finally disarmed of my ccw by cop

craigntx · January 12, 2006, 07:33 PM

i told him right away i had it (inside jacket pocket) when stopped on my mc.
he reached in and took it out (glad it wasnt in my front jeans pocket

) he asks how long ive been riding- 20 years..ever been down? only when i was too drunk (got a smile at that)

after checking the computer and lambasting me about the helmet law, he puts the clip in my front jeans pocket and the gun back in my jacket..says i can fix it back after i get away from here..
all in all, pretty amusing time..
no moving vio, just no signal and helmet
i feel like such a criminal
he ran up on my a$$ like i was a felon. hot dog cop

just in case you guys wondered how it MAY go down

HappyGunner · January 12, 2006, 08:58 PM

To lose you'r ccw?

craigntx · January 12, 2006, 10:52 PM

by doing __________?

Matt19 · January 12, 2006, 11:27 PM

Hey, if you didn't end up making another government contribution, then it's a good night.

walt65 · January 13, 2006, 12:14 AM

The guy was only doing his duty. Don't take it personally. We who carry are the best of the law-abiding citizenry. He knows that. I don't blame him for giving it back to you in "pieces." Unless you were in his shoes, you couldn't know how cautious he has to be all the time just to be able to go home at the end of his/her shift. Love the police. They're worth it!

Peeweester40 · January 13, 2006, 01:11 AM

"he ran up on my a$$ like i was a felon."

You must not have been gellin!

Seriously though, this got me thinking.....should we as CCW holders always volunteer that we are armed if stopped for a traffic offense? I've never read anything that said it's required. Some may think it's courteous, but is it really necessary just because they are LEO's? Maybe some LEO's on the forum could tell us what they would prefer armed (legally, the good guys) folks do in simple traffic stops.

Dave R · January 13, 2006, 01:15 AM

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should we as as CCW holders always volunteer that we are armed if stopped for a traffic offense?

My understanding is, the laws vary by states, and some states DO require you to notify an officer when you are carrying.

Hmmm, maybe I should check out packing.org before I post this...

deezulsmoke · January 13, 2006, 01:17 AM

Yes tell them that you are a CCW holder and armed. Then just sit there with your hands on the wheel or handle bars and let them do what they want. In Colorado, it is specifically stated as part of the CCW regulations that the officer has the right to confiscate the weapon for the duration of the stop.

Deez.

Peeweester40 · January 13, 2006, 01:37 AM

"My understanding is, the laws vary by states, and some states DO require you to notify an officer when you are carrying."

I wasn't thinking outside the box (Florida) when I posted.

I'm reasonably sure it's not required in Florida (I need to check out packing.org too). I just don't want to unreasonably upset an officer if I don't need to. If it's the law, then it's (obviously) a totally different situation and doesn't matter what we think.

Smokey Joe · January 13, 2006, 02:00 AM

Peweester40--

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I just don't want to unreasonably upset an officer if I don't need to.

How upset would the LEO become if he had to deal with you officially and discovered you were packing and had NOT told him? LEO's want to know of any potential risks to themselves BEFORE they begin dealing with a person. You may be the most law-abiding and non-violent person in your neck of the woods, but the LEO doesn't know that when he begins the official business.

The Texas requirement is for the CCW holder, pulled over by a LEO, to keep his (empty) hands in sight, and tell the LEO first thing, "I am CCW certifed, and I am armed. How do you wish to proceed, officer?"

That tells the LEO what he needs to know, right away, establishes that the CCW holder is going to be cooperative, and puts the LEO in charge. That seems like a very sensible idea to me.

SGHOTH · January 13, 2006, 02:04 AM

I was watching an episode of Cops tonight and the officer asked the guy if he had any guns or knifes on him. If it was me I would have had to say - sure how many you want.

Good thing I don't get pulled over much.

Peeweester40 · January 13, 2006, 02:23 AM

"How upset would the LEO become if he had to deal with you officially and discovered you were packing and had NOT told him? LEO's want to know of any potential risks to themselves BEFORE they begin dealing with a person."

I've had a cop pull a gun on me before........long story, I'll make it brief. I was at my work some years ago, after hours at night. The business is in a not so cozy part of town. As I was fumbling with the keys to get in the door of the office, someone yelled (while spot light suddenly blared) "Hands in the air!, above your head!, where I can see them! NOW!. Now walk backwards toward my voice, don't look back!." Before it was all over, I was on my knees, with my legs crossed, and my hands interlocked on my head, with a gun to my back while the officer made calls in to verify I was an employee.

