Whats this safety???

roger-ruger · July 30, 2006, 09:05 AM

XD has the 'out of battery' safety not employed by GLOCKS, so what is this safety? And can a GLOCK be really fired out of battery?

Thanks in advance.

erh · July 30, 2006, 09:11 AM

I "think," it forces the pistol intentionally/ slightly out of battery..!

bg226 - Thanks for that clarification..!

bg226 · July 30, 2006, 09:25 AM

The Out of Battery safety prevents firing when somehow the gun is out of battery. I don't think Glocks can fire out of battery, otherwise Ka-Booms would be commonplace with Glock firearms.

Te Anau · July 30, 2006, 11:19 AM

Ive always heard and read that firing out of battery is a definite flaw Glocks have.

Chaingunner · July 30, 2006, 11:26 AM

??

How can a weapon fire when out of battery? The only thing I can think of is if you have a weapon with no firing pin block and a round sitting on the bolt face while the bolt is open (on a weapon that fires from the closed bolt)...is this what you guys mean?

fairview mick · July 30, 2006, 11:32 AM

This is how rumors flood the internet. "I've heard that glocks fire out of battery"
If that were true, don't you think the lawsuits would abound and they would out of business in a year or so.
Crap like that starts when someone doesn't care for a product for whatever reason , and then makes a rediculous statement!!!!!
Mickey

CDH · July 30, 2006, 12:28 PM

The following link goes into a lot of detail with regard to how the safety works on both the XD and the Glock.
If that doesn't answer your question, I don't know what will.

http://www.handguninfo.com/Archive/w...com/xddasa.htm

Carter

Majic · July 30, 2006, 02:36 PM

Right after the stories of the .40 Glocks going kaboom started floating around didn't Glock redesign the disconnector? I know we joked about Glock not willing to call it a recall but an upgrade to preserve the "Perfection" image. First all the LEO guns were serviced then the commercial market was addressed. The story broke out while the LEO guns were being serviced and everyone got the impression that Glock was trying to keep it quiet.
The disconector is what keeps a pistol from firing out of battery.

A_Fire_InsideR1 · July 30, 2006, 06:33 PM

guns need batteries?

i thought they just need bullets and a solid trigger pull...

shield20 · July 31, 2006, 03:58 AM

There have been several previous threads/posts showing the capability of the Glock to fire out of battery.

My Walther P99 also is described (advertised) as having an "out of battery" safety (I really think to distinguish it from the Glock reputation). I'll be damned if I can figure out what it is or how it works no mnatter how hard I study it's insides - and it seems it too would fire without the action being completely closed. Now my HK, Beretta and 1911 have true disconnects - parts designed just or mainly to prevent firing out of battery.

Can anybody shed specific light on the "out of battery" safeties on the XD and P99?

roger-ruger · July 31, 2006, 06:27 AM

frankly, i have no care for internet news of glocks going kaboom cuz i have yet to see one in actual. however, as a true believer of 1911s and all steel pistols i am giving great thought in acquring a glock or probably the xd45. but more on leaning towards the xd. held both (but never fired) and the glock grip seemed bulky for me, while the xd grip feel was just fantastic. overall the xd seemed slimmer than the glock eventhough it was in 45acp. and the other thing thats pulling me to xd is their 'out of battery' feature. though, with a limited understanding on this particular feature i thought this safety feature would come in handy and an advantage against glock.

thanks.

CDH · July 31, 2006, 08:15 AM

Quote:

Can anybody shed specific light on the "out of battery" safeties on the XD and P99?

This following is part of a longer article but might add a little to the explanation... maybe.

Trigger Safety and Grip Safety Comparison

The Glock trigger is called a Safe Action (S.A.) trigger system. The XD trigger is called an Ultra Safety Assurance (U.S.A.) action trigger system. When the Glock slide is racked, the pistol is half cocked to a 1/2 SA action state. While the XD is essentially fully cocked (SA action state) during the slide rack, it also incorporates two user activated critical safeties automatically (twice as many as a Glock). The XD requires a good, solid firing grip that works in conjunction with each of these two user activated safeties (trigger safety and grip safety), otherwise the XD cannot fire and the slide cannot be racked. On the other hand, the Glock only has one user activated critical safety, (the trigger safety).

