best full auto shotgun?

zeeshan · September 4, 2008, 02:51 PM

which do you think is the best full auto shotgun in the world?please mention ONLY one model alongwith its manufacturer?

JWT · September 4, 2008, 02:54 PM

Do you really mean full auto shotgun, not semiautomatic??

LHB1 · September 4, 2008, 02:56 PM

I don't think there are any FULL auto shotguns. All that I know of are SEMI-automatic.

James K · September 4, 2008, 03:09 PM

There are, or at least have been, some full auto shotguns, but I know of none that are available for sale to individuals in the U.S.

Jim

Firepower! · September 4, 2008, 03:21 PM

Yes there are a few.

I like and have USAS-12 by Daewoo. Its heavy but that takes care of the recoil. Take 10 shell mag or 20 shell drum.

Very nice for guard on duty.

Rampant_Colt · September 4, 2008, 03:48 PM

zeeshan= troll :barf:

chickenman · September 4, 2008, 03:59 PM

AA 12 Class III I reckon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhstuvzMiB0

Scattergun Bob · September 4, 2008, 05:00 PM

LHB1 - there have been full auto shotguns since the mid 1960's. I believe there were training shotguns that were full auto used during WW II for gunners aboard aircraft. My mind says they were called M11-43.

On one of my deployments to SE Asia we toyed with a experimental Remington (1100) called the M-7188, it was a select fire weapon. The 2 problems with it were it jambed A LOT, and a 600 rpm it eat through 8 rounds too quick.

latter in the late 1980's I had the pleasure of running a select fire USAS-12 (universal sporting automatic shotgun - 12 gauge) , drum fed. It was VERY heavy and clunky, it's rate of fire had been reduced and made it very manageable. Firing a case of ammo thru it with no malfunctions!!!!

In the Mid-1990's H&K experimented with a full auto M1 Super 90, (another H&K answer to the question no one asked), demoed at the ADA county sheriffs range. Again 8 rounds goes to quick!!!!

chickenman hit it on the head SQUARLY, I have had the great pleasure of cranking off the Auto Assault-12 (AA-12) twice

. I am seeking MORE..... Lighter than the USAS, less recoil, a total joy to shoot. I can't wait until these are on the open market, (dream on!!!!) Did not get the chance to see the FRAG-12 HE rounds that go with this gun.

Rock and Roll Shotguns, have VERY LIMITED, IF ANY real use in the LE and civilian world, BUT they sure do put lead in my pencil

Good Luck & Be Safe

BigJimP · September 4, 2008, 07:04 PM

You gotta love "Scattergun Bob's" perspective .......

Always a pleasure Bob, to see what is on your mind ...

Mike215 · September 4, 2008, 07:26 PM

I'd go get a saiga 12, put a side folding stock on it, take it to your local class 3 dealer/manufacturer, and ask him to convert it to fully automatic. That would be MY choice

zippy13 · September 5, 2008, 02:05 AM

I've long been under the impression that R-'n'-R shotguns were banned under the Geneva Convention. Of course, when engaged against a non-signatory nation, the gloves come off. Perhaps it's one of long held misconceptions -- the older I get, the more seem to be debunked.

Scattergun Bob,
Thanks for sharing your experiences.

omkhan · September 5, 2008, 03:47 AM

Beretta Extrema,
& AA 12

zippy13 · September 5, 2008, 05:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by omkhan

Beretta Extrema,
& AA 12

I like Berettas, too; however, you may have misunderstood the topic. We're not talking about autoloading target shotguns, but fully-automatic (machine gun) military shotguns. The Extrema might be convertible to rock-and-roll, but I don't think AA's would be appropriate.

omkhan · September 5, 2008, 10:09 AM

I guess AA 12 would be more appropriate. In future weapons program of discovery channel, they demonstrated its newer version & it sure was devastating. Here is the link on youtube

zippy13 · September 5, 2008, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by omkhan

Beretta Extrema,
& AA 12

Quote:

I guess AA 12 would be more appropriate. In future weapons program of discovery channel, they demonstrated its newer version & it sure was devastating. Here is the link on youtube

Oops... My bad!
I thought you meant a Beretta AL391-Xtrema sporting gun with AA 12-Ga. ammo. I did a google for the Xtrema2 and came up with a Youtube showing some typical trick shooting with hand tossed targets. The USAS-12 has been around for a while, but the AA-12 (the gun, not the ammo) is new to me. It's not your father's AL391.

James K · September 5, 2008, 09:44 PM

Remember Zeeshan is in Pakistan, so U.S. laws don't apply.

Jim

zippy13 · September 5, 2008, 10:19 PM

Yep! Point well taken.
Congratulations and salutations on your 9Kth posting!

guntotin_fool · September 5, 2008, 10:31 PM

I remember seeing a demo of full auto shotgun back in the early 70's at Fort Devens, the weapon was mounted on a ring mount and looked similar to a Bren gun but was belt fed rather than box fed. I was pretty young when I saw it, but it was being developed for a close range defensive weapon for convoys and boats. It was loaded slug buck slug buck for the whole 80 or so rounds in the belt.

