sorry boss

[jimmyjohnsonjr]

Tell you what jimmyjohnsonjr, when you get the period and enter key fixed on your keyboard so you can make some normal sentences and paragraphs, we'll be glad to allow you to post on TFL, but not until then........... I'm not all that good with the computer my granson has been teaching me I have also been out of school for so long I'm not even good at spelling & the rest you sound angry also so I will limit my posts I really dont even know what you mean but when my granson comes over I will show him what you wrote its a old computer he rigged up fpr me ..........

[Stevie-Ray]

Tell you what jimmyjohnsonjr, when you get the period and enter key fixed on your keyboard so you can make some normal sentences and paragraphs, we'll be glad to allow you to post on TFL, but not until then...........

Whoa, that's a little heavy-handed if a moderator told you that. Just make an effort at punctuation, as it makes the reading far better for everybody. Take your time and above all, have fun with this.

Gee whiz, guys.

[Don H]

Post referred to: http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=387473

And probably something that should be discussed with the mods via PM. In any event, this is the wrong forum.

[sserdlihc]

Hey JJJ! We just want you to use some punctuation at the end of your sentences. There isn't anything wrong with your computer. The mod was just saying that because you don't use the punctuation keys when you need to. I believe it was their attempt at humor and to politely tell you to use punctuation.

For example,

I'm not all that good with the computer my granson has been teaching me I have also been out of school for so long I'm not even good at spelling & the rest you sound angry also so I will limit my posts I really dont even know what you mean but when my granson comes over I will show him what you wrote its a old computer he rigged up fpr me ..........

The above is not a sentence but a bunch of thoughts piled in on each other.

You could have wrote it this way with a little punctuation. Of course, this is just my opinion.

I'm not all that good with the computer. My grandson has been teaching me. I have been out of school for so long, I'm not good at spelling. The rest of you sound angry. So, I will limit my posts. I really don't know what you mean but when my grandson comes over I will show him what you wrote. It's an old computer he rigged up for me.

We don't want you to limit your posts. We just want you to use a little punctuation. We also would like for you to start a new paragragh when your stream of thought changes. Before you hit "Submit Reply" hit "Preview Post" and read through what you have written. You can make changes and correct anything before you post.

I am just trying to help you out here fella. Glad to have you here on TFL!!

[Brian Pfleuger]

Changed my mind....

[Atroxus]

The mod was just saying that because you don't use the punctuation keys when you need to. I believe it was their attempt at humor and to politely tell you to use punctuation.

Granted that was a hard block of text to read in the closed thread. Personally I didn't see anything humorous or polite in the mod's post, and agree that it was a bit heavy handed.

Jimmy, I hope you stick around long enough to start using better punctuation though. As others have said it makes it a lot easier to decipher what you are saying.

[gyvel]

Tell you what jimmyjohnsonjr, when you get the period and enter key fixed on your keyboard so you can make some normal sentences and paragraphs, we'll be glad to allow you to post on TFL, but not until then.

Closed.

And this is the moderator's reply before he locked the thread.

[Mal H]

It might have been a bit heavy handed, but it was necessary, and I was not making any attempt at humor. We tried to get his attention to improve the readability of his posts when a mod spent a lot of time editing his first post in this thread: http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...d.php?t=387347

And of course there was this one that was closed earlier due to an unreadable post: http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...d.php?t=387342

Folks we do not stand idly by while unreadable posts start peppering TFL. We even have a forum rule specifically covering that problem: Rule #4.

Our intent is not to turn any contributor away from TFL, but to improve the board overall, and the readability of threads and posts in particular.

[Otis311]

This is part of the learning curve on forums. Every newb creates numerous new threads before they realize the error of their ways. It's just that these new threads are exceptional in the fact that they are painful to read.

[sserdlihc]

I stand corrected. You weren't being humorus.

[Brian Pfleuger]

This is part of the learning curve on forums. Every newb creates numerous new threads before they realize the error of their ways.

Though it may be true that nearly every "newb" creates some rather, er, "interesting" threads from the perspective of the old timers, an absolute lack of grammar and punctuation are fairly well inexcusable for any native speaker of the english language. We shouldn't even NEED a "Rule #4".

youdontneedtohavegraduatedhighschoollastyeartoknowthattypinglikethisisunacceptable
asamatteroffactitshouldonlybethekidswhograduatedlastyearandonlytypeonaphonewhodontknowthattypinglikethisisatravesty

[Mello2u]

peetzakilla

youdontneedtohavegraduatedhighschoollastyeartoknowthattypinglikethisisunacceptable
asamatteroffactitshouldonlybethekidswhograduatedlastyearandonlytypeonaphonewhodontknowthattypinglikethisisatravesty
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Good example of illustrating absurdity with absurdity.

[Mal H]

'Fraid I have to agree with that observation. That's going a little overboard there, peetzakilla.

[Brian Pfleuger]

Uh....

