John Stossel denied CCW in NYC

press1280 · November 23, 2013, 11:29 AM

He didn't have a "special need"-threats as well as a "Kill John Stossel" website weren't enough.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dma05WFax0

**Aguila Blanca** · November 23, 2013, 11:33 AM

He just doesn't have [enough] friends in high [enough] places.

press1280 · November 23, 2013, 11:50 AM

It would be nice if Stossel files a 2A lawsuit (I doubt he would). I would think he could theoretically fly through the lower Federal Courts since Kachalsky is the law of the 2nd circuit. The district and 2nd circuits wouldn't need much time to throw opinions together. Then he could petition SCOTUS for review, and I believe his "need" is much better than Kachalsky's and his position as a nationally known reporter would indeed push the issue to larger proportions than it is now, and make this harder for SCOTUS to deny cert.

glh17 · November 23, 2013, 11:50 AM

Ridiculous process but I didn't hear where he was denied CCW in the video. Did I miss something? If he was denied, it seems to me that it would be a good case to challenge the NYC law.

press1280 · November 23, 2013, 12:05 PM

He said he wanted a carry permit several times. The NYC PD told him he could get a license to have it in his home.
Edit: That video was an abbreviated version. I will put the full version in the OP.

glh17 · November 23, 2013, 12:17 PM

Press, I'll take your word for it about the denial. No need to mess with other video on my account. It would seem to be a very good case to challenge the NYC law.

press1280 · November 23, 2013, 12:31 PM

Already done-it's much better explained on this video.

Any way to push NRA or SAF to take up a new lawsuit with Stossel as lead plaintiff?

g.willikers · November 23, 2013, 12:54 PM

Boy, that sounds like a natural combination for a successful legal reply to NY laws.
All it takes is money.
Lots and lots of money.
If the SAF would pursue this one, I would donate, fur sure.

Glenn E. Meyer · November 23, 2013, 12:59 PM

I feel much safer now if I visit NYC. I was worried about him wandering the street.

So much for the SCOTUS decisions turning antigun places into gun heaven. I guess Wily Old Bird Scalia missed the boat.

heyjoe · November 23, 2013, 06:53 PM

those of us in ny would tend to agree with you Glenn Meyer

BigD_in_FL · November 24, 2013, 04:59 PM

Those of you still IN NYC that agree should have moved out by now

Buzzcook · November 25, 2013, 02:02 AM

I wouldn't want to see Stossel with a gun myself. If his shooting was as far off as his reporting, no one would be safe.

maestro pistolero · November 25, 2013, 02:20 AM

Stossel has been a friend to the second amendment on more than a couple occasions.

leadcounsel · November 25, 2013, 04:13 AM

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Buzzcook said: I wouldn't want to see Stossel with a gun myself. If his shooting was as far off as his reporting, no one would be safe.

Good thing that Buzzcook doesn't get to decide who can own guns...

I agree this would make a great lawsuit and I'm certain Stossel has the money for it, or could get the backing and press.

doofus47 · November 25, 2013, 01:01 PM

GlenEMeyer:

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I feel much safer now if I visit NYC. I was worried about him wandering the street.

Be careful, I bet he's still carrying a pen or two. Those are mightier than the sword from what I've read....

heyjoe · November 25, 2013, 02:05 PM

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Those of you still IN NYC that agree should have moved out by now

with the shift in demographics and voting patterns in Florida you might be looking to move in the not too distant future

**Tom Servo** · November 25, 2013, 02:32 PM

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Those of you still IN NYC that agree should have moved out by now

It's simply not an option for some folks to just get up and move, and that's not really a helpful suggestion. If everyone opposed to the state's laws just left, there'd be no one left to contest them.

JERRYS. · November 25, 2013, 02:50 PM

his life isn't important enough until he golfs with a district judge.

Mr. James · November 26, 2013, 11:25 PM

Mr. Servo,

Sorry for this late reply, but I agree. There have been times when moving was simply not on the table. Some friends and I have discussed abandoning the Old Dominion(!), especially after the election of a clean slate of . . . well, never mind. And we have very good gun laws. Some of us figured we'd stay and fight. God bless you guys in New York, Massachusetts, Maryland, Illinois, California, etc. for keeping up the good fight.

The Stossel story is absurd. He has death threats. Give him his "permit."

ClydeFrog · November 29, 2013, 01:31 PM

I recall journalist Emily Miller of the DC area; Washington Times documenting her process to get a new valid CCW permit for the District of Columbia.
A few of her blog posts were interesting.

Clyde

JERRYS. · November 29, 2013, 01:35 PM

wash dc doesn't have ccw permits, they have some sort of special license just to own a gun, but none at all to carry one.

Glenn E. Meyer · November 29, 2013, 02:12 PM

I think the Stossel story is another indication that the recent SCOTUS decisions weren't paradigm changers in actual practice.

Wily Old Bird Scalia seems to be something of a old turkey when you look at the new laws after Sandy Hook and implementation of decisions such as Posner's in IL. Has it been an easy road? Have many progun decisions (IL was one) be generated to lead to easy access and elimination of weapons type bans?

Will the SCOTUS actually take up a paradigm changer that lets easy shall access by the law of the land, breaking the restrictions in NY for instance, or wiping out the CO, NY Safe Act, CT,etc. laws?

I wouldn't bet on it.

Wreck-n-Crew · November 29, 2013, 05:39 PM

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I wouldn't want to see Stossel with a gun myself. If his shooting was as far off as his reporting, no one would be safe.

I fail to se where your view of his reporting etiquette lends to idea his physical aim would be dangerous to bystanders.

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He just doesn't have [enough] friends in high [enough] places.

The NY version of Chicago Politics...

Dan F · November 29, 2013, 06:44 PM

When Woollard went down I lost what little hope I had that the scope of 2A would be expanded beyond the home by SCOTUS any time soon, if ever.

November 23, 2013, 11:29 AM	#1
press1280 Senior Member Join Date: May 17, 2012 Posts: 228	John Stossel denied CCW in NYC He didn't have a "special need"-threats as well as a "Kill John Stossel" website weren't enough. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dma05WFax0 Last edited by press1280; November 23, 2013 at 12:10 PM. Reason: Wrong link

November 23, 2013, 12:59 PM	#9
Glenn E. Meyer Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 20,061	I feel much safer now if I visit NYC. I was worried about him wandering the street. So much for the SCOTUS decisions turning antigun places into gun heaven. I guess Wily Old Bird Scalia missed the boat. __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens

November 26, 2013, 11:25 PM	#19
Mr. James Senior Member Join Date: April 10, 2001 Location: The Old Dominion Posts: 1,521	Mr. Servo, Sorry for this late reply, but I agree. There have been times when moving was simply not on the table. Some friends and I have discussed abandoning the Old Dominion(!), especially after the election of a clean slate of . . . well, never mind. And we have very good gun laws. Some of us figured we'd stay and fight. God bless you guys in New York, Massachusetts, Maryland, Illinois, California, etc. for keeping up the good fight. The Stossel story is absurd. He has death threats. Give him his "permit." __________________ "...A humble and contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise." Ps. li "When law and morality contradict each other, the citizen has the cruel alternative of either losing his moral sense or losing his respect for the law." —Frederic Bastiat

November 29, 2013, 01:31 PM	#20
ClydeFrog Junior member Join Date: May 1, 2010 Posts: 5,797	Emily Miller; The Washington Times.... I recall journalist Emily Miller of the DC area; Washington Times documenting her process to get a new valid CCW permit for the District of Columbia. A few of her blog posts were interesting. Clyde

November 29, 2013, 02:12 PM	#22
Glenn E. Meyer Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 20,061	I think the Stossel story is another indication that the recent SCOTUS decisions weren't paradigm changers in actual practice. Wily Old Bird Scalia seems to be something of a old turkey when you look at the new laws after Sandy Hook and implementation of decisions such as Posner's in IL. Has it been an easy road? Have many progun decisions (IL was one) be generated to lead to easy access and elimination of weapons type bans? Will the SCOTUS actually take up a paradigm changer that lets easy shall access by the law of the land, breaking the restrictions in NY for instance, or wiping out the CO, NY Safe Act, CT,etc. laws? I wouldn't bet on it. __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens

November 23, 2013, 11:33 AM	#2
Aguila Blanca Staff Join Date: September 25, 2008 Location: CONUS Posts: 19,051	He just doesn't have [enough] friends in high [enough] places.

November 23, 2013, 11:50 AM	#3
press1280 Senior Member Join Date: May 17, 2012 Posts: 228	It would be nice if Stossel files a 2A lawsuit (I doubt he would). I would think he could theoretically fly through the lower Federal Courts since Kachalsky is the law of the 2nd circuit. The district and 2nd circuits wouldn't need much time to throw opinions together. Then he could petition SCOTUS for review, and I believe his "need" is much better than Kachalsky's and his position as a nationally known reporter would indeed push the issue to larger proportions than it is now, and make this harder for SCOTUS to deny cert.

November 23, 2013, 11:50 AM	#4
glh17 Senior Member Join Date: May 17, 2013 Location: Middle TN Posts: 165	Ridiculous process but I didn't hear where he was denied CCW in the video. Did I miss something? If he was denied, it seems to me that it would be a good case to challenge the NYC law.

November 23, 2013, 12:05 PM	#5
press1280 Senior Member Join Date: May 17, 2012 Posts: 228	He said he wanted a carry permit several times. The NYC PD told him he could get a license to have it in his home. Edit: That video was an abbreviated version. I will put the full version in the OP.

November 23, 2013, 12:17 PM	#6
glh17 Senior Member Join Date: May 17, 2013 Location: Middle TN Posts: 165	Press, I'll take your word for it about the denial. No need to mess with other video on my account. It would seem to be a very good case to challenge the NYC law.

November 23, 2013, 12:31 PM	#7
press1280 Senior Member Join Date: May 17, 2012 Posts: 228	Already done-it's much better explained on this video. Any way to push NRA or SAF to take up a new lawsuit with Stossel as lead plaintiff?

November 23, 2013, 12:54 PM	#8
g.willikers Senior Member Join Date: September 28, 2008 Posts: 10,442	Boy, that sounds like a natural combination for a successful legal reply to NY laws. All it takes is money. Lots and lots of money. If the SAF would pursue this one, I would donate, fur sure.

November 23, 2013, 06:53 PM	#10
heyjoe Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2007 Posts: 448	those of us in ny would tend to agree with you Glenn Meyer

November 24, 2013, 04:59 PM	#11
BigD_in_FL Junior member Join Date: December 20, 2012 Location: The "Gunshine State" Posts: 1,981	Those of you still IN NYC that agree should have moved out by now

November 25, 2013, 02:02 AM	#12
Buzzcook Senior Member Join Date: November 29, 2007 Location: Everett, WA Posts: 6,126	I wouldn't want to see Stossel with a gun myself. If his shooting was as far off as his reporting, no one would be safe.

November 25, 2013, 02:20 AM	#13
maestro pistolero Senior Member Join Date: August 17, 2007 Posts: 2,153	Stossel has been a friend to the second amendment on more than a couple occasions.

November 25, 2013, 02:50 PM	#18
JERRYS. Senior Member Join Date: September 23, 2013 Location: Georgia Posts: 2,985	his life isn't important enough until he golfs with a district judge.

November 29, 2013, 01:35 PM	#21
JERRYS. Senior Member Join Date: September 23, 2013 Location: Georgia Posts: 2,985	wash dc doesn't have ccw permits, they have some sort of special license just to own a gun, but none at all to carry one.

November 29, 2013, 06:44 PM	#24
Dan F Member Join Date: July 13, 2011 Location: MD gah Posts: 57	When Woollard went down I lost what little hope I had that the scope of 2A would be expanded beyond the home by SCOTUS any time soon, if ever.