Copper removal?

reynolds357 · January 10, 2019, 08:01 PM

What are you using for copper removal in bore? The only thing I have found that really works fast is Montana Extreme, but I am tired of smelling it.

jpx2rk · January 10, 2019, 08:04 PM

Hoppe's #9 BR copper remover IF I got the name right. Was using Butch's Bore Shine but it just didn't get it done. I may continue to use BBS, but will definitely use the Hoppe's on a regular/periodic basis.

603Country · January 10, 2019, 08:15 PM

Boretech Eliminator. Get that. Nothing better exists.

Having said that, be sure you really want all the copper gone. Some barrels are better with some copper. Once I figured that out, I started doing a light cleaning with Shooter’s Choice (prefer it over Butch’s), and then going after copper when the light cleaning doesn’t bring back the degree of accuracy I expect.

Doyle · January 10, 2019, 08:40 PM

KG12. Google the tests and you'll see the difference.

Art Eatman · January 10, 2019, 09:52 PM

Dunno 'bout good/better/best, but Hoppe's worked okay for me.

reynolds357 · January 10, 2019, 10:53 PM

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KG12. Google the tests and you'll see the difference.

I have some KG12. It's slow as Christmas in a leap year.

Colorado Redneck · January 10, 2019, 11:31 PM

Hoppes Benchrest isn't exactly a quick copper cleaner outer. My 243 Win. Copper fouls with Barnes bullets in short order, about 18 rounds is max then accuracy goes in the crapper. It takes a few hours to get it cleaned out with Hoppes BR. After the carbon is eliminated, a couple patches with Hoppes BR, let it soak for a spell, wipe out, repeat about 5 or 6 or 10 times before the dry patches come out white after the soak.

I have used Sweets, but it takes a lot of scrubbing and elbow grease ( I call it Sweats). Has a strong ammonia stink. So Hoppes BR is what I use.

ymmv

RC20 · January 10, 2019, 11:56 PM

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Boretech Eliminator. Get that. Nothing better exists.

No odor, not haz and proven by borscope to actually work and how well

http://www.slip2000.com/blog/precisi...ting-magazine/

There may be similar, but there are no better.

mehavey · January 11, 2019, 12:02 AM

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I have some KG12. It's slow as Christmas in a leap year.

KG-12 will chelate and patch out every bit of copper in two 5-min patch cycles of wet/wait/dry/dry

LineStretcher · January 11, 2019, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by 603Country

Boretech Eliminator. Get that. Nothing better exists.

Having said that, be sure you really want all the copper gone. Some barrels are better with some copper. Once I figured that out, I started doing a light cleaning with Shooter’s Choice (prefer it over Butch’s), and then going after copper when the light cleaning doesn’t bring back the degree of accuracy I expect.

Yep, Bore Tech is the stuff to get. It's on Amazon. Also get their non reactive Jags or you'll be chasing false positives.

reynolds357 · January 11, 2019, 08:43 AM

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KG-12 will chelate and patch out every bit of copper in two 5-min patch cycles of wet/wait/dry/dry

Actually I have used KG12Big Bore. What is the difference in kg12 and kg12Big Bore? It took me a couple days of soak scrub cycles to get the rifles clean with the BigBore.

RC20 · January 11, 2019, 05:14 PM

None of them are Bore Tech?

mehavey · January 11, 2019, 07:14 PM

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It took me a couple days of soak scrub cycles to get the rifles clean

OOC, what were you using to determine if there was residual copper ?
(and did you use a powder solvent first ?)

reynolds357 · January 11, 2019, 09:00 PM

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OOC, what were you using to determine if there was residual copper ?
(and did you use a powder solvent first ?)

The instructions I had said nothing about using a powder solvent. Bore scope was how I identify residual Copper. It also plainly showed no carbon.

mehavey · January 11, 2019, 09:16 PM

1 pic is worth 1,000 words.
But two pics ?

After normal clean w/ "conventional" solvents . . . . . . . . . . . . . then hit it w/ two KG-12 cycles.
( . . . .Significant copper fouling residual. . . .)

KG-12 (if/when needed), works best when carbon/powder is removed via KG-1.

My experience over many years mirrors this guys:
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...ries-solvents/

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reynolds357 · January 12, 2019, 09:24 AM

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After normal clean w/ "conventional" solvents . . . . . . . . . . . . . then hit it w/ two KG-12 cycles.
( . . . .Significant copper fouling residual. . . .)

I will try kg12 again. I don't guess I understand the "after normal clean" part. My "normal clean" is not over until the copper is gone.

mehavey · January 12, 2019, 10:08 AM

My usual routine is a sloppy patch of KG-1 which when patched dry has removed 95-98% of all carbon.

IF there's then any hint of copper, then two sloppy KG-12 cycles (5-10min left wet)/dry-patched. Walk away.
Brown crud (not blue) on dry patch = chelated copper removed.

Granted it's a distributer's site, but the results shown mirror my own when I tried it using a McDonalds ketchup cup and a standard 375 Speer. The stuff just eats copper.
http://www.coretacsolutions.com/prod..._KG12_TEST.htm
https://www.eabco.com/KG12Test.pdf

zeke · January 12, 2019, 10:58 AM

Another firm believer in KG-12. Basically it is instant. Am not letting it soak into the bore, and using it after removing powder fouling. The company used to be located bout 30 miles away.

WARNING-IT BE HAZARDOUS. Am always using fresh gloves and paper liners in pan outside the muzzle. Course am now using gloves when cleaning any firearm with any solvent.

RC20 · January 12, 2019, 01:39 PM

And Bore Tech Eliminator not only works, its NON HAZ and Non Odor (which makes my wife very happy as the shop is attached to the house.

Not sure why anyone would use a haz material in this day and age when non haz is available.

std7mag · January 12, 2019, 02:01 PM

You just leave the copper in my bore, right wher it is!!!

Clean with Hoppes #9 to remove carbon.
Oil, put away till next time.

mehavey · January 12, 2019, 02:52 PM

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And Bore Tech Eliminator not only works, its NON HAZ . . .
Not sure why anyone would use a haz material in this
day and age when non haz is available.

This is why:

DATA SOURCE: http://www.coretacsolutions.com/prod..._KG12_TEST.htm

RC20 · January 12, 2019, 04:21 PM

Not that the test would be setup to be biased of course.

What I can say is per the link, my experience and confirmed by Unclenick, Bore Tech removes copper that is layer in a barrel and does it very good.

Its also NON HAZ. It has a carbon cleaner as well so if its just a normal carbon layer it will take that out and get to the copper under it.

I know which one is both safer and is effective.

And to contend that the Bore Tech Copper only does nothing, wow.

mehavey · January 12, 2019, 05:50 PM

The data's the data, RC.
Simple test, simple results.

zeke · January 12, 2019, 07:55 PM

It's good to have options, and be able to pick what fits our needs.

reynolds357 · January 12, 2019, 08:43 PM

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The data's the data, RC.
Simple test, simple results.

Not saying they did, but you can manipulate testing to give you about any data set you want. I am going to try KG12 big bore again. When I last tried it, I did not get results comparable to what is seen and talked about on here. Maybe I had a dud batch. I still have about 2 ounces of it back at my shop.

Again, can anyone tell me what the difference is between KG12 and KG12 Big bore?

January 10, 2019, 08:01 PM	#1
reynolds357 Senior Member Join Date: December 10, 2012 Posts: 6,187	Copper removal? What are you using for copper removal in bore? The only thing I have found that really works fast is Montana Extreme, but I am tired of smelling it.

January 11, 2019, 05:14 PM	#12
RC20 Senior Member Join Date: April 10, 2008 Location: Alaska Posts: 7,334	None of them are Bore Tech? __________________ Science and Facts are True whether you believe it or not

January 11, 2019, 09:16 PM	#15
mehavey Senior Member Join Date: June 17, 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,210	1 pic is worth 1,000 words. But two pics ? After normal clean w/ "conventional" solvents . . . . . . . . . . . . . then hit it w/ two KG-12 cycles. ( . . . .Significant copper fouling residual. . . .) KG-12 (if/when needed), works best when carbon/powder is removed via KG-1. My experience over many years mirrors this guys: https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...ries-solvents/ . Last edited by mehavey; January 11, 2019 at 09:33 PM.

January 12, 2019, 01:39 PM	#19
RC20 Senior Member Join Date: April 10, 2008 Location: Alaska Posts: 7,334	And Bore Tech Eliminator not only works, its NON HAZ and Non Odor (which makes my wife very happy as the shop is attached to the house. Not sure why anyone would use a haz material in this day and age when non haz is available. __________________ Science and Facts are True whether you believe it or not

January 12, 2019, 02:01 PM	#20
std7mag Senior Member Join Date: June 23, 2013 Location: Central Taxylvania.. Posts: 3,611	You just leave the copper in my bore, right wher it is!!! Clean with Hoppes #9 to remove carbon. Oil, put away till next time. __________________ When our own government declares itself as "tyrannical", where does that leave us??!! "Januarary 6th insurrection". Funny, I didn't see a single piece of rope...

January 10, 2019, 08:04 PM	#2
jpx2rk Senior Member Join Date: December 29, 2015 Posts: 392	Hoppe's #9 BR copper remover IF I got the name right. Was using Butch's Bore Shine but it just didn't get it done. I may continue to use BBS, but will definitely use the Hoppe's on a regular/periodic basis.

January 10, 2019, 08:15 PM	#3
603Country Senior Member Join Date: January 6, 2011 Location: Thornton, Texas Posts: 4,039	Boretech Eliminator. Get that. Nothing better exists. Having said that, be sure you really want all the copper gone. Some barrels are better with some copper. Once I figured that out, I started doing a light cleaning with Shooter’s Choice (prefer it over Butch’s), and then going after copper when the light cleaning doesn’t bring back the degree of accuracy I expect.

January 10, 2019, 08:40 PM	#4
Doyle Senior Member Join Date: June 20, 2007 Location: Rainbow City, Alabama Posts: 7,167	KG12. Google the tests and you'll see the difference.

January 10, 2019, 09:52 PM	#5
Art Eatman Staff in Memoriam Join Date: November 13, 1998 Location: Terlingua, TX; Thomasville, GA Posts: 24,798	Dunno 'bout good/better/best, but Hoppe's worked okay for me.

January 10, 2019, 11:31 PM	#7
Colorado Redneck Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2008 Location: Northeast Colorado Posts: 2,006	Hoppes Benchrest isn't exactly a quick copper cleaner outer. My 243 Win. Copper fouls with Barnes bullets in short order, about 18 rounds is max then accuracy goes in the crapper. It takes a few hours to get it cleaned out with Hoppes BR. After the carbon is eliminated, a couple patches with Hoppes BR, let it soak for a spell, wipe out, repeat about 5 or 6 or 10 times before the dry patches come out white after the soak. I have used Sweets, but it takes a lot of scrubbing and elbow grease ( I call it Sweats). Has a strong ammonia stink. So Hoppes BR is what I use. ymmv

January 12, 2019, 10:08 AM	#17
mehavey Senior Member Join Date: June 17, 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,210	My usual routine is a sloppy patch of KG-1 which when patched dry has removed 95-98% of all carbon. IF there's then any hint of copper, then two sloppy KG-12 cycles (5-10min left wet)/dry-patched. Walk away. Brown crud (not blue) on dry patch = chelated copper removed. Granted it's a distributer's site, but the results shown mirror my own when I tried it using a McDonalds ketchup cup and a standard 375 Speer. The stuff just eats copper. http://www.coretacsolutions.com/prod..._KG12_TEST.htm https://www.eabco.com/KG12Test.pdf

January 12, 2019, 10:58 AM	#18
zeke Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 1999 Location: NW Wi Posts: 1,759	Another firm believer in KG-12. Basically it is instant. Am not letting it soak into the bore, and using it after removing powder fouling. The company used to be located bout 30 miles away. WARNING-IT BE HAZARDOUS. Am always using fresh gloves and paper liners in pan outside the muzzle. Course am now using gloves when cleaning any firearm with any solvent.

January 12, 2019, 04:21 PM	#22
RC20 Senior Member Join Date: April 10, 2008 Location: Alaska Posts: 7,334	Not that the test would be setup to be biased of course. What I can say is per the link, my experience and confirmed by Unclenick, Bore Tech removes copper that is layer in a barrel and does it very good. Its also NON HAZ. It has a carbon cleaner as well so if its just a normal carbon layer it will take that out and get to the copper under it. I know which one is both safer and is effective. And to contend that the Bore Tech Copper only does nothing, wow. __________________ Science and Facts are True whether you believe it or not

January 12, 2019, 05:50 PM	#23
mehavey Senior Member Join Date: June 17, 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,210	The data's the data, RC. Simple test, simple results.

January 12, 2019, 07:55 PM	#24
zeke Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 1999 Location: NW Wi Posts: 1,759	It's good to have options, and be able to pick what fits our needs.