The test object was a rambler wagon, (it sticks out because they were shooting up the same car my mom drove) and at 60 or so yards, it was shredded in just a few seconds.....

I think now the same job is taken over by the 134 minigun.i

pwelsh4hd · September 6, 2008, 02:30 PM

Quote:

zeeshan= troll

Now why would you say that? Question might be from right field a little bit, but seems like a legit one from somebody wanting to learn a bit, and get a knowledgable answer from the forum.

Topkicker · September 9, 2008, 09:30 PM

I won't call Zeeshan a troll,but his question does make me raise an eyebrow. Why would someone from Pakistan ask such a question on a predominately American forum. Not trying to step on anyones toes here.

Scattergun Bob · September 9, 2008, 09:49 PM

If you happen to find a copy of the complete guide to U.S. military combat shotguns, you will see the linage of US select fire scatterguns, you will also get to see a picture of a handsome 22 year old naval "salty Dog" me!

These type of weapons have always been in the closet and used by covert troops. AA-12 might just make it to the main stream if the Frag-12 projectile lives up to its hype.

Good Luck & Be Safe

bigghoss · September 10, 2008, 04:22 AM

Zeeshan did this exact same thing in regards to 1911's in the semi-auto forum...

however he strikes me as more of a curious bloke than anything else

Rampant_Colt · September 10, 2008, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pwelsh4hd

Now why would you say that? Question might be from right field a little bit, but seems like a legit one from somebody wanting to learn a bit, and get a knowledgable answer from the forum.

He's a troll

Topkicker · September 10, 2008, 03:31 PM

After sleeping on it and having a work discussion about the question asked here I am now convinced he IS A TROLL.

johnwilliamson062 · September 10, 2008, 03:55 PM

LOL, you guys are so suspicious. Maybe he is going to cross into Pakistan and take the fight to Al Quaeda. I have tried a few firearms forums and this is by far the most active and helpful general info forum out there. Zeeshan probably came to the same conclusion.

September 4, 2008, 02:51 PM	#1
zeeshan Senior Member Join Date: July 20, 2008 Location: a place far far away... Posts: 149	best full auto shotgun? which do you think is the best full auto shotgun in the world?please mention ONLY one model alongwith its manufacturer?

September 4, 2008, 05:00 PM	#8
Scattergun Bob Senior Member Join Date: February 29, 2008 Location: Nine Mile Falls, Washington Posts: 1,186	Rock & Roll Shotguns LHB1 - there have been full auto shotguns since the mid 1960's. I believe there were training shotguns that were full auto used during WW II for gunners aboard aircraft. My mind says they were called M11-43. On one of my deployments to SE Asia we toyed with a experimental Remington (1100) called the M-7188, it was a select fire weapon. The 2 problems with it were it jambed A LOT, and a 600 rpm it eat through 8 rounds too quick. latter in the late 1980's I had the pleasure of running a select fire USAS-12 (universal sporting automatic shotgun - 12 gauge) , drum fed. It was VERY heavy and clunky, it's rate of fire had been reduced and made it very manageable. Firing a case of ammo thru it with no malfunctions!!!! In the Mid-1990's H&K experimented with a full auto M1 Super 90, (another H&K answer to the question no one asked), demoed at the ADA county sheriffs range. Again 8 rounds goes to quick!!!! chickenman hit it on the head SQUARLY, I have had the great pleasure of cranking off the Auto Assault-12 (AA-12) twice. I am seeking MORE..... Lighter than the USAS, less recoil, a total joy to shoot. I can't wait until these are on the open market, (dream on!!!!) Did not get the chance to see the FRAG-12 HE rounds that go with this gun. Rock and Roll Shotguns, have VERY LIMITED, IF ANY real use in the LE and civilian world, BUT they sure do put lead in my pencil Good Luck & Be Safe

September 5, 2008, 02:05 AM	#11
zippy13 Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 6,442	GenCon I've long been under the impression that R-'n'-R shotguns were banned under the Geneva Convention. Of course, when engaged against a non-signatory nation, the gloves come off. Perhaps it's one of long held misconceptions -- the older I get, the more seem to be debunked. Scattergun Bob, Thanks for sharing your experiences.

September 9, 2008, 09:30 PM	#20
Topkicker Senior Member Join Date: February 19, 2008 Location: Wentzville,MO Posts: 160	I won't call Zeeshan a troll,but his question does make me raise an eyebrow. Why would someone from Pakistan ask such a question on a predominately American forum. Not trying to step on anyones toes here. __________________ "Our houses are protected by the good Lord and a gun. You might meet em both if you show up here not welcome, son."-Josh Thompson.