Ok,

How about


Peetzalearnwherethecommaiskilla

[Mitch Ray]

I've seen a mod or two reply to a grammar thread with a sentence fragment or a dangling modifier. What's that old saying about people who live in glass houses?

[ice monkey]

JJJ - get your grandkid to teach you how to use Word & how to cut and paste. Word will make it clear to you when you’ve typed something with poor punctuation, as it’ll underline everything in green until its “fixed.” Plus it’ll underline everything in red if you misspell a word. Moreover, it’ll suggest how to fix it if you’re not “to far off.” When your done writing - cut and paste onto a post.

Learning how to use Word (especially when you have been out of school for some time), has the crazy effect of getting folk back on track. You’ll not be sorry for learning how to use it!

As for the whole Mod being heavy handed … there are so many folk on here, knowing those who are giving it an honest shot vs. those who have been up all night drinking and smoking must be a challenging task that would make the best of us loose our sense of humor! Not to run down JJJ who’s clearly trying, but if the majority of posts had the punctuation displayed by him … well, I wouldn’t visit TFL. I am sure I wouldn't be the only one. Keep up the good work I say!

[Let it Bleed]

I've seen a mod or two reply to a grammar thread with a sentence fragment or a dangling modifier. What's that old saying about people who live in glass houses?

So you think it's hypocrisy to impose any standards just because the moderators fall short of perfection?

[orionengnr]

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=197096

Like gravity; it's not just a good idea...it's the law. As it should be.

[KyJim]

I certainly don't expect perfection from posters on forums. I also realize there are a lot of good folks out there who are challenged in writing coherent paragraphs. However, I rarely take the time to read posts where there has been no attempt at using the minimal rules of grammar, like punctuation and capitalization. I'm sure others feel the same way.

More to the point, this is a free forum that nevertheless takes money to run. If management has a good grammar rule, we should try to comply. It's like visiting somebody's home and lighting up a cigarette when you know they don't allow smoking in their house. It's just plain rude.

[seeker_two]

More to the point, this is a free forum that nevertheless takes money to run. If management has a good grammar rule, we should try to comply. It's like visiting somebody's home and lighting up a cigarette when you know they don't allow smoking in their house. It's just plain rude.

...and so is berating someone publicly instead of sending a PM reminder of the rules. I don't think jimmyjohnsonjr was blatantly violating Rule 4, so Mal's chastizing was heavy-handed. Maybe a review of the Golden Rule would be helpful here....

[iScream]

When I first saw this I thought the response was a little rough as well. I think gun forums do us all a valuable service with a reasonable amount of grammar, spelling and punctuation policing though. We have too much of an undeserved image problem already as gun owners. When Bob and Mary from Seattle, or whoever, discovers this forum and takes a peek at some of the posts, seeing that articulate and literate people own guns, maybe even a lot of guns, can be a very good thing for us all.

Now, if we could just tone down the bathroom gun and carrying three backup guns plus knife and six magazines for each gun.

I would actually like to invite some people from work to TFL and THR (.us and .org) but I don't 'cause I know there is still enough of that talk here to make some of them never look at me quite the same for lurking around here a lot and posting at times.

jimmyjohnsonjr, if you're sincere, and I'm actually not certain that you are, have your grandson download and install one of the free spell checkers for your browser.

-Chris

[jhenry]

If no PM was sent, I would agree. Of course, for all we know, one was sent and ignored. Or not. I hope the situation will be resolved and the OP has a nice long life here.

[Mike Irwin]

"I've seen a mod or two reply to a grammar thread with a sentence fragment or a dangling modifier. What's that old saying about people who live in glass houses?"

Ludicrous.

Contrary to what some people apparently think when they get themselves all cranked up, we do NOT demand grammatical perfection here at TFL.

What we do want to see is a little EFFORT.

And when I say a little effort, that's really about all that it takes to make at least a stab at using capital letters, basic second grade sentence construction, and rudimentary punctuation.

We don't expect everyone to write like Faulkner or Steinbeck.

At the same time, we simply won't accept someone writing as if they have a railroad spike sticking out of their forehead simply because they're lazy.

[J A]

That is stating it pretty clearly. There can be and usually is a learning curve for new members. Thanks for all of your hard work to make this one of the best firearms sites on the web. Jim

[shortwave]

Before posting negatively towards the mods. please read jjj`s newer thread intitled ' got a PM & will be improving my writing'.

Doesn`t seem as though jjj was as much offended by Mal H`s responses as some other members here on TFL. From jjj`s later response`s to Mal H, jjj took Mal H`s comments in a positive way and is working on his computor skill`s.
Many KUDO`S to you jjj.

My computor literacy is very limited. I realize that and I wouldn`t feel bad if I where told by the mods., especially after attempts to help me, that my post`s would be deleted if not readable. I`d do the same as jjj and learn better computor skills. Thanks mods. for being as lenient as you are.

Finally, since this was between Mal H and jjj, I vote that this thread be closed as the rest of the comments are just wasted bandwidth.