Precision rifle newby question,

fire4606 · July 14, 2013, 07:42 PM

Looking at this rifle...

Details

Law Enforcement Series Model 10FCP-K – with AccuTrigger™, AccuStock™, and Detachable Box Magazine

Action Short
Caliber 308 Win
Overall Length 46.5"
Barrel Length 24"
Weight 8.9 lbs
Magazine Capacity 4 rounds
Stock Black synthetic AccuStock ™ with aluminum spine and three-dimensional bedding cradle
Sights Drilled and tapped for scope mounts
Rifling Rate of Twist 308 Win (1 in 10")
Features AccuTrigger™, AccuStock™, matte blued barrel action, Savage muzzle brake, fluted heavy free-floating button-rifled barrel, detachable box magazine swivel stud for bipod, oversized bolt handle with beavertail foreend
Summary

* UPC Code: 0011356186089
* Manufacturer: Savage
* Model: 10FCPK
* Action: Bolt
* Caliber: 308 Win
* Barrel Length: 24"
* Finish/Color: Blue
* Grips/Stock: AccuStock
* Hand: Right Hand
* Includes muzzle brake
* Type of Barrel: Heavy Barrel Fluted
* Capacity: 4Rd
* Includes Accutrigger, Detachable Box Magazine
* Manufacturer Part #: 18608

I'm not going to do any real competitions or anything but I've always wanted a quasi sniper rifle, AND have never owned a .308. Something where I could actually hit man sized targets out to 500 yds or so.

Rifle history includes, 30-06, 270, 257 Roberts, 223, 7mm rem mag...all hunting rifles I used to use when I was out west, reloaded my own ammo and could easily get any of these rifles to shoot moa or a little better.

So now I'm looking at this, would go with a mod to hi range scope, variable for my old eyes, max power in the 18 to 24 range, likely Leupold.

This rifle is running in the $750 range and I believe would fit what I'm looking for, am I missing something or would there be a better option, considered Remington's but couldn't seem to find one with the options like this one has.

Figured I would ck here and see if I'm missing any thing

steveNChunter · July 14, 2013, 08:01 PM

If you are just shooting targets out to 500 yards I'd go with a 6.5 creedmoor or even a .223 before a .308, but thats just personal preference. Also I'm not a huge fan of the detachable mag on a bolt action. Other than that looks like a good setup.
How about the 11 long range hunter in 6.5 creedmoor?

http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/m...ONGRANGEHUNTER

fire4606 · July 14, 2013, 08:24 PM

The only absolute is 308.

PawPaw · July 14, 2013, 08:54 PM

My son has the precursor to that rifle. I gave it to him as a graduation present when he finished college. His is the FLP, which is the left-hand police version that they built before the Accustock.

His rifle hovers around a half-minute with good ammo. He's fired some amazing 10 shot groups with it. In these latitudes, we're only able to stretch it out to 300 yards, but so far, it satisfies. He'll admit that it's probably not a long-range rifle in its current setup, but is one heck of a 600 yard rifle.

Second son has a Savage FV that is no longer cataloged in 7mm Rem Mag. It's basically the same heavy barreled rifle, just in a long action. His rifle is scary accurate with good handloads. I've seen him shoot 5-shot groups well under 1/2 MOA. Just an altogether wonderful setup, with a great trigger and a good kid behind the trigger.

I don't think you'll go wrong with that Savage. If it fits your needs, have fun with it.

tahunua001 · July 14, 2013, 08:58 PM

I see no reason why any of your existing rifles are unable to fulfill the role already, especialy the 7mm.

these rifles really are not sniper rifles in any sense of the word. they are just an all black version of existing models with maybe a couple goodies here and there but are essentially no differences between most so called swat, sniper and Law enforcement rifles and the hunting versions.

4runnerman · July 14, 2013, 09:11 PM

^^^^^^^^^-What he said. The 7MM would be a great one for the job. While I love Savage ( all 9 of them). As far as I know there is no so called Sniper Rifle. The Sniper is the shooter. The savage you mention is a very accurate rifle to say the least. 500 yards is do-able with most rifles other than a 22LR. The 308 is a good 1000 yard rifle. As was told to me by a very good shooter. The 308 is good at everything,but great at nothing. It is just a all around caliber. If you want to get a rifle ,just for this purpose,as some one said 6.5 or a 6br maybe

fire4606 · July 14, 2013, 09:24 PM

I no longer have any of those rifles. A few ARs and some 22s now.

I want the 308 to have a hi power again, for target shooting and nothing more, or the fantasy SHTF scenarios, so since I've never had a 308 in the past I want to try one.