September 9, 2008, 09:49 PM	#21
Scattergun Bob Senior Member Join Date: February 29, 2008 Location: Nine Mile Falls, Washington Posts: 1,186	zippy13 If you happen to find a copy of the complete guide to U.S. military combat shotguns, you will see the linage of US select fire scatterguns, you will also get to see a picture of a handsome 22 year old naval "salty Dog" me! These type of weapons have always been in the closet and used by covert troops. AA-12 might just make it to the main stream if the Frag-12 projectile lives up to its hype. Good Luck & Be Safe

September 4, 2008, 02:54 PM	#2
JWT Senior Member Join Date: March 16, 2007 Location: Southern Arizona Posts: 3,888	Do you really mean full auto shotgun, not semiautomatic??

September 4, 2008, 02:56 PM	#3
LHB1 Senior Member Join Date: March 25, 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,545	I don't think there are any FULL auto shotguns. All that I know of are SEMI-automatic.

September 4, 2008, 03:09 PM	#4
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	There are, or at least have been, some full auto shotguns, but I know of none that are available for sale to individuals in the U.S. Jim

September 4, 2008, 03:21 PM	#5
Firepower! Senior Member Join Date: February 3, 2008 Posts: 2,109	Yes there are a few. I like and have USAS-12 by Daewoo. Its heavy but that takes care of the recoil. Take 10 shell mag or 20 shell drum. Very nice for guard on duty.

September 4, 2008, 03:48 PM	#6
Rampant_Colt Senior Member Join Date: March 17, 2006 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 1,478	zeeshan= troll :barf:

September 4, 2008, 03:59 PM	#7
chickenman Member Join Date: July 29, 2008 Location: North Texas Posts: 69	AA 12 Class III I reckon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhstuvzMiB0

September 4, 2008, 07:04 PM	#9
BigJimP Senior Member Join Date: February 23, 2005 Posts: 13,195	You gotta love "Scattergun Bob's" perspective ....... Always a pleasure Bob, to see what is on your mind ...

September 4, 2008, 07:26 PM	#10
Mike215 Senior Member Join Date: August 31, 2008 Location: Maryland, USA Posts: 127	I'd go get a saiga 12, put a side folding stock on it, take it to your local class 3 dealer/manufacturer, and ask him to convert it to fully automatic. That would be MY choice

September 5, 2008, 03:47 AM	#12
omkhan Senior Member Join Date: June 20, 2008 Location: Karachi, Pakistan Posts: 117	Beretta Extrema, & AA 12

September 5, 2008, 10:09 AM	#14
omkhan Senior Member Join Date: June 20, 2008 Location: Karachi, Pakistan Posts: 117	I guess AA 12 would be more appropriate. In future weapons program of discovery channel, they demonstrated its newer version & it sure was devastating. Here is the link on youtube

September 5, 2008, 09:44 PM	#16
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	Remember Zeeshan is in Pakistan, so U.S. laws don't apply. Jim

September 5, 2008, 10:19 PM	#17
zippy13 Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 6,442	Yep! Point well taken. Congratulations and salutations on your 9Kth posting!

September 5, 2008, 10:31 PM	#18
guntotin_fool Senior Member Join Date: November 19, 2004 Posts: 1,446	I remember seeing a demo of full auto shotgun back in the early 70's at Fort Devens, the weapon was mounted on a ring mount and looked similar to a Bren gun but was belt fed rather than box fed. I was pretty young when I saw it, but it was being developed for a close range defensive weapon for convoys and boats. It was loaded slug buck slug buck for the whole 80 or so rounds in the belt. The test object was a rambler wagon, (it sticks out because they were shooting up the same car my mom drove) and at 60 or so yards, it was shredded in just a few seconds..... I think now the same job is taken over by the 134 minigun.i

September 10, 2008, 04:22 AM	#22
bigghoss Senior Member Join Date: September 16, 2006 Location: Pueblo, Colorado Posts: 2,664	Zeeshan did this exact same thing in regards to 1911's in the semi-auto forum... however he strikes me as more of a curious bloke than anything else

September 10, 2008, 03:31 PM	#24
Topkicker Senior Member Join Date: February 19, 2008 Location: Wentzville,MO Posts: 160	After sleeping on it and having a work discussion about the question asked here I am now convinced he IS A TROLL. __________________ "Our houses are protected by the good Lord and a gun. You might meet em both if you show up here not welcome, son."-Josh Thompson.

September 10, 2008, 03:55 PM	#25
johnwilliamson062 Junior member Join Date: May 16, 2008 Posts: 9,994	LOL, you guys are so suspicious. Maybe he is going to cross into Pakistan and take the fight to Al Quaeda. I have tried a few firearms forums and this is by far the most active and helpful general info forum out there. Zeeshan probably came to the same conclusion.