Need some Help 1911 cmd vs glock 30 gen 4

[phillyr121]

Confused:
I have a Ruger s9c - EDC. I want to buy a 45acp. Not sure which to buy a Ruger SR1911 cmd or Glock 30 gen 4.

Please give me your opinions. Which is easier to carry, clean and less troubles.

[Uncle Malice]

Easier to clean: Glock 30

Less troubles: Glock 30(probably - In general Glocks are more reliable than 1911s)

Easier to carry: Hard call. The 1911 is thinner, so it may conceal easier. The Glock 30 is probably a little lighter so it might be a little 'easier' but a good belt/holster should mitigate the issue.

My call between the two would be for the Glock 30... although I'm actually carrying an HK45C lately. And I love it. I just converted it from standard DA/SA to Light LEM trigger last night. It carries very well in a CompTac Infidel kydex holster IWB.

[Nathan]

I own neither. I would have a hard time carrying a G30, except OWB due to width, so I would go 1911.

With a 1911, I find the full size, I find the grip a bit long, but a reasonable compromise with a 5" barrel.

For CCW, I really like the CCO size. I just got a DW CCO and am quite happy with it. Need to get more rounds through it before I can say go to it as a CCW. Then, I need to start getting a holster ready to go. . .

[David spargenator]

Glock. All the way. For more reasons than I wanna write down. Lol

[HMC8404]

Glock, in all regards. But I'm old school and synthetics are butt ugly in IMO. Admittedly though, I did buy an AR.

[tipoc]

These are entirely different guns and modes of operation you're looking at. Get one now and learn it well and in a year get the other and learn it well also. Then decide.

tipoc

[Aguila Blanca]

Keep in mind that Glock created and introduced the .45 GAP (Glock Automatic Pistol) cartridge because the grip of a .45 ACP Glock 30 was so large that many police officers couldn't hold it securely enough to shoot well. This won't be a problem if you have large hands, but it's a problem for women and for men with less than large hands.

[WC145]

These are entirely different guns and modes of operation you're looking at. Get one now and learn it well and in a year get the other and learn it well also. Then decide.

tipoc

This ^^^^^. The only thing those two guns have in common is caliber. Plus, you're asking for advice from a crowd that can have very strong opinions about different platforms, especially Glock vs 1911. I suggest you educate yourself on both, learn the differences, shoot them if possible, and then you can make an informed decision.

Personally, I'm a 1911 guy, can't stand Glocks. Between the two, I'd buy the Ruger, but, like I said, I'm biased.

[pete2]

Spend a little more and buy a Colt or Springfield 1911.

[Bart Noir]

I am shopping for a holster for my new Glock 30S, yes, the "S" model.

This gun has the SF frame, which changed a too-big pistol into one that seems to have been molded for my hand. It has a very nice trigger, is more accurate than I am, and the slide on this model is same width (about) as a .40 S&W Glock. Yet it is a .45.

I like the SF frame so much I also bought a Glock 29 SF.

I have a 1911 Commander but plan to carry the Glock 30S instead.

Bart Noir

[Tactical Jackalope]

Glock 30 100%, all the way, not even a comparison for CCW.

Also for too many reasons that I wish to write down right now.

[GReents]

I've become a 1911 addict. I carry a Kimber Pro Carry HD II.

Fire both. One will call to you. Go with that.

[thedudeabides]

The 1911 will be much more reliable and accurate than the G30 family, mostly because of its longer barrel and much better lock up than Glock's sloppy barrel/slide fit. I have owned a G30 and multiple 4" and 4.25" 1911s.

The 1911 will be slimmer and easier to carry, heavier as a steel frame, reasonably light as an alloy frame. Also, the G30 is closer in size to a CCO or an Officer's 1911.

The G30 will hold 10+1, the 1911 will do 8+1 at best. I have never given a crap about capacity.

[Gaerek]

The 1911 will be much more reliable and accurate than the G30 family, mostly because of its longer barrel and much better lock up than Glock's sloppy barrel/slide fit. I have owned a G30 and multiple 4" and 4.25" 1911s.

Accurate? Possibly, it really depends on the 1911. But at SD distances, in an SD situation, the tiny bit of extra accuracy isn't going to help much. But reliability? When I go to range, most of the time when I see people having gun issues, they're shooting a 1911. 1911's can be very ammo picky. And if they've been tuned too much (or not enough!) they can be finicky. Glocks will eat whatever ammo you feed them without issue (still, test your carry ammo before carrying...it's always a good idea), and if you leave them the hell alone, you won't have any issues. My G19 has around 4000 rounds through it. Not a single malfunction, double feed, etc, with the exception of the stove pipe I purposely induced to see if I could.

Not all 1911's are built equally, and some are absolutely reliable and will eat whatever you feed them. But to say they're more reliable than a Glock? I don't buy it. I'd agree that they can be as reliable, but any random 1911 or Glock, out of the box with any type of random ammo, I'll pick a Glock for reliability each and every time.

Having said that, I'm thinking about picking up a G30S. I haven't seen one that I could buy locally since they came out, but I'll eventually get one. I have a G21 that I absolutely love. The thing drives tacks and is so nice and easy to shoot.

And to the OP, the guns really are two different beasts. If you are a 1911 lover, pick the 1911. If you have no real thought either way, I think you'll be happier with the Glock as a concealment gun. Smaller (as in shorter package) with more rounds (10 standard instead of 8). Most people won't be able to utilize the slightly better accuracy (possibly, depends on the 1911 you buy, of course) of the 1911, especially in an SD situation. Though I would actually look into a 30S instead of the 30 if you're looking for concealment. It's a smaller gun that still uses all the same mags, etc.

Of course, I'm what many might call a Glock fanboy so take my opinions (and all the others) with a grain of salt. Go shoot both, see which is easier for you to conceal, and weigh the pros and cons of each.

EDIT: BTW, Massad Ayoob has stated that he believe the Glock 21 and 30 are the most accurate Glocks made. I don't remember where I read this, but I've seen it in a couple different places. Doing a quick search led me to this little gem from the following article by the aforementioned Ayoob.

From: http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/21/ma...-30s-in-45acp/

Shot from a Matrix rest on a concrete bench at 25 yards were 5-shot groups, measured each once for all five shots, and again for the best three, the latter measurement to factor out as much human error as possible. Measured center-to-center between the farthest bullet holes in question, to the nearest 0.05 inch—my testing protocol for well over a decade now.

Atlanta Arms & Ammo remanufactured 230-grain full metal jacket put all five in 2.25 inches, the first three hits in 0.75 inch. This proved to be the best group of the test. The always-accurate Black Hills 230-grain jacketed hollow point delivered 2.90 inches for all five and 1.55 inches for the best three. Remington 185-grain Express JHP punched five holes at 3.25 inches, the best three of them forming a 1.60-inch group.

For perspective, this is not the best I’ve seen done or even done myself with a standard Glock 30. However, the 5-shot groups with the 30S average 0.53 inch larger, and the 3-shot measurements 0.17 inch larger, than I got a few months ago with a fancy, big-name, 5-inch-barreled 1911 I tested for another magazine. That 1911 carries a manufacturer’s suggested retail price of $1,103. With its typical Glock pricing, the 30S looks to me like a heckuva deal.

In other words, you're looking at about a half inch better accuracy out of an out of the box 1911 than the G30 at 25 yards. Come down to more common SD ranges (say 10 yards or less) and do the math at how much more accurate a 1911 that costs twice as much is. That extra $600 I spend on the gun is a lot of training ammo.

[Uncle Malice]

The 1911 will be much more reliable and accurate than the G30 family,

....what....?

Surely you did not type that with a straight face.

[thedudeabides]

1911 isn't a brand. The reliable ones are 100% reliable. I have shot competitions and taken countless reactive training courses with my shotguns, 1911s, and ARs (I lived close to a range, reloaded a lot, and had lots of free weekends before money, hand surgery, and a baby changed that). At the end of the day just about every pistols there had failures.

I ran the courses with my CQB bull barrel, a Caspian CQB bull barrel knockoff my wife's dad (I refuse to call a man 10 years older father in law) built for me, TRP, and an HK45--those were the few that never failed, and we had the usual cadre of Glock fanboys staring blankly as to why their perfect G21 had locked up when caked with mud and soaked with rainwater.

I have shot all manner of ammo types through my 1911s and the ammo "finnickyness" is a symptom of trying to feed modern ammo through guns built 50 years ago or on 50 year old machines somewhere in the Pacific Rim. Modern 1911s built to modern standards will feed anything. They will also take lead bullets without destroying themselves.

[rwilson452]

1911 vs glock fight has been going on since the glock was introduced. In the end it is a matter of personal fit. what feels better in your hand not someone commenting here all people are different. Both the 1911 and XD fit my had well the glocks don't fondle them both and shoot them if you can before you lay your money down. admittedly mostly I open carry. in my area it is not an issue.

[Uncle Malice]

The reliable ones are 100% reliable.

I agree with you, but the reliable Taurus guns are 100% reliable too. If we look at production numbers, the likelihood of a 1911 having issues is far greater than that of the Glock 30.

I don't think you can realistically argue that, at all. I have certainly seen reliable 1911s myself, but if you were to walk into a store and choose 25 random 1911s off of the shelf from any manufacturer and 25 Glock 30s.... You're going to have more failures with the 1911's out of the box.

[Gaerek]

I'm not wanting to turn this into a Glock vs. 1911 war. However, I have some issues with your comments.

1911 isn't a brand. The reliable ones are 100% reliable.

How much are we spending on a 100% reliable 1911? Surely much more than the G30 price tag of around $550. You can find 1911's in that price range for sure, but I wouldn't trust it to be reliable any further than I could throw it. You're probably looking at at least $800 (and I'm giving a HUGE benefit of the doubt here) to have a reliable 1911. But then, your slide to frame fit and lock up is probably as sloppy as a Glock's at that point. Reliable AND accurate 1911's are going to set you back in the 4 figure range.

I have shot competitions and taken countless reactive training courses with my shotguns, 1911s, and ARs (I lived close to a range, reloaded a lot, and had lots of free weekends before money, hand surgery, and a baby changed that). At the end of the day just about every pistols there had failures.

I agree here. I've seen basically every type of pistol malfunction at one time or another. Like any piece of machinery, there's no such thing as something that is 100% reliable 100% of the time. There are far too many variables to ever make that claim. Some are in the gun design, some are shooter induced.

I ran the courses with my CQB bull barrel, a Caspian CQB bull barrel knockoff my wife's dad (I refuse to call a man 10 years older father in law) built for me, TRP, and an HK45--those were the few that never failed, and we had the usual cadre of Glock fanboys staring blankly as to why their perfect G21 had locked up when caked with mud and soaked with rainwater.

My old friend, anecdote! I can play that game too. I've seen mud caked Glocks and 1911s. The 1911's were the ones that failed. The Glocks were fine once the mag was rinsed. But then again, we have something actually documented, and not just random stories of 1911 and Glock fanboys trying to one up each other, that Glocks will keep running even in the absolute worst conditions:

http://www.theprepared.com/index.php...iew&id=90&Item

Care to run one of your 1911's through that and tell us how it fared?

I have shot all manner of ammo types through my 1911s and the ammo "finnickyness" is a symptom of trying to feed modern ammo through guns built 50 years ago or on 50 year old machines somewhere in the Pacific Rim.

Somewhat true. It's why people don't drive Model T's as their every day driver anymore.

Modern 1911s built to modern standards will feed anything.

And yet, you still see forum threads, stories, and even articles that talk about having to possibly try a couple types of ammo before you find one that runs through your modern 1911. So, whatever. It's your story, tell it how you want.

They will also take lead bullets without destroying themselves.

Was this supposed to be a stab at Glocks? I though we were talking about reliability and accuracy here. Oh well, I'll bite.

1. Most people don't reload, so it's a non-issue for most people.
2. Even for those that reload, many still have no problem using FMJs...that's what I do for all my .45s. Even if I didn't have a Glock, I'd still reload FMJ.
2. For $100 you can run lead through your Glock. That still prices it $500 less than a 1911 with similar reliability and accuracy.

Hey, if you like 1911's, great. But you need to be realistic. Your post was mostly just a stab at Glock fanboys. The thing you don't realize is that you're a 1911 fanboy just as much, if not more than I am a Glock fanboy...your post stinks of fanboyism (as do mine). To you no gun will ever be as good as the 1911, no matter what anyone says. At least I can say a high quality, well tuned 1911 will beat most guns out there as far as accuracy and reliability. You're the one who seems to have an issue with a Tupperware gun coming anywhere close to the reliability and accuracy of your precious 1911. By the way, your signature pretty much confirms your fanboyism.

EDIT: Edited for clarity

[scottl]

I'm not wanting to turn this into a Glock vs. 1911 war. However, I have some issues with your comments.

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1911 isn't a brand. The reliable ones are 100% reliable.
How much are we spending on a 100% reliable 1911? Surely much more than the G30 price tag of around $550. You can find 1911's in that price range for sure, but I wouldn't trust it to be reliable any further than I could throw it. You're probably looking at at least $800 (and I'm giving a HUGE benefit of the doubt here) to have a reliable 1911. But then, your slide to frame fit and lock up is probably as sloppy as a Glock's at that point. Reliable AND accurate 1911's are going to set you back in the 4 figure range.

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I have shot competitions and taken countless reactive training courses with my shotguns, 1911s, and ARs (I lived close to a range, reloaded a lot, and had lots of free weekends before money, hand surgery, and a baby changed that). At the end of the day just about every pistols there had failures.
I agree here. I've seen basically every type of pistol malfunction at one time or another. Like any piece of machinery, there's no such thing as something that is 100% reliable 100% of the time. There are far too many variables to ever make that claim. Some are in the gun design, some are shooter induced.

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I ran the courses with my CQB bull barrel, a Caspian CQB bull barrel knockoff my wife's dad (I refuse to call a man 10 years older father in law) built for me, TRP, and an HK45--those were the few that never failed, and we had the usual cadre of Glock fanboys staring blankly as to why their perfect G21 had locked up when caked with mud and soaked with rainwater.
My old friend, anecdote! I can play that game too. I've seen mud caked Glocks and 1911s. The 1911's were the ones that failed. The Glocks were fine once the mag was rinsed. But then again, we have something actually documented, and not just random stories of 1911 and Glock fanboys trying to one up each other, that Glocks will keep running even in the absolute worst conditions:

http://www.theprepared.com/index.php...iew&id=90&Item

Care to run one of your 1911's through that and tell us how it fared?

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I have shot all manner of ammo types through my 1911s and the ammo "finnickyness" is a symptom of trying to feed modern ammo through guns built 50 years ago or on 50 year old machines somewhere in the Pacific Rim.
Somewhat true. It's why people don't drive Model T's as their every day driver anymore.

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Modern 1911s built to modern standards will feed anything.
And yet, you still see forum threads, stories, and even articles that talk about having to possibly try a couple types of ammo before you find one that runs through your modern 1911. So, whatever. It's your story, tell it how you want.

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They will also take lead bullets without destroying themselves.
Was this supposed to be a stab at Glocks? I though we were talking about reliability and accuracy here. Oh well, I'll bite.

1. Most people don't reload, so it's a non-issue for most people.
2. Even for those that reload, many still have no problem using FMJs...that's what I do for all my .45s. Even if I didn't have a Glock, I'd still reload FMJ.
2. For $100 you can run lead through your Glock. That still prices it $500 less than a 1911 with similar reliability and accuracy.

Hey, if you like 1911's, great. But you need to be realistic. Your post was mostly just a stab at Glock fanboys. The thing you don't realize is that you're a 1911 fanboy just as much, if not more than I am a Glock fanboy...your post stinks of fanboyism (as do mine). To you no gun will ever be as good as the 1911, no matter what anyone says. At least I can say \ a high quality, well tuned 1911 will beat most guns out there as far as accuracy and reliability. You're the one who seems to have an issue with a Tupperware gun coming anywhere close to the reliability and accuracy of your precious 1911. By the way, your signature pretty much confirms your fanboyism

All I got to say is...LMAO at some of your statements.

[thedudeabides]

1911s are reliable due to proper fitting.

Glocks are reliable because they're so sloppy that they will feed and chamber anything, assuming that they didn't over-ream the chamber and your reliability will result in bulging/blown out cases.

I'm always amused to see Glockers shooting factory loads at the range and seeing small bulges in the cases when shooting anything but the lowest pressure ammo--hell, my G30 would bulge +P 45 ACP loads. I recently bought 500 9mm cases from the range after a competition with Glocks and THOSE are bulged to the point they won't fit most match barrels.

[ferretray]

Try both. The Glock .45's are too big for my hands.
I modify my Colt 1911's to better fit ME. Flat MSH and short trigger.

[Gaerek]

Bulging with 230gr +P? No kidding?

And really, who does bulging really affect? Most people? Not in the least. I've reloaded thousands of rounds of .45 shot from my G21. The bulging issue is rare, at best, as long as you're not trying to push that 230gr projectile to ridiculous velocities. A standard pressure .45 is all you need for anything.

Saying a Glock is sloppy is like calling an AK47 sloppy. Is it true? Sure. Personally, I'd use different words for it. It's what allows the gun to run in situations where the "superior" 1911 will choke like the Centenarian it is. Ever see a sloppy 1911? Yeah, it's sloppy. Low reliability and no accuracy. A loose fit Glock, however is comparably accurate and at least as, if not more reliable than that custom $2k 1911 that was hand fit.

I have absolutely no issue with 1911's. They're fun to shoot. They're one of, if not the most historically relevant firearm of the last 100 years. And if you enjoy carrying them, then more power to you. I'd never tell you that you made a mistake carrying that. But going back to the topic at hand. If you're looking for a good combat handgun, that will give you years of service with little issues, is accurate enough for self defense, get a Glock, save yourself at least $500 or $600 and spend that on ammo and training. I would never recommend a 1911 as a first carry gun.

You do understand what you're doing now, right? You've brought the thread very off topic, and continue to do so by trying to be petty with issues about the Glock that don't even matter to most people. Fanboy much? What's next, going to bring up brass to the face? What about Glocknades?

Anyway, I think the OP has enough information to make his decision. If bulging brass on +P ammo is an issue for you go for the 1911. If you want a good quality, relatively low cost, combat handgun that leaves you some extra cash for training (GET TRAINING...more important than just about anything else you could spend money on) and ammo, get the Glock.

[bossman]

Glock 36 is a single stack 45 acp. If the Glock 30 is to big grip wise try the 36. Great EDC gun the Glock-36.

[Hal]

I can't stand Glocks.
They are soulless pieces of plastic.

However - that's not a bad thing.
The 30 is spooky accurate, holds 10 rounds and is one rugged/tough piece of work.
It's all business.

A Commander sized 1911 is a true wonder.
A simply marvelous piece of machinery.
It has the potential to be as accurate as your wallet will allow.


Given the choice - if it's for "business" I'd really lean towards the Glock - but - before I'd slap the credit card on the counter, I'd cave in and get the Commander.