Ayoob has carried an XD all day tucked inside his pants WITHOUT a holster, yet he felt safe doing so because of the mechanical design of the XD. Most Glock fans, me included, would NEVER carry a loaded Glock without a holster. The grip safety is an excellent feature.

Hard Ball · July 31, 2006, 11:33 AM

Of course Glocks can fire out of battery. IIRC Handy made a video which he posted here on TFL showing a Glock firing out of battery. It seems that the XD design prevenyts firing out of battery. In this case it is a safer pistol than the Glock.

281 Quad Cam · July 31, 2006, 12:04 PM

I believe the thread showed that a Glock could be FORCED to fire ALMOST out of battery, if its muzzle was jammed into something. I FORCED my Glock 19 to release it's striker when the barrel was just about to drop down. For clarification this is not out of battery as in, when the brass is outside of the chamber as some here surely believe. It's just as the barrel is rearward in travel.

Why would a Glock slide/barrel ever be rearward in its travel when fired? Because we are forcing it to be by jamming the muzzle into an immovable object. In the real world? No, it doesn't happen. There is no reason, and I've not even read a hokey online story that claims it happened to them. Simply put... Unless you are at the range jamming the front of the pistol into a heavy object and pushing the slide out of battery - this will not be a problem for you. Period.

Furthermore I went on to say that I personally preferred that Glock's would fire when the slide/barrel were pushed back. The Glock is my carry gun, and in the event that I should almost die one day, I find it to be very very likely that my gun will end up pressed into the gut of an attacker, or otherwise the gun will have hands on it besides mine.
Considering this situation, I believe that the Glock will fire and function normally, even when fired from this "out of battery" position... But even if it did not, I would prefer one shot, or even a kB to the alternative... Which is an XD or other pistol which will simply not fire because its jammed into a bad guy.

July 30, 2006, 09:05 AM	#1
roger-ruger Senior Member Join Date: February 25, 2005 Posts: 251	Whats this safety??? XD has the 'out of battery' safety not employed by GLOCKS, so what is this safety? And can a GLOCK be really fired out of battery? Thanks in advance.

July 30, 2006, 09:11 AM	#2
erh Senior Member Join Date: June 17, 2005 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 158	Oh..! I "think," it forces the pistol intentionally/ slightly out of battery..! bg226 - Thanks for that clarification..! Last edited by erh; July 30, 2006 at 10:00 AM.

July 30, 2006, 11:32 AM	#6
fairview mick Senior Member Join Date: November 3, 2005 Location: North Olmsted Posts: 795	To Te Anau This is how rumors flood the internet. "I've heard that glocks fire out of battery" If that were true, don't you think the lawsuits would abound and they would out of business in a year or so. Crap like that starts when someone doesn't care for a product for whatever reason , and then makes a rediculous statement!!!!! Mickey

July 31, 2006, 06:27 AM	#11
roger-ruger Senior Member Join Date: February 25, 2005 Posts: 251	frankly, i have no care for internet news of glocks going kaboom cuz i have yet to see one in actual. however, as a true believer of 1911s and all steel pistols i am giving great thought in acquring a glock or probably the xd45. but more on leaning towards the xd. held both (but never fired) and the glock grip seemed bulky for me, while the xd grip feel was just fantastic. overall the xd seemed slimmer than the glock eventhough it was in 45acp. and the other thing thats pulling me to xd is their 'out of battery' feature. though, with a limited understanding on this particular feature i thought this safety feature would come in handy and an advantage against glock. thanks. Last edited by roger-ruger; July 31, 2006 at 07:30 AM.

July 30, 2006, 09:25 AM	#3
bg226 Member Join Date: July 8, 2006 Posts: 30	The Out of Battery safety prevents firing when somehow the gun is out of battery. I don't think Glocks can fire out of battery, otherwise Ka-Booms would be commonplace with Glock firearms.