My preference is a rifle in that price range, in 308/7.62, that can be very accurate out to 500 yds. I will probably start reloading again and will build loads for it. Like what I have read about the savages trigger, would maybe like a slightly shorter barrel but otherwise this rifle seems to be what I think I want.

Is a 20" barrel still capable of excellent accuracy moa or sub moa out to 500?

I did allot of hunting and shooting out to 300 yds in the past but have never shot past that and want to for nothing more really than recreation.

fire4606 · July 14, 2013, 09:29 PM

Years ago I had damn near every popular caliber out there, now I have numerous weapons but I've narrowed my caliber selections to ONLY 22, 223/5.56, 9mm, and 45acp, with the last addition being the 308.

Part of the thought process in my head which is why I'm wanting the 308 and have everything NATO.

steveNChunter · July 14, 2013, 10:13 PM

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Is a 20" barrel still capable of excellent accuracy moa or sub moa out to 500?

It should be every bit as accurate, you really shouldnt even lose much velocity in a .308 as that cartridge is designed for shorter barreled rifles. The slight velocity loss should be the only difference which will cause the bullet to drop slightly faster, but not much.

allaroundhunter · July 14, 2013, 11:03 PM

The only thing that I would recommend is to not go with the Leupold. When you get into higher end glass (over $1000), Leupold just doesn't have the features that others do.

If you want the scope to cost around $1000, the go with a Vortex PST FFP. If you're willing to go closer to $1500 then my choice would be Nightforce's NXS line.

Metal god · July 15, 2013, 06:39 AM

I got no issues with my FCP-K

I do have issue with my pictures some how changing sizes in the thread all by them selves
http://thefiringline.com/forums/show...age+fcp+review

smoakingun · July 16, 2013, 09:51 PM

your .223 is fine to 500, just sayin'

If you must have a .308, the savage is fine. For distance work i prefer a fixed power scope. Zeiss or schmidt bender make phenomenal glass.

arizona98tj · July 17, 2013, 12:51 AM

OP, I have your Savage 10 FCP, without the brake, in a factory HS-Precision stock. I topped it off with a Vortex Viper PST 4-16x50 FFP. It's a shooter, no doubt about it. I've been very satisfied with it and if you get yours, I can't imagine you not enjoying it too.

Good luck on whatever you decide.

fire4606 · July 17, 2013, 06:25 PM

Appreciate the replies, been looking at the vortex scopes the last couple days....

wnycollector · July 20, 2013, 12:56 PM

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I have your Savage 10 FCP, without the brake, in a factory HS-Precision stock. I topped it off with a Vortex Viper PST 4-16x50 FFP. It's a shooter, no doubt about it. I've been very satisfied with it and if you get yours, I can't imagine you not enjoying it too.

I have the exact same rifle but it's topped with a 6.5-20x50 Vortex Viper. I agree, that rifle can shoot

Rimfire5 · July 20, 2013, 04:58 PM

I have a new 10 FCP-K in .308 and its predecessor the 10 FP that has the AccuTrigger but not the AccuStock or the muzzle brake.

I would recommend the 10 FCP-K if you want a law enforcement rifle that looks mean and shoots great. My old FP shot so great that there are now 6 Savage 10 FCP-Ks at our range. My son has two of them, one in .308 and one in .223.
All of them are good shooters with factory ammo but they really shine with hand loads that are matched to their individual chambers.

I put 6000 rounds through the FP and it is going back to Savage for a barrel refit.
It was a very good shooter averaging 0.430 for its top 25 loads at 100 yards (for 176 measured groups).

My new 10 FCP-K rifle has only been around for about two months and I am still experimenting with hand loads. I had it at the range today and I shot 8 groups at 100 yards that averaged 0.445. It was in the high 80s to low 90s so I could only shoot 3 rounds before the barrel heated up and I had to let it cool down. It took forever to shoot 8 groups and I probably got impatient a few times and let a great group slip away by shooting the last round with a hot barrel.

So far the 10 FCP-K seems to be out shooting the old 10 FP by a slight margin. Probably, it is the AccuStock on the new rifle.

Bart B. · July 21, 2013, 09:20 AM

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It was in the high 80s to low 90s so I could only shoot 3 rounds before the barrel heated up and I had to let it cool down. It took forever to shoot 8 groups and I probably got impatient a few times and let a great group slip away by shooting the last round with a hot barrel.

It's too bad Savage doesn't fix that problem so common with factory rifles' walking shots on target as the barrel heats up.

It's caused by either poor metal quality or stress relieving in the barrel or the barrel's not fit correctly to the receiver; the receiver face ain't squared up with the barrel tenon thread and chamber axis.

Rifles assembled with good barrels fit to the receiver properly will hold zero for dozens of shots fired 30 seconds apart as the barrel temperature goes from ambient to way too hot to touch.

Metal god · July 21, 2013, 01:51 PM

yeah I was a little surprised his rifle was walking as much as it appears his was . Mine does not and I take the temp of my barrel when shooting and mine never got over 100 degrees and most of the time it was under 90 ( suffice temp ). I never shot more then 4 shots in a row though cus thats the mag cap . I would then let it cool down . I will keep an eye on this with mine and next time I go out I'll shoot a ten shot group and see what happens .

Nemsis · July 23, 2013, 06:14 PM

It's very hard to beat Savage when it comes to bang for the buck.

As far as the rifle the only thing I would recommend is getting the HS precision stock instead of the accustock

As for glass I also don't think Leopold is worth the money

There are plenty of good scopes in the $1000-$1500 price range

SWFA SS HD
Vortex Viper PST
Bushnell Elite tactical

Metal god · July 23, 2013, 06:38 PM

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As far as the rifle the only thing I would recommend is getting the HS precision stock instead of the accustock

I assume the reason you recommend a new stock is for ergonomics ?

I've been or was looking at getting a new stock . I can't find any stock that I think would be better . At least for the money . The accu-stock has one of the best bedding systems out there so spending no money and having a stock that works very well seems right up my ally . The only thing I don't like is I have to rest my thumb along side the stock rather then grip it .

What the accu-stock is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N49uIIRnA3w

accu-stock in action
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYZJnUyrEQk

Nemsis · July 23, 2013, 07:14 PM

I'm sure the bedding is fine but it still feels and looks like a cheap plastic stock.

Before you ask yes I have shot it and for the slight price increase I'll take the HS precision on my rifle vs my buddies accustock

Metal god · July 23, 2013, 07:50 PM

yep thats cool , I can't justify the extra cost right now . I filled the butt stock with bondo and BBs . Added 3lbs by doing that and the stock feels much more solid and balanced now . My rifle weighs about 13lbs now and shoots like a dream . I have the 308 FCP-K and with the added weight and muzzle brake it's like shooting a 223

Nemsis · July 23, 2013, 08:44 PM

That's a good idea but for $200 I would still get the HS precision

allaroundhunter · July 23, 2013, 09:26 PM

Metal God, what kind of muzzle brake are you using?

Metal god · July 23, 2013, 10:06 PM

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what kind of muzzle brake are you using?

Savage vactory installed

July 14, 2013, 07:42 PM	#1
fire4606 Senior Member Join Date: May 6, 2011 Posts: 216	Precision rifle newby question, Looking at this rifle... Details Law Enforcement Series Model 10FCP-K – with AccuTrigger™, AccuStock™, and Detachable Box Magazine Action Short Caliber 308 Win Overall Length 46.5" Barrel Length 24" Weight 8.9 lbs Magazine Capacity 4 rounds Stock Black synthetic AccuStock ™ with aluminum spine and three-dimensional bedding cradle Sights Drilled and tapped for scope mounts Rifling Rate of Twist 308 Win (1 in 10") Features AccuTrigger™, AccuStock™, matte blued barrel action, Savage muzzle brake, fluted heavy free-floating button-rifled barrel, detachable box magazine swivel stud for bipod, oversized bolt handle with beavertail foreend Summary * UPC Code: 0011356186089 * Manufacturer: Savage * Model: 10FCPK * Action: Bolt * Caliber: 308 Win * Barrel Length: 24" * Finish/Color: Blue * Grips/Stock: AccuStock * Hand: Right Hand * Includes muzzle brake * Type of Barrel: Heavy Barrel Fluted * Capacity: 4Rd * Includes Accutrigger, Detachable Box Magazine * Manufacturer Part #: 18608 I'm not going to do any real competitions or anything but I've always wanted a quasi sniper rifle, AND have never owned a .308. Something where I could actually hit man sized targets out to 500 yds or so. Rifle history includes, 30-06, 270, 257 Roberts, 223, 7mm rem mag...all hunting rifles I used to use when I was out west, reloaded my own ammo and could easily get any of these rifles to shoot moa or a little better. So now I'm looking at this, would go with a mod to hi range scope, variable for my old eyes, max power in the 18 to 24 range, likely Leupold. This rifle is running in the $750 range and I believe would fit what I'm looking for, am I missing something or would there be a better option, considered Remington's but couldn't seem to find one with the options like this one has. Figured I would ck here and see if I'm missing any thing

July 14, 2013, 08:58 PM	#5
tahunua001 Senior Member Join Date: July 21, 2011 Location: Idaho Posts: 7,839	I see no reason why any of your existing rifles are unable to fulfill the role already, especialy the 7mm. these rifles really are not sniper rifles in any sense of the word. they are just an all black version of existing models with maybe a couple goodies here and there but are essentially no differences between most so called swat, sniper and Law enforcement rifles and the hunting versions. __________________ ignore my complete lack of capitalization. I still have no problem correcting your grammar. I never said half the stuff people said I did-Albert Einstein You can't believe everything you read on the internet-Benjamin Franklin

July 14, 2013, 11:03 PM	#10
allaroundhunter Senior Member Join Date: May 6, 2012 Location: Southeast Texas Posts: 1,670	Re: Precision rifle newby question, The only thing that I would recommend is to not go with the Leupold. When you get into higher end glass (over $1000), Leupold just doesn't have the features that others do. If you want the scope to cost around $1000, the go with a Vortex PST FFP. If you're willing to go closer to $1500 then my choice would be Nightforce's NXS line.

July 23, 2013, 06:14 PM	#19
Nemsis Senior Member Join Date: December 27, 2006 Location: Peoples Republic of Chicago Posts: 408	It's very hard to beat Savage when it comes to bang for the buck. As far as the rifle the only thing I would recommend is getting the HS precision stock instead of the accustock As for glass I also don't think Leopold is worth the money There are plenty of good scopes in the $1000-$1500 price range SWFA SS HD Vortex Viper PST Bushnell Elite tactical __________________ "The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." --Norman Thomas

July 23, 2013, 07:14 PM	#21
Nemsis Senior Member Join Date: December 27, 2006 Location: Peoples Republic of Chicago Posts: 408	I'm sure the bedding is fine but it still feels and looks like a cheap plastic stock. Before you ask yes I have shot it and for the slight price increase I'll take the HS precision on my rifle vs my buddies accustock __________________ "The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." --Norman Thomas

July 14, 2013, 08:01 PM	#2
steveNChunter Senior Member Join Date: December 14, 2012 Location: Southern Appalachian Mtns Posts: 1,520	If you are just shooting targets out to 500 yards I'd go with a 6.5 creedmoor or even a .223 before a .308, but thats just personal preference. Also I'm not a huge fan of the detachable mag on a bolt action. Other than that looks like a good setup. How about the 11 long range hunter in 6.5 creedmoor? http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/m...ONGRANGEHUNTER

July 14, 2013, 08:24 PM	#3
fire4606 Senior Member Join Date: May 6, 2011 Posts: 216	The only absolute is 308.

July 14, 2013, 08:54 PM	#4
PawPaw Senior Member Join Date: December 24, 2010 Location: Central Louisiana Posts: 3,137	My son has the precursor to that rifle. I gave it to him as a graduation present when he finished college. His is the FLP, which is the left-hand police version that they built before the Accustock. His rifle hovers around a half-minute with good ammo. He's fired some amazing 10 shot groups with it. In these latitudes, we're only able to stretch it out to 300 yards, but so far, it satisfies. He'll admit that it's probably not a long-range rifle in its current setup, but is one heck of a 600 yard rifle. Second son has a Savage FV that is no longer cataloged in 7mm Rem Mag. It's basically the same heavy barreled rifle, just in a long action. His rifle is scary accurate with good handloads. I've seen him shoot 5-shot groups well under 1/2 MOA. Just an altogether wonderful setup, with a great trigger and a good kid behind the trigger. I don't think you'll go wrong with that Savage. If it fits your needs, have fun with it.

July 14, 2013, 09:11 PM	#6
4runnerman Senior Member Join Date: January 16, 2010 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,577	^^^^^^^^^-What he said. The 7MM would be a great one for the job. While I love Savage ( all 9 of them). As far as I know there is no so called Sniper Rifle. The Sniper is the shooter. The savage you mention is a very accurate rifle to say the least. 500 yards is do-able with most rifles other than a 22LR. The 308 is a good 1000 yard rifle. As was told to me by a very good shooter. The 308 is good at everything,but great at nothing. It is just a all around caliber. If you want to get a rifle ,just for this purpose,as some one said 6.5 or a 6br maybe

July 14, 2013, 09:24 PM	#7
fire4606 Senior Member Join Date: May 6, 2011 Posts: 216	I no longer have any of those rifles. A few ARs and some 22s now. I want the 308 to have a hi power again, for target shooting and nothing more, or the fantasy SHTF scenarios, so since I've never had a 308 in the past I want to try one. My preference is a rifle in that price range, in 308/7.62, that can be very accurate out to 500 yds. I will probably start reloading again and will build loads for it. Like what I have read about the savages trigger, would maybe like a slightly shorter barrel but otherwise this rifle seems to be what I think I want. Is a 20" barrel still capable of excellent accuracy moa or sub moa out to 500? I did allot of hunting and shooting out to 300 yds in the past but have never shot past that and want to for nothing more really than recreation.

July 14, 2013, 09:29 PM	#8
fire4606 Senior Member Join Date: May 6, 2011 Posts: 216	Years ago I had damn near every popular caliber out there, now I have numerous weapons but I've narrowed my caliber selections to ONLY 22, 223/5.56, 9mm, and 45acp, with the last addition being the 308. Part of the thought process in my head which is why I'm wanting the 308 and have everything NATO.

July 15, 2013, 06:39 AM	#11
Metal god Senior Member Join Date: April 10, 2012 Location: San Diego CA Posts: 7,135	I got no issues with my FCP-K I do have issue with my pictures some how changing sizes in the thread all by them selves http://thefiringline.com/forums/show...age+fcp+review

July 16, 2013, 09:51 PM	#12
smoakingun Senior Member Join Date: April 12, 2009 Location: melrose, fl Posts: 634	your .223 is fine to 500, just sayin' If you must have a .308, the savage is fine. For distance work i prefer a fixed power scope. Zeiss or schmidt bender make phenomenal glass.

July 17, 2013, 12:51 AM	#13
arizona98tj Senior Member Join Date: December 10, 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 980	OP, I have your Savage 10 FCP, without the brake, in a factory HS-Precision stock. I topped it off with a Vortex Viper PST 4-16x50 FFP. It's a shooter, no doubt about it. I've been very satisfied with it and if you get yours, I can't imagine you not enjoying it too. Good luck on whatever you decide.

July 17, 2013, 06:25 PM	#14
fire4606 Senior Member Join Date: May 6, 2011 Posts: 216	Appreciate the replies, been looking at the vortex scopes the last couple days....

July 20, 2013, 04:58 PM	#16
Rimfire5 Senior Member Join Date: January 2, 2009 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 982	I have a new 10 FCP-K in .308 and its predecessor the 10 FP that has the AccuTrigger but not the AccuStock or the muzzle brake. I would recommend the 10 FCP-K if you want a law enforcement rifle that looks mean and shoots great. My old FP shot so great that there are now 6 Savage 10 FCP-Ks at our range. My son has two of them, one in .308 and one in .223. All of them are good shooters with factory ammo but they really shine with hand loads that are matched to their individual chambers. I put 6000 rounds through the FP and it is going back to Savage for a barrel refit. It was a very good shooter averaging 0.430 for its top 25 loads at 100 yards (for 176 measured groups). My new 10 FCP-K rifle has only been around for about two months and I am still experimenting with hand loads. I had it at the range today and I shot 8 groups at 100 yards that averaged 0.445. It was in the high 80s to low 90s so I could only shoot 3 rounds before the barrel heated up and I had to let it cool down. It took forever to shoot 8 groups and I probably got impatient a few times and let a great group slip away by shooting the last round with a hot barrel. So far the 10 FCP-K seems to be out shooting the old 10 FP by a slight margin. Probably, it is the AccuStock on the new rifle.

July 21, 2013, 01:51 PM	#18
Metal god Senior Member Join Date: April 10, 2012 Location: San Diego CA Posts: 7,135	yeah I was a little surprised his rifle was walking as much as it appears his was . Mine does not and I take the temp of my barrel when shooting and mine never got over 100 degrees and most of the time it was under 90 ( suffice temp ). I never shot more then 4 shots in a row though cus thats the mag cap . I would then let it cool down . I will keep an eye on this with mine and next time I go out I'll shoot a ten shot group and see what happens .

July 23, 2013, 07:50 PM	#22
Metal god Senior Member Join Date: April 10, 2012 Location: San Diego CA Posts: 7,135	yep thats cool , I can't justify the extra cost right now . I filled the butt stock with bondo and BBs . Added 3lbs by doing that and the stock feels much more solid and balanced now . My rifle weighs about 13lbs now and shoots like a dream . I have the 308 FCP-K and with the added weight and muzzle brake it's like shooting a 223

July 23, 2013, 08:44 PM	#23
Nemsis Senior Member Join Date: December 27, 2006 Location: Peoples Republic of Chicago Posts: 408	That's a good idea but for $200 I would still get the HS precision __________________ "The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." --Norman Thomas

July 23, 2013, 09:26 PM	#24
allaroundhunter Senior Member Join Date: May 6, 2012 Location: Southeast Texas Posts: 1,670	Precision rifle newby question, Metal God, what kind of muzzle brake are you using?