Ok, who's buying the 50th anniversary flattop?

caz223 · December 13, 2004, 11:30 AM

I see ruger is introducing a whole bunch of new models.
Among them, a 50th anniversary blackhawk "flat top" in .357 magnum with the pre-'62 XR-3 gripframe.
It's lighter than the ones that are being made now, and many stories are traded in forums like this of how nice the old ones really were.
They are making a lot of changes at ruger, and making a lot of new guns that I find desireable.
Like the alaskan, the new model vaquero, the 50th anniversary blackhawk, the 345, the markIII, etc.

tulsamal · December 13, 2004, 11:50 AM

ME, ME, ME, ME!!!!

I'm REALLY excited about this gun. I've already written the factory about continuing the small frame Blackhawk as a catalog item after the Anniversary model is gone. If they would do that and make it in .44 Special as well, they will sell several to me! I've wanted to buy an old small frame and spend the $800 getting it converted to .44 Special for some time. It sure would be easier and cheaper to just buy it that way from the factory! But I will still buy one of the .357 Anniversary models while I wait.

The .44 Special idea came from this review:

http://gunblast.com/Clements.htm

And I didn't think I needed another Vaquero until I read the review and looked at the photos on gunblast.com. Same small frame. I may have to get one of those too!

http://gunblast.com/Ruger-NewVaquero.htm

I like the Alaskan as well. And the Scout version of the M77. So short and light it would make a neat deer rifle in .308. That Single Six Hunter with two cylinders in 17M2 and 17 HMR is very neat. And I even like the new 22/45.

I already have half a dozen (or so) Rugers and I thought I was all done. But the new stuff has got me looking at them again. And I still need a 5.5" Redhawk in .41 Mag!

Gregg

Ruger # 1 · December 13, 2004, 09:41 PM

I definitely want one! I'm a Ruger fan anyhow, but I thought I had all I needed. I really like the 50th ann. Blackhawk. I hope they continue to offer this , not just as an anniversary piece. I also would love to see this chambered in .44 Special, or possibly .45 Colt. The Alaskan model is also interesting.

FirstFreedom · December 15, 2004, 01:58 PM

Hmmm, I think I'll be buying the same number of guns that I normally buy in a year from the company that urges Congress to pass gun bans, and never so much as apologizes for same. (guess how many!)

tulsamal · December 15, 2004, 03:01 PM

It's amazing. Any and every thread about Rugers pulls one of you guys out from under a rock. He's dead; get over it! I fail to see how gun owners would be better off if a huge American (public) company like Ruger either went broke or got out of making guns entirely.

There is no reason to badmouth them every time somebody says they are making something interesting.

Gregg

FirstFreedom · December 15, 2004, 03:15 PM

Yes there most certainly is, and that's why it is done. You are mistaken. I don't know who "he" is, but I do know that the company is not dead, and it's the COMPANY that took the actions in question. What's amazing is that anyone could rationalize buying from them. It is YOU who needs to "get over it" or at least "get used to it", cuz it ain't gonna stop.

caz223 · December 15, 2004, 04:42 PM

Please don't ruin my thread, FF.

Arub · December 15, 2004, 10:05 PM

If it comes in a 4 5/8" barrel (or 4+") I'd like to add one to my accumulation of handguns (can't really call it a collection). A .45LC would also be enticing. .44spl does hold some interest for me.

Thread back on track?

caz223 · December 16, 2004, 08:00 AM

Thanks.
According to the ruger press release, it will be available first in .357 with a 4 5/8" barrel.
I wouldn't mind one at all, considering the cost of buying an old flat-top, and converting it to .44 special or something like that.
A .41 mag blackhawk was my first, so I wouldn't mind seeing what an updated small frame .357 blackhawk shoots like.

joab · December 16, 2004, 08:14 AM

I would love to buy another especially a resurection gun from Ruger.
However I agree with FF. The company , not just the man, has turned it's back on it's customers too many times.

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He's dead; get over it!

But not his attitude towards not selling hi-caps rifle mags to mere civilians

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would be better off if a huge American (public) company like Ruger either went broke or got out of making guns entirely.

No it would be better if they got their head out of their malodorous nether regions and quit selling the American gunowner out.

As far as ruining you thread.
If this was meant to be a Ruger pet fest you should have entitled it as such.

To answer your question
No I, and I assume FF, will not be buying a product from a company that does not recognize my inherent right to own that product. Cause that would make both me and the company hypocrits

caz223 · December 16, 2004, 03:24 PM

Fine. I tried.

WIL TERRY · December 16, 2004, 10:44 PM

Of the BLACKHAWK FLATTOP 357MAG.

As for all of you other whiners, you are a rude bunch of pissants who should have had the common courtesy to take your combined bellyaching to a different place. This thread was started to find out how the new SA sixgun is being received and that has nothing to do with you or your whining, nor do anyone of us here ever give a damn whether you ever buy a gun from any gun company, RUGER included. To be even blunter, nobody here cares a hoot in hell what rude nincomepoops like you think about anything. Now go away and do your whining elsewhere as you are boring the rest of to no end.

gordo b. · December 16, 2004, 11:06 PM

What did Ruger do to 'improve' the Vaquero?

joab · December 16, 2004, 11:38 PM

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This thread was started to find out how the new SA sixgun is being received

And that question was answered

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nor do anyone of us here ever give a damn whether you ever buy a gun from any gun company, RUGER included.

Then why was the question asked

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To be even blunter, nobody here cares a hoot in hell what rude nincomepoops like you think about anything.

Apparently you also don't give a hoot as to the rules regarding posting in this forum or to mature adult conversation without resorting to personal attacks

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Now go away and do your whining elsewhere as you are boring the rest of to no end.

Maybe you should go away and study the rules that you agreed to when you joined the forum

These forums are about a free exchange of opinions and ideas ,both political and mechanical, regarding firearms.

DPris · December 16, 2004, 11:48 PM

Gordo,
Smaller frame & gripframe, thinner black polymer grips, new cylinder indexing system that aligns a chamber with the gate, re-designed hammer, 30% lighter Wolff mainspring, crescent head ejector rod, Colt-style cylinder pin that's easier to get in & out and shorter to allow another quarter-inch of ejector rod in punching out empties.
Please don't ask about .44 Specials, I'm tired of saying no.

Denis

Sir William · December 17, 2004, 03:44 AM

Well! I want a 44-40! I actually could see this as THE perfect platform to produce dual cylinder 38-40/40 S&W revolvers. Ruger really needs to make a 10MM Bisley Hunter model.

DPris · December 17, 2004, 12:27 PM

Ruger is trying to keep the total number of SKUs down. They used to try to accommodate as many variation requests as they could, they're not going to do that now. They'll concentrate on a core line in calibers that move in sufficient numbers to make it worthwhile to Ruger.
Aside from maybe Davidson's contracting for a run, you won't see a 10mm Bisley Hunter, or a 10mm anything from Ruger. The sales numbers just aren't there.
Denis

461 · December 17, 2004, 02:56 PM

I'll be buying a few of them as I'm very pleased with the changes and look forward to other calibers in the future.

As to the folks who continue to whine, I'm wondering why they are even here since there aren't any manufacturers that they can buy firearms from.

joab · December 17, 2004, 07:41 PM

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As to the folks who continue to whine

Since when is taking a stand based on personal integrity and beliefs whining.
Whining is more like complaining about someone else's opinions and griping that they don't agree with your's

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I'm wondering why they are even here since there aren't any manufacturers that they can buy firearms from.

Since when is Ruger the only game in town

FirstFreedom · December 17, 2004, 07:51 PM

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As for all of you other whiners, you are a rude bunch of pissants who should have had the common courtesy to take your combined bellyaching to a different place.

No, YOU should have the common courtesy to take ruger praising to a forum called the "We Like Guns But Want To Actively Participate in Obliterating Gun Rights By Buying From the Principal Gun Company Architect of Gun Bans" Forum, not this one, where many people actually support the RKBA.

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This thread was started to find out how the new SA sixgun is being received and that has nothing to do with you or your whining,

Wrong. It most certainly does. Anything pro Ruger is always going to be met with the other side presented. Always. So get used to it or hit the road. I'm entitled to my .02 just like anyone else, and so are all the other Ruger boycotters.

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nor do anyone of us here ever give a damn whether you ever buy a gun from any gun company, RUGER included.

Who's "us", because it appears you're in the minority. And I'm in fact "here" and I do care, as does Joab. So you're wrong on that count as well.

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To be even blunter, nobody here cares a hoot in hell what rude nincomepoops like you think about anything.

I wasn't rude at all. I just pointed out a political fact. And you're mistaken. Many do care, including notably joab and many others - do you purport to speak for ALL lurkers? If anything, the only rudeness occuring is people like you money into the pockets of a company that urges Congress to pass gun bans, which in turn infringes MY right to own a firearm - that's extraordinarily rude, if you ask me.

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Now go away and do your whining elsewhere as you are boring the rest of to no end.

Wishful thinking. Bottom line: There is NO SEPARATING the two (the guns and the politics) - they're inescapably tied, and no discussion of Ruger's (admittedly fine) products is EVER complete without mention of their politics,, at least in passing (lest some wayward newb be led to believe they're an OK company to buy from, and lest hardened sellouts like yourself forget that you're a hardened sellout). And you don't sound bored - you sound quite excited - this is a good thing. Any other questions or incorrect statements you want me to correct?

I'll note right here that the name-calling you just engaged in (pissants and nincompoops) is against forum policy as an ad hominem attack, and also does not further your "argument", if that's what you want to call your rant. In contrast, I've broken no forum policies. Have a nice thread.

Your thread is only being "ruined", or interfered with, to the extent that others have hurt it by trying to defend Ruger's politics, when what they should have done is discussed the guns, and ignored my initial post, if they didn't want it to be discussed further. But they chose to discuss it further. So they're gonna get smacked down when they speak deceptions, untruths, and defenses of Ruger's politics. I'd have been perfectly happy with only the initial post had your ruger-loving "friends" (Wil Terry, tulsamal, and 461) not perpetuated the discussion. But they CHOSE to keep discussing it instead. So they should keep that in mind for the next time, and maybe they'll save themselves being exposed to such a great extent on their sellout status.

tc300mag1 · December 17, 2004, 08:03 PM

If i can find one i think i will wonder if they will chamber a 41 in the smaller frame would prefer stainless too.

caz223 · December 17, 2004, 09:42 PM

I didn't ask about politics, please feel free to confine your discussions to their products, I've asked politely many times now.
I don't care about your deep personal convictions

, the resultant continued namecalling and sidetracking, it's pointless.

Here's a few links for people who haven't heard/seen it yet.
http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/index.html
http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger-NewVaquero.htm

Arub · December 18, 2004, 10:12 AM

The only downside I see, so far, is the red case. I bought one of their anniversary(sp?) MarkII's. The red just screams. The quality of what's inside the case does, however, nullify the unattractiveness (I'm probably the only one who feels this way) of the red case. I wish they would have picked black instead of the red.

After going to the link posted, I'm now salivating and hyperventilating. Put me on the 'gotta have' list for the flattop.

caz223 · December 19, 2004, 01:48 PM

I'm kinda cross-eyed for a 4 5/8" .357 mag flattop, myself.
I guess I'll have to stop in at the local toy store and let them know.

guy sajer · December 19, 2004, 08:17 PM

FF & joab

You have every right to an opinion and to buy guns from whomever you please . However , instead of hijacking this one , show some manners and forum courtesy and start another thread . ... Just thought I'd add that Ruger is selling 20 rd Mini14 mags again in the same white box as before . Also , the Mini 14 GB police model is now available in blue or stainless .

caz223

We started seeing the MKIII Hunter's and New Vaquero in the past two weeks . They're getting positive attention . Especially the .22 . Sold several .

December 13, 2004, 11:30 AM	#1
caz223 Senior Member Join Date: May 15, 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,429	Ok, who's buying the 50th anniversary flattop? I see ruger is introducing a whole bunch of new models. Among them, a 50th anniversary blackhawk "flat top" in .357 magnum with the pre-'62 XR-3 gripframe. It's lighter than the ones that are being made now, and many stories are traded in forums like this of how nice the old ones really were. They are making a lot of changes at ruger, and making a lot of new guns that I find desireable. Like the alaskan, the new model vaquero, the 50th anniversary blackhawk, the 345, the markIII, etc. __________________ I'm not just a gun. I'm YOUR gun. (Hold me.)

December 15, 2004, 01:58 PM	#4
FirstFreedom Junior member Join Date: May 31, 2004 Location: The Toll Road State, U.S.A. Posts: 12,451	Gee, Ruger has new stuff eh? Hmmm, I think I'll be buying the same number of guns that I normally buy in a year from the company that urges Congress to pass gun bans, and never so much as apologizes for same. (guess how many!)

December 15, 2004, 04:42 PM	#7
caz223 Senior Member Join Date: May 15, 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,429	Please don't ruin my thread, FF. __________________ I'm not just a gun. I'm YOUR gun. (Hold me.)

December 16, 2004, 08:00 AM	#9
caz223 Senior Member Join Date: May 15, 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,429	Thanks. According to the ruger press release, it will be available first in .357 with a 4 5/8" barrel. I wouldn't mind one at all, considering the cost of buying an old flat-top, and converting it to .44 special or something like that. A .41 mag blackhawk was my first, so I wouldn't mind seeing what an updated small frame .357 blackhawk shoots like. __________________ I'm not just a gun. I'm YOUR gun. (Hold me.)

December 16, 2004, 03:24 PM	#11
caz223 Senior Member Join Date: May 15, 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,429	Fine. I tried. __________________ I'm not just a gun. I'm YOUR gun. (Hold me.)

December 13, 2004, 11:50 AM	#2
tulsamal Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2004 Location: Vinita, OK Posts: 2,552	ME, ME, ME, ME!!!! I'm REALLY excited about this gun. I've already written the factory about continuing the small frame Blackhawk as a catalog item after the Anniversary model is gone. If they would do that and make it in .44 Special as well, they will sell several to me! I've wanted to buy an old small frame and spend the $800 getting it converted to .44 Special for some time. It sure would be easier and cheaper to just buy it that way from the factory! But I will still buy one of the .357 Anniversary models while I wait. The .44 Special idea came from this review: http://gunblast.com/Clements.htm And I didn't think I needed another Vaquero until I read the review and looked at the photos on gunblast.com. Same small frame. I may have to get one of those too! http://gunblast.com/Ruger-NewVaquero.htm I like the Alaskan as well. And the Scout version of the M77. So short and light it would make a neat deer rifle in .308. That Single Six Hunter with two cylinders in 17M2 and 17 HMR is very neat. And I even like the new 22/45. I already have half a dozen (or so) Rugers and I thought I was all done. But the new stuff has got me looking at them again. And I still need a 5.5" Redhawk in .41 Mag! Gregg

December 13, 2004, 09:41 PM	#3
Ruger # 1 Member Join Date: December 6, 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 86	I definitely want one! I'm a Ruger fan anyhow, but I thought I had all I needed. I really like the 50th ann. Blackhawk. I hope they continue to offer this , not just as an anniversary piece. I also would love to see this chambered in .44 Special, or possibly .45 Colt. The Alaskan model is also interesting.

December 15, 2004, 03:01 PM	#5
tulsamal Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2004 Location: Vinita, OK Posts: 2,552	It's amazing. Any and every thread about Rugers pulls one of you guys out from under a rock. He's dead; get over it! I fail to see how gun owners would be better off if a huge American (public) company like Ruger either went broke or got out of making guns entirely. There is no reason to badmouth them every time somebody says they are making something interesting. Gregg

December 15, 2004, 03:15 PM	#6
FirstFreedom Junior member Join Date: May 31, 2004 Location: The Toll Road State, U.S.A. Posts: 12,451	Yes there most certainly is, and that's why it is done. You are mistaken. I don't know who "he" is, but I do know that the company is not dead, and it's the COMPANY that took the actions in question. What's amazing is that anyone could rationalize buying from them. It is YOU who needs to "get over it" or at least "get used to it", cuz it ain't gonna stop.

December 15, 2004, 10:05 PM	#8
Arub Senior Member Join Date: January 20, 2001 Location: UCLA (upper corner of lower Alabama) Posts: 533	If it comes in a 4 5/8" barrel (or 4+") I'd like to add one to my accumulation of handguns (can't really call it a collection). A .45LC would also be enticing. .44spl does hold some interest for me. Thread back on track?

December 16, 2004, 10:44 PM	#12
WIL TERRY Senior Member Join Date: July 7, 2000 Location: BLACK HILLS Posts: 1,322	Well Caz223, I Ordered Mine Last September When I First Heard About The Re-issuance Of the BLACKHAWK FLATTOP 357MAG. As for all of you other whiners, you are a rude bunch of pissants who should have had the common courtesy to take your combined bellyaching to a different place. This thread was started to find out how the new SA sixgun is being received and that has nothing to do with you or your whining, nor do anyone of us here ever give a damn whether you ever buy a gun from any gun company, RUGER included. To be even blunter, nobody here cares a hoot in hell what rude nincomepoops like you think about anything. Now go away and do your whining elsewhere as you are boring the rest of to no end.

December 16, 2004, 11:06 PM	#13
gordo b. Senior Member Join Date: October 20, 2002 Location: Peoples republik of Calif. Posts: 961	What did Ruger do to 'improve' the Vaquero?

December 16, 2004, 11:48 PM	#15
DPris Member Emeritus Join Date: August 19, 2004 Posts: 7,133	Gordo, Smaller frame & gripframe, thinner black polymer grips, new cylinder indexing system that aligns a chamber with the gate, re-designed hammer, 30% lighter Wolff mainspring, crescent head ejector rod, Colt-style cylinder pin that's easier to get in & out and shorter to allow another quarter-inch of ejector rod in punching out empties. Please don't ask about .44 Specials, I'm tired of saying no. Denis

December 17, 2004, 03:44 AM	#16
Sir William Senior Member Join Date: October 13, 2004 Posts: 3,261	Well! I want a 44-40! I actually could see this as THE perfect platform to produce dual cylinder 38-40/40 S&W revolvers. Ruger really needs to make a 10MM Bisley Hunter model.

December 17, 2004, 12:27 PM	#17
DPris Member Emeritus Join Date: August 19, 2004 Posts: 7,133	Ruger is trying to keep the total number of SKUs down. They used to try to accommodate as many variation requests as they could, they're not going to do that now. They'll concentrate on a core line in calibers that move in sufficient numbers to make it worthwhile to Ruger. Aside from maybe Davidson's contracting for a run, you won't see a 10mm Bisley Hunter, or a 10mm anything from Ruger. The sales numbers just aren't there. Denis

December 17, 2004, 02:56 PM	#18
461 Senior Member Join Date: January 13, 1999 Location: Omaha Posts: 250	I'll be buying a few of them as I'm very pleased with the changes and look forward to other calibers in the future. As to the folks who continue to whine, I'm wondering why they are even here since there aren't any manufacturers that they can buy firearms from.

December 17, 2004, 08:03 PM	#21
tc300mag1 Senior Member Join Date: May 17, 2004 Posts: 117	If i can find one i think i will wonder if they will chamber a 41 in the smaller frame would prefer stainless too.

December 17, 2004, 09:42 PM	#22
caz223 Senior Member Join Date: May 15, 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,429	I didn't ask about politics, please feel free to confine your discussions to their products, I've asked politely many times now. I don't care about your deep personal convictions , the resultant continued namecalling and sidetracking, it's pointless. Here's a few links for people who haven't heard/seen it yet. http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/index.html http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger-NewVaquero.htm __________________ I'm not just a gun. I'm YOUR gun. (Hold me.)

December 18, 2004, 10:12 AM	#23
Arub Senior Member Join Date: January 20, 2001 Location: UCLA (upper corner of lower Alabama) Posts: 533	The only downside I see, so far, is the red case. I bought one of their anniversary(sp?) MarkII's. The red just screams. The quality of what's inside the case does, however, nullify the unattractiveness (I'm probably the only one who feels this way) of the red case. I wish they would have picked black instead of the red. After going to the link posted, I'm now salivating and hyperventilating. Put me on the 'gotta have' list for the flattop.

December 19, 2004, 01:48 PM	#24
caz223 Senior Member Join Date: May 15, 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,429	I'm kinda cross-eyed for a 4 5/8" .357 mag flattop, myself. I guess I'll have to stop in at the local toy store and let them know. __________________ I'm not just a gun. I'm YOUR gun. (Hold me.)

December 19, 2004, 08:17 PM	#25
guy sajer Senior Member Join Date: December 7, 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 329	FF & joab You have every right to an opinion and to buy guns from whomever you please . However , instead of hijacking this one , show some manners and forum courtesy and start another thread . ... Just thought I'd add that Ruger is selling 20 rd Mini14 mags again in the same white box as before . Also , the Mini 14 GB police model is now available in blue or stainless . caz223 We started seeing the MKIII Hunter's and New Vaquero in the past two weeks . They're getting positive attention . Especially the .22 . Sold several . __________________ Mitch Please support Crimson Trace Grips , Mossberg and Beretta . They support our troops .