July 30, 2006, 11:19 AM	#4
Te Anau Senior Member Join Date: June 17, 2004 Location: Somewhere south of the No Posts: 3,824	Ive always heard and read that firing out of battery is a definite flaw Glocks have.

July 30, 2006, 11:26 AM	#5
Chaingunner Senior Member Join Date: March 2, 2006 Location: El Cajon/San Diego, CA Posts: 394	?? How can a weapon fire when out of battery? The only thing I can think of is if you have a weapon with no firing pin block and a round sitting on the bolt face while the bolt is open (on a weapon that fires from the closed bolt)...is this what you guys mean?

July 30, 2006, 12:28 PM	#7
CDH Senior Member Join Date: August 18, 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 941	The following link goes into a lot of detail with regard to how the safety works on both the XD and the Glock. If that doesn't answer your question, I don't know what will. http://www.handguninfo.com/Archive/w...com/xddasa.htm Carter

July 30, 2006, 02:36 PM	#8
Majic Senior Member Join Date: May 24, 2004 Posts: 3,888	Right after the stories of the .40 Glocks going kaboom started floating around didn't Glock redesign the disconnector? I know we joked about Glock not willing to call it a recall but an upgrade to preserve the "Perfection" image. First all the LEO guns were serviced then the commercial market was addressed. The story broke out while the LEO guns were being serviced and everyone got the impression that Glock was trying to keep it quiet. The disconector is what keeps a pistol from firing out of battery.

July 30, 2006, 06:33 PM	#9
A_Fire_InsideR1 Member Join Date: December 7, 2005 Location: San Diego, Ca Posts: 19	guns need batteries? i thought they just need bullets and a solid trigger pull...

July 31, 2006, 03:58 AM	#10
shield20 Senior Member Join Date: April 13, 2005 Location: Hudson Valley, New York Posts: 1,371	There have been several previous threads/posts showing the capability of the Glock to fire out of battery. My Walther P99 also is described (advertised) as having an "out of battery" safety (I really think to distinguish it from the Glock reputation). I'll be damned if I can figure out what it is or how it works no mnatter how hard I study it's insides - and it seems it too would fire without the action being completely closed. Now my HK, Beretta and 1911 have true disconnects - parts designed just or mainly to prevent firing out of battery. Can anybody shed specific light on the "out of battery" safeties on the XD and P99?

July 31, 2006, 11:33 AM	#13
Hard Ball Senior Member Join Date: November 28, 1999 Location: California Posts: 3,925	Of course Glocks can fire out of battery. IIRC Handy made a video which he posted here on TFL showing a Glock firing out of battery. It seems that the XD design prevenyts firing out of battery. In this case it is a safer pistol than the Glock.

July 31, 2006, 12:04 PM	#14
281 Quad Cam Senior Member Join Date: June 15, 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 937	I believe the thread showed that a Glock could be FORCED to fire ALMOST out of battery, if its muzzle was jammed into something. I FORCED my Glock 19 to release it's striker when the barrel was just about to drop down. For clarification this is not out of battery as in, when the brass is outside of the chamber as some here surely believe. It's just as the barrel is rearward in travel. Why would a Glock slide/barrel ever be rearward in its travel when fired? Because we are forcing it to be by jamming the muzzle into an immovable object. In the real world? No, it doesn't happen. There is no reason, and I've not even read a hokey online story that claims it happened to them. Simply put... Unless you are at the range jamming the front of the pistol into a heavy object and pushing the slide out of battery - this will not be a problem for you. Period. Furthermore I went on to say that I personally preferred that Glock's would fire when the slide/barrel were pushed back. The Glock is my carry gun, and in the event that I should almost die one day, I find it to be very very likely that my gun will end up pressed into the gut of an attacker, or otherwise the gun will have hands on it besides mine. Considering this situation, I believe that the Glock will fire and function normally, even when fired from this "out of battery" position... But even if it did not, I would prefer one shot, or even a kB to the alternative... Which is an XD or other pistol which will simply not fire because its jammed into a bad guy.