So, I may have a different perspective about 'potential risks'. Should the LEO beleive you when you tell him you are a CCW holder, or do criminals not ever lie?

Zen900 · January 13, 2006, 04:16 AM

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How upset would the LEO become if he had to deal with you officially and discovered you were packing and had NOT told him? LEO's want to know of any potential risks to themselves BEFORE they begin dealing with a person

I took the ccw course and never mailed in my application because of things like this. The reason I wanted to carry was after several incidences of very large and younger people attacking me.

I get tired of police saying theyre concerned about THEIR safety. Well I'm concerned about my safety also. I don't want police or bad guys hassling me. I want to live in peace and safety but the fact is I can't because both the police and the bad guys have more rights than me. If I carry a gun I offend the police. If I don't carry a gun the bad guy punches my lights out.

I'm not happy with either situation.

craigntx · January 13, 2006, 09:12 AM

the only thing got me p.o.d was he went flying up on mei wasnt speedin- no speedin ticket
wasnt doin a wheelie, etc.
this guy mustve been 2 ft away b4 i stopped (maybe he thought id outrun him)

thats why i like galveston, we dont get hassled for bs like that..
craig
p.s. you MUST inform coppers here youre packin
theyll find out w/ their comp. you got a chl anyway...
craig

DasBoot · January 13, 2006, 10:51 AM

ZEN,
I'll start out in a diplomatic way.
I don't understand your reasoning in this.
You've had problems in the past which made you decide to get your CCW.
You took the class.
BUT NEVER FOLLOWED THROUGH BECAUSE YOU OBJECT TO LETTING AN LEO AWARE THAT YOU HAVE A FIREARM ON YOUR PERSON????

"I get tired of police saying theyre concerned about THEIR safety."
"I don't want police or bad guys hassling me."

Besides being a soldier in a war zone, how many other professions do you know of that would put you in a position to be shot on a daily basis?
And you think that an LEO checking the validity of your permit and/or asking questions regarding your weapon is a hassle.

Think of the situation from THEIR viewpoint and you may just change your mind.
Or perhaps there are other ISSUES at play in your case.

craigntx · January 13, 2006, 11:23 AM

"issues at play"

erik the bold · January 13, 2006, 11:40 AM

Just a matter of semantics, but your concealed permit is a CPL or CWL.

CCW is what you are charged with when carrying without a permit....

Weeg · January 13, 2006, 11:40 AM

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should we as CCW holders always volunteer that we are armed if stopped for a traffic offense?

It is REQUIRED here

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Barr · January 13, 2006, 12:08 PM

Regardless of circumstances or the law, when pulled over I will always inform the LEO that I have a gun. Things go much smoother when they know of it. I am not a "suspicious looking character." However, if they search my car or see any hint of a weapon they will react swiftly and I will have a gun pointed at me by a very nervous cop.

The worst thing that will happen if I tell him is that my weapon will be out of my hands for 10-20 mins. Seems like small price to pay.

FirearmFan · January 13, 2006, 12:23 PM

It's not required here in PA to tell an officer you are carrying. That being said I would rather tell an officer I have a CWL and that the weapon is on me then have him think I am trying to hide something. With most law enforcement it is all about respect and honesty. If I'm pulled over for a speeding ticket I'm not gonna argue with him because he or she is just doing their job. If I have a problem with it I can always take it up in court.

When I was younger I was pulled over plenty of times for speeding and never pulled out the car or treated badly. I was polite and respectful and sent on my way. Heck I told on officer I was speeding becaues I just found out my PLaystation 2 came in. He laughed and let me off with a $75 ticket for doing 17 over the speed limit. My ticket should have been double.

I rather err on the side of caution with honesty then get shot or looked at as a suspect.

**tyme** · January 13, 2006, 12:43 PM

The kind of person who has a ccw permit and discloses that during a stop is not a measurable risk. Requiring such people to disclose and allowing them to temporarily "secure" the gun may give cops warm fuzzies, but it doesn't accomplish anything productive.

I can appreciate that cops may (irrationally) feel more comfortable by knowing whether someone is carrying and being able to confiscate the gun temporarily. Everyone feels more comfortable the more they know about someone. However, it is abusive for the legislature to pass parts of criminal laws designed to make cops feel better at the (admittedly minor) expense of citizens' rights.

The same sort of comfort argument seems to me to be a main reason why concealed carry was historically viewed as criminal, while open carry was generally okay. The thought that someone might have a concealed weapon causes many people to be nervous. By passing a law prohibiting concealed carry, those people cease to be quite so nervous even though almost all bad, violent people still carry concealed weapons.

craigntx · January 13, 2006, 12:58 PM

at least we can cave ccw, chl, etc
if thats what it takes (disclosure) its a pretty small price to pay to be able to protect yourself w/o risk of jail...
craig

Zen900 · January 14, 2006, 01:03 AM

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DASBOOT SAYS Think of the situation from THEIR viewpoint and you may just change your mind.

I was given a warning going to the range the other day at a licence check out in the middle of nowhere(63 in 55) and was on my way again in about 90 seconds. However, I had 2 pistols in the cab with me zipped in cases and two rifles behind the seat. If I had a CCW I would have had to declare and then I would have been hassled. Probably improper storage and could have had weapons confiscated. Maybe not but maybe yes. After I drove off hassle free with friendly verbal exchanges I decided at that moment to not mail off the ccw application.

Avizpls · January 14, 2006, 01:46 AM

I was in a small accident a few nights ago that looked worse than it was. The cops were called, and I spent 45min with this guy, and since I was never asked to to anything like a sobriety check, or please sit in the cruiser, or anyhting of that nature, I didnt see a need to tell him what he didnt know.

It went fine, and if it became anything more than him seeing if we needed help and filling out an accident report, I would have definatly told him before he found it. I was thinking if i had to tell him that I would have put my arms out and said I have a CCW and permit for such.

My opinion is to not tell unless it becomes apperant that he might find it. If its a routine encounter, why worry anyone.

Hunter Rose · January 14, 2006, 02:25 AM

This is the reason that, when we finally get CCW here in WI, I'll be having a small pocket added to the left cuff of all my riding jackest (warm and cold weather): to carry my DL and CCW. Puul over, stop bike, pull out cards...

Re: driving up on your tail: depending on the speed involved, I would take the officer's name and badge number, and report unsafe driving. At any kind of speed, had something gone wrong, he would have been over the top of you...

January 12, 2006, 07:33 PM	#1
craigntx Senior Member Join Date: November 15, 2005 Location: galveston tx Posts: 249	finally disarmed of my ccw by cop i told him right away i had it (inside jacket pocket) when stopped on my mc. he reached in and took it out (glad it wasnt in my front jeans pocket ) he asks how long ive been riding- 20 years..ever been down? only when i was too drunk (got a smile at that) after checking the computer and lambasting me about the helmet law, he puts the clip in my front jeans pocket and the gun back in my jacket..says i can fix it back after i get away from here.. all in all, pretty amusing time.. no moving vio, just no signal and helmet i feel like such a criminal he ran up on my a$$ like i was a felon. hot dog cop just in case you guys wondered how it MAY go down

January 12, 2006, 08:58 PM	#2
HappyGunner Senior Member Join Date: September 18, 2004 Posts: 1,302	Are you trying To lose you'r ccw?

January 13, 2006, 12:14 AM	#5
walt65 Member Join Date: November 23, 2005 Posts: 86	That it easy on the Police Officer The guy was only doing his duty. Don't take it personally. We who carry are the best of the law-abiding citizenry. He knows that. I don't blame him for giving it back to you in "pieces." Unless you were in his shoes, you couldn't know how cautious he has to be all the time just to be able to go home at the end of his/her shift. Love the police. They're worth it!

January 13, 2006, 09:12 AM	#14
craigntx Senior Member Join Date: November 15, 2005 Location: galveston tx Posts: 249	re- ran up on me.... the only thing got me p.o.d was he went flying up on mei wasnt speedin- no speedin ticket wasnt doin a wheelie, etc. this guy mustve been 2 ft away b4 i stopped (maybe he thought id outrun him) thats why i like galveston, we dont get hassled for bs like that.. craig p.s. you MUST inform coppers here youre packin theyll find out w/ their comp. you got a chl anyway... craig

January 13, 2006, 11:40 AM	#17
erik the bold Member Join Date: September 28, 2005 Location: Middle of the Mitten (MI) Posts: 34	Just a matter of semantics, but your concealed permit is a CPL or CWL. CCW is what you are charged with when carrying without a permit.... __________________ NOTICE: Persons attempting to find a motive in this narrative will be prosecuted; persons attempting to find a moral in it will be banished; persons attempting to find a plot in it will be shot. BY ORDER OF THE AUTHOR Per G. G., Chief of Ordnance "If you think it's wrong to kill someone who is about to kill you, you are too stupid to be allowed to vote"

January 12, 2006, 10:52 PM	#3
craigntx Senior Member Join Date: November 15, 2005 Location: galveston tx Posts: 249	by doing __________?

