striker-fired semi with decocker?

[simonrichter]

Overall, I like the simplicity of my Glock.

Yet, when it comes to having the pistol ready in the nightstand drawer over a longer period of time, I have to keep it half-loaded because I don't like the idea of having it completely ready to go boom when I might need to grab it from some awkward angle, maybe even being sleepy still.

I'm pretty sure many folks here in this forum could name me some possible alternatives where I'd have the same functionality, but the extra option to (visibly and palpably, at best) de-cock and re-cock the gun with an external lever in case I want long-term readiness instead of shooting instantly after loading.

[AndyWest]

Are you fixed on a poly/striker gun? A SIG P226 is my nightstand gun for the reasons you describe. No manual safety but the double/single action gives peace of mind plus simple operation. I picked mine up in 40 as a "home defense" package with the night sights and a light/laser mounted.

But if you want to stick with your Glock, maybe a holster even tho it's in the nightstand? A gun you're familiar with, doesn't need racking in the event of an emergency, but the trigger's still covered.

[UncleEd]

Simon, basically you've mentioned several reasons why you don't like your Glock.

Maybe it is time for a Sig or an H&K or a Beretta with decocker and double action capability.

Also, the Smith M&P can be had with a thumb safety although essentially it's in the Glock family of operation.

[kahrguy]

Put a NY trigger group in your glock. That heavier trigger should stop your fears of screwe'n up half asleep or add a safety to your glock.
http://cominolli.com/product_info.php?products_id=29

Or buy a M&P with a safety.

Or do you feel half awake you will trip both a safety and a trigger.

Or third git over the stricker and decocker lever and buy sig with a god awfull heavy DA/SA trigger that defies a good trigger pull.

Maybe a pump 20ga shot gun for home defence. Buy the time you wake up and rack the shotgun the BG will be gone. then and call 911.

[Kevin_d77]

The Walther P99 I fondled the other day was a striker with a push button, slide mounted safety. It was the weirdest thing I have seen but pretty cool.

[g.willikers]

Carry an auto loader, but sleep with a revolver?

[simonrichter]

Thank y'all, actually I'd take a closer look at the M&P

Carry an auto loader, but sleep with a revolver?

that would be the solution wasn't that it I live in a state where the number of firearms you are allowed to possess is restricted (I'm afraid that's going to swash over the pond, sooner or later. The "more control, more restrictions, less personal freedom" approach seems to be quite contagious)

[Walt Sherrill]

Just because the striker spring, in some guns (ala Glock and others) is partially compressed, that doesn't mean that it's any EASIER to fire it accidentally than one that isn't partially compressed... The overall trigger pull weight of many of striker fired guns seems quite similar, whether the striker spring is or isn't compressed.

If a partially "cocked" striker spring is a continuing concern, you might look at the NY trigger for the Glock -- heavier and more like a revolver (or so some claim). I think the striker works the same, but you have a much heavier trigger spring to overcome.

Or, just keep your finger out of the trigger guard until you're fully alert. That's easier than it sounds, even in a semi-alert state.

[simonrichter]

Yeah well it seems I will have to live with my Glock for a while, since any other brand is much more pricy here; plus there is hardly any used market stuff other than Glock.

I'm well aware that the spring is only half-cocked with Glocks and made brought to the critical point only by pulling the trigger.

So yes, maybe what I'm looking for is just a safety that disconnects the trigger and not one that completely decocks the like in a SA/DA gun. With a decocked SA/DA, you can still shoot by pulling the trigger, only with a longer, harder pull (in case the de-cocker is not combined with another safety feature).

In other words: My ideal gun would have to states as soon as a round is chambered:
1.) Glock-like ready to fire,
2.) one click with the safety > trigger is either disconnected or pin is decocked in a way that a trigger pull can't cock and fire it > one click with safety back to state 1.)

[kahrguy]

How about a handgun safe or a level 3 holster keeping your hands. Ether one will make you wake up and pay attention to what your doing. But it all boils down to good handgun skills . No finger on the trigger no BANG. Add a leo trigger to it and the bang is harder to get. From a stock 5lb or 5.5lbs to 8 or 10lb trigger pull.

[Strafer Gott]

Steyr makