Confused by Enfield type1 mark3

GaryED50 · August 8, 2021, 10:01 AM

Hi
I saw this beauty at my LGS but i've never seen one with those bands wrapped around it like this? was this a field thing done by a solider?

MC 1911 · August 8, 2021, 10:37 AM

They were wrapped like that for lauching grenades if I remember correctly. Possibly in Turkey for crowd control.

ballardw · August 8, 2021, 10:57 AM

There is video about these at https://www.forgottenweapons.com/sml...auncher-video/

GaryED50 · August 8, 2021, 12:41 PM

Thanks guys

That kind of explains the price the LGS is asking $950

Gary

MC 1911 · August 8, 2021, 05:55 PM

It might sit a while at that price!

jonnyc · August 8, 2021, 09:26 PM

WARNING...Do not EVER remove the wire...you will never be able to get it back on again.

MikeG · August 8, 2021, 10:25 PM

The bolt through the forearm just behind the wrap points to India. I have a 1963 Ishapore No1 Mk3* that is like that.

MC 1911 · August 9, 2021, 06:39 AM

MG is correct it was India that I meant and not Turkey as I posted. Thanks for the correction!

**44 AMP** · August 9, 2021, 01:24 PM

Realizing that today, somebody will pay just about any price, I still think $950 is barking stupid.

For one thing, the wire wrapped grenade rifles have always been considered the LEAST desirable SMLE's. As pointed out, one of the grenade rifles in great condition will be about as good as a regular rifle in fair condition and few of the grenade guns are in great condition.

I've got a 1917 SMLE, bought from a friend a bit over 20years ago, for $125. Was a bit stunned to see one at an auction site last week with the price up over $500. Maybe it has something to do with that bad movie 1917 recently released, but $950 for an SMLE grenade gun, almost certainly used in Indian colonial service is just too much for my tastes.

Some fool with more money than brains will eventually find it and probably buy it for the asking price. We have an overabundance of those kind of people, it seems.

GaryED50 · August 9, 2021, 03:08 PM

Needless to say I'm not the buyer!

highpower3006 · August 10, 2021, 06:26 PM

I would be more interested in the rifle above it. Looks like either a 1861 or 1863 Springfield.

GaryED50 · August 11, 2021, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by highpower3006

I would be more interested in the rifle above it. Looks like either a 1861 or 1863 Springfield.

I would too. If I remember right its an 1863. Its in very good condition

August 8, 2021, 10:01 AM	#1
GaryED50 Senior Member Join Date: September 19, 2012 Location: Dawsonville Georgia Posts: 542	Confused by Enfield type1 mark3 Hi I saw this beauty at my LGS but i've never seen one with those bands wrapped around it like this? was this a field thing done by a solider?

August 8, 2021, 10:57 AM	#3
ballardw Senior Member Join Date: September 19, 2008 Posts: 1,475	There is video about these at https://www.forgottenweapons.com/sml...auncher-video/ __________________ -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ All data is flawed, some just less so.

August 8, 2021, 09:26 PM	#6
jonnyc Senior Member Join Date: July 20, 2009 Location: PA Posts: 1,749	WARNING...Do not EVER remove the wire...you will never be able to get it back on again. __________________ 2024 PA Cartridge Collector Show; Aug. 16-17, 2024!!! Buy...Sell...Trade All Types of Ammunition & Ordnance PM or email me for 2024 show details.

August 9, 2021, 01:24 PM	#9
44 AMP Staff Join Date: March 11, 2006 Location: Upper US Posts: 30,503	Realizing that today, somebody will pay just about any price, I still think $950 is barking stupid. For one thing, the wire wrapped grenade rifles have always been considered the LEAST desirable SMLE's. As pointed out, one of the grenade rifles in great condition will be about as good as a regular rifle in fair condition and few of the grenade guns are in great condition. I've got a 1917 SMLE, bought from a friend a bit over 20years ago, for $125. Was a bit stunned to see one at an auction site last week with the price up over $500. Maybe it has something to do with that bad movie 1917 recently released, but $950 for an SMLE grenade gun, almost certainly used in Indian colonial service is just too much for my tastes. Some fool with more money than brains will eventually find it and probably buy it for the asking price. We have an overabundance of those kind of people, it seems. __________________ All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better.

August 8, 2021, 10:37 AM	#2
MC 1911 Senior Member Join Date: February 19, 2011 Location: Virginia Posts: 419	They were wrapped like that for lauching grenades if I remember correctly. Possibly in Turkey for crowd control.

August 8, 2021, 12:41 PM	#4
GaryED50 Senior Member Join Date: September 19, 2012 Location: Dawsonville Georgia Posts: 542	Thanks guys That kind of explains the price the LGS is asking $950 Gary

August 8, 2021, 05:55 PM	#5
MC 1911 Senior Member Join Date: February 19, 2011 Location: Virginia Posts: 419	It might sit a while at that price!

August 8, 2021, 10:25 PM	#7
MikeG Senior Member Join Date: April 2, 2002 Location: Falcon Colorado Posts: 258	The bolt through the forearm just behind the wrap points to India. I have a 1963 Ishapore No1 Mk3* that is like that.

August 9, 2021, 06:39 AM	#8
MC 1911 Senior Member Join Date: February 19, 2011 Location: Virginia Posts: 419	MG is correct it was India that I meant and not Turkey as I posted. Thanks for the correction!

August 9, 2021, 03:08 PM	#10
GaryED50 Senior Member Join Date: September 19, 2012 Location: Dawsonville Georgia Posts: 542	Needless to say I'm not the buyer!

August 10, 2021, 06:26 PM	#11
highpower3006 Senior Member Join Date: July 30, 2011 Location: Savannah TN Posts: 1,221	I would be more interested in the rifle above it. Looks like either a 1861 or 1863 Springfield.