'Do not come in! I have a gun

MoW · December 12, 2005, 11:10 AM

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...PG36G6F801.DTL

gb_in_ga · December 12, 2005, 12:31 PM

Good illustration incident, IMHO. Intended victim was armed with a handgun, and because the victim was so armed she was able to protect herself from an attacker. And yet, no shots were fired. She used her head. Good for her.

Demonstrated that self defense with a firearm does not necessarily involve spilled blood.

Demonstrated that at least that one gun didn't kill -- so could it be that the old plattitude about "Guns Kill" isn't necessarily true?

PaulBk · December 12, 2005, 12:52 PM

Mas Ayoob claims in "Stress Fire" that at least 13 out of 14 encounters (LEO and civilian) do not require firing a handgun.

Since this type of statistic is difficult if not impossible to verify, one would have to take it on faith, but it does indicate that the majority of encounters don't require shooting. We just hear about the sensational ones...

-PB

Supertac · December 12, 2005, 02:08 PM

"Reality set in.." I bet it did!!

Too bad he didn't continue coming in...one less BG on the street.

Good thing she was packin and had a good head on her shoulders. Rape, robbery, murder....who knows what she stopped from happening to herself.

Way to go, 10 points!

Pistolenschutze · December 12, 2005, 02:30 PM

The woman acted appropriately, intelligently, and well within the law it seems to me. It's been my experience (three times in the last 30 years!), that merely having a weapon and making it clear one is quite prepared to use it if necessary, is sufficient in itself to deter an attack. That should not, of course, be relied upon as an absolute, and if a weapon is drawn one must be mentally prepared to use it and practiced enough to hit what is shot at. Still, it is nonetheless true that most criminals want easy victims, not armed ones. Getting drilled with a .45 is not part of the game plan!

Sir William · December 13, 2005, 01:55 AM

Where did this occur? It is ironic. Was this meant as satire?

OneInTheChamber · December 18, 2005, 05:51 PM

good for her..... "God made not have made all men (women too) equal, but Colt certainly did".

LoadIt · December 19, 2005, 01:21 PM

Yes, sometimes even the threat of a firearm works.

About three years ago, a buddy of mine heard his doorbell ring at 12:30 in the morning. His wife went to answer the door and my buddy yelled out, "Don't you Dare answer that door without a gun in your hand." They then heard at least two people running away.

Glenn E. Meyer · December 19, 2005, 01:25 PM

The deterrence statistics is not from Ayoob and it is well documented in the criminological literature. Look at the writings of Dr. Gary Kleck for instance.

There is actually scholarly work on this. Much of it is presented at the American Society for Criminology and presented in various referred journals.

Ayoob is a secondary source. It's funny that many of the things he says have a basis in the academic literature but folks just read gun rags and think he is making stuff up.

December 12, 2005, 11:10 AM	#1
MoW Junior member Join Date: January 27, 2005 Posts: 1,009	'Do not come in! I have a gun http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...PG36G6F801.DTL

December 12, 2005, 12:31 PM	#2
gb_in_ga Senior Member Join Date: February 15, 2005 Location: Pensacola, Fl Posts: 3,093	Good illustration incident, IMHO. Intended victim was armed with a handgun, and because the victim was so armed she was able to protect herself from an attacker. And yet, no shots were fired. She used her head. Good for her. Demonstrated that self defense with a firearm does not necessarily involve spilled blood. Demonstrated that at least that one gun didn't kill -- so could it be that the old plattitude about "Guns Kill" isn't necessarily true? __________________ COME AND TAKE IT http://www.tamu.edu/ccbn/dewitt/batgon.htm Formerly lived in Ga, but now I'm back in Tx! Aaaand, now I'm off to Fla...

December 12, 2005, 12:52 PM	#3
PaulBk Senior Member Join Date: May 26, 2004 Location: Western Washington Posts: 164	Deterrent Mas Ayoob claims in "Stress Fire" that at least 13 out of 14 encounters (LEO and civilian) do not require firing a handgun. Since this type of statistic is difficult if not impossible to verify, one would have to take it on faith, but it does indicate that the majority of encounters don't require shooting. We just hear about the sensational ones... -PB

December 19, 2005, 01:25 PM	#9
Glenn E. Meyer Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 20,061	The deterrence statistics is not from Ayoob and it is well documented in the criminological literature. Look at the writings of Dr. Gary Kleck for instance. There is actually scholarly work on this. Much of it is presented at the American Society for Criminology and presented in various referred journals. Ayoob is a secondary source. It's funny that many of the things he says have a basis in the academic literature but folks just read gun rags and think he is making stuff up. __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens

December 12, 2005, 02:08 PM	#4
Supertac Senior Member Join Date: November 22, 2005 Location: Melbourne, FL Posts: 181	"Reality set in.." I bet it did!! Too bad he didn't continue coming in...one less BG on the street. Good thing she was packin and had a good head on her shoulders. Rape, robbery, murder....who knows what she stopped from happening to herself. Way to go, 10 points!

December 12, 2005, 02:30 PM	#5
Pistolenschutze Senior Member Join Date: November 19, 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 243	The woman acted appropriately, intelligently, and well within the law it seems to me. It's been my experience (three times in the last 30 years!), that merely having a weapon and making it clear one is quite prepared to use it if necessary, is sufficient in itself to deter an attack. That should not, of course, be relied upon as an absolute, and if a weapon is drawn one must be mentally prepared to use it and practiced enough to hit what is shot at. Still, it is nonetheless true that most criminals want easy victims, not armed ones. Getting drilled with a .45 is not part of the game plan!

December 13, 2005, 01:55 AM	#6
Sir William Senior Member Join Date: October 13, 2004 Posts: 3,261	Where did this occur? It is ironic. Was this meant as satire?

December 18, 2005, 05:51 PM	#7
OneInTheChamber Senior Member Join Date: December 12, 2005 Posts: 789	good for her..... "God made not have made all men (women too) equal, but Colt certainly did".

December 19, 2005, 01:21 PM	#8
LoadIt Senior Member Join Date: June 7, 2005 Location: Kansas Posts: 269	Yes, sometimes even the threat of a firearm works. About three years ago, a buddy of mine heard his doorbell ring at 12:30 in the morning. His wife went to answer the door and my buddy yelled out, "Don't you Dare answer that door without a gun in your hand." They then heard at least two people running away.