January 12, 2006, 11:27 PM	#4
Matt19 Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 1999 Posts: 315	Hey, if you didn't end up making another government contribution, then it's a good night.

January 13, 2006, 01:11 AM	#6
Peeweester40 Senior Member Join Date: January 2, 2006 Location: North Central Florida Posts: 143	"he ran up on my a$$ like i was a felon." You must not have been gellin! Seriously though, this got me thinking.....should we as CCW holders always volunteer that we are armed if stopped for a traffic offense? I've never read anything that said it's required. Some may think it's courteous, but is it really necessary just because they are LEO's? Maybe some LEO's on the forum could tell us what they would prefer armed (legally, the good guys) folks do in simple traffic stops.

January 13, 2006, 01:17 AM	#8
deezulsmoke Member Join Date: May 20, 2004 Posts: 36	Yes tell them that you are a CCW holder and armed. Then just sit there with your hands on the wheel or handle bars and let them do what they want. In Colorado, it is specifically stated as part of the CCW regulations that the officer has the right to confiscate the weapon for the duration of the stop. Deez.

January 13, 2006, 01:37 AM	#9
Peeweester40 Senior Member Join Date: January 2, 2006 Location: North Central Florida Posts: 143	"My understanding is, the laws vary by states, and some states DO require you to notify an officer when you are carrying." I wasn't thinking outside the box (Florida) when I posted. I'm reasonably sure it's not required in Florida (I need to check out packing.org too). I just don't want to unreasonably upset an officer if I don't need to. If it's the law, then it's (obviously) a totally different situation and doesn't matter what we think.

January 13, 2006, 02:04 AM	#11
SGHOTH Senior Member Join Date: June 5, 2004 Posts: 452	I was watching an episode of Cops tonight and the officer asked the guy if he had any guns or knifes on him. If it was me I would have had to say - sure how many you want. Good thing I don't get pulled over much.

January 13, 2006, 02:23 AM	#12
Peeweester40 Senior Member Join Date: January 2, 2006 Location: North Central Florida Posts: 143	"How upset would the LEO become if he had to deal with you officially and discovered you were packing and had NOT told him? LEO's want to know of any potential risks to themselves BEFORE they begin dealing with a person." I've had a cop pull a gun on me before........long story, I'll make it brief. I was at my work some years ago, after hours at night. The business is in a not so cozy part of town. As I was fumbling with the keys to get in the door of the office, someone yelled (while spot light suddenly blared) "Hands in the air!, above your head!, where I can see them! NOW!. Now walk backwards toward my voice, don't look back!." Before it was all over, I was on my knees, with my legs crossed, and my hands interlocked on my head, with a gun to my back while the officer made calls in to verify I was an employee. So, I may have a different perspective about 'potential risks'. Should the LEO beleive you when you tell him you are a CCW holder, or do criminals not ever lie?

January 13, 2006, 10:51 AM	#15
DasBoot Junior member Join Date: October 18, 2005 Location: South Florida Posts: 700	ZEN, I'll start out in a diplomatic way. I don't understand your reasoning in this. You've had problems in the past which made you decide to get your CCW. You took the class. BUT NEVER FOLLOWED THROUGH BECAUSE YOU OBJECT TO LETTING AN LEO AWARE THAT YOU HAVE A FIREARM ON YOUR PERSON???? "I get tired of police saying theyre concerned about THEIR safety." "I don't want police or bad guys hassling me." Besides being a soldier in a war zone, how many other professions do you know of that would put you in a position to be shot on a daily basis? And you think that an LEO checking the validity of your permit and/or asking questions regarding your weapon is a hassle. Think of the situation from THEIR viewpoint and you may just change your mind. Or perhaps there are other ISSUES at play in your case.

January 13, 2006, 11:23 AM	#16
craigntx Senior Member Join Date: November 15, 2005 Location: galveston tx Posts: 249	"issues at play"

January 13, 2006, 12:08 PM	#19
Barr Senior Member Join Date: January 5, 2006 Location: Upstate SC Posts: 286	Regardless of circumstances or the law, when pulled over I will always inform the LEO that I have a gun. Things go much smoother when they know of it. I am not a "suspicious looking character." However, if they search my car or see any hint of a weapon they will react swiftly and I will have a gun pointed at me by a very nervous cop. The worst thing that will happen if I tell him is that my weapon will be out of my hands for 10-20 mins. Seems like small price to pay.

January 13, 2006, 12:23 PM	#20
FirearmFan Senior Member Join Date: August 25, 2005 Location: Philly Posts: 270	It's not required here in PA to tell an officer you are carrying. That being said I would rather tell an officer I have a CWL and that the weapon is on me then have him think I am trying to hide something. With most law enforcement it is all about respect and honesty. If I'm pulled over for a speeding ticket I'm not gonna argue with him because he or she is just doing their job. If I have a problem with it I can always take it up in court. When I was younger I was pulled over plenty of times for speeding and never pulled out the car or treated badly. I was polite and respectful and sent on my way. Heck I told on officer I was speeding becaues I just found out my PLaystation 2 came in. He laughed and let me off with a $75 ticket for doing 17 over the speed limit. My ticket should have been double. I rather err on the side of caution with honesty then get shot or looked at as a suspect.

January 13, 2006, 12:43 PM	#21
tyme Staff Join Date: October 13, 2001 Posts: 3,365	The kind of person who has a ccw permit and discloses that during a stop is not a measurable risk. Requiring such people to disclose and allowing them to temporarily "secure" the gun may give cops warm fuzzies, but it doesn't accomplish anything productive. I can appreciate that cops may (irrationally) feel more comfortable by knowing whether someone is carrying and being able to confiscate the gun temporarily. Everyone feels more comfortable the more they know about someone. However, it is abusive for the legislature to pass parts of criminal laws designed to make cops feel better at the (admittedly minor) expense of citizens' rights. The same sort of comfort argument seems to me to be a main reason why concealed carry was historically viewed as criminal, while open carry was generally okay. The thought that someone might have a concealed weapon causes many people to be nervous. By passing a law prohibiting concealed carry, those people cease to be quite so nervous even though almost all bad, violent people still carry concealed weapons. __________________ “The egg hatched...” “...the egg hatched... and a hundred baby spiders came out...” (blade runner) “Who are you?” “A friend. I'm here to prevent you from making a mistake.” “You have no idea what I'm doing here, friend.” “In specific terms, no, but I swore an oath to protect the world...” (continuum) “It's a goal you won't understand until later. Your job is to make sure he doesn't achieve the goal.” (bsg)

January 13, 2006, 12:58 PM	#22
craigntx Senior Member Join Date: November 15, 2005 Location: galveston tx Posts: 249	at least we can cave ccw, chl, etc if thats what it takes (disclosure) its a pretty small price to pay to be able to protect yourself w/o risk of jail... craig

January 14, 2006, 01:46 AM	#24
Avizpls Senior Member Join Date: November 9, 2004 Posts: 774	I was in a small accident a few nights ago that looked worse than it was. The cops were called, and I spent 45min with this guy, and since I was never asked to to anything like a sobriety check, or please sit in the cruiser, or anyhting of that nature, I didnt see a need to tell him what he didnt know. It went fine, and if it became anything more than him seeing if we needed help and filling out an accident report, I would have definatly told him before he found it. I was thinking if i had to tell him that I would have put my arms out and said I have a CCW and permit for such. My opinion is to not tell unless it becomes apperant that he might find it. If its a routine encounter, why worry anyone.

January 14, 2006, 02:25 AM	#25
Hunter Rose Senior Member Join Date: August 9, 2001 Location: 30 miles from Everywhere, right in the middle of Nowhere... Posts: 718	This is the reason that, when we finally get CCW here in WI, I'll be having a small pocket added to the left cuff of all my riding jackest (warm and cold weather): to carry my DL and CCW. Puul over, stop bike, pull out cards... Re: driving up on your tail: depending on the speed involved, I would take the officer's name and badge number, and report unsafe driving. At any kind of speed, had something gone wrong, he would have been over the top of you...