was overworked and it randomly drops to half-cock when trigger is pressed occasionally. Maybe if I paid a couple hundred dollars to get it fixed, I'd like it better....but I doubt it. It fits nicely in my hand and I thought that having a double-stack .45 that fit my hand nicely would be a good thing. After farting around with this gun I have to say that this has been a major factor in my luke-warm disposition toward 1911 based guns. It's not so much that I can't get this one to work properly. It's that it fiddling with it, I just don't care that much for the design or some of the parts, like the leaf spring and those that interact with the leafspring. It also seems that the trigger has some "wobble" - very slight, but it just doesn't feel as solid as the trigner on my Hi Power. Different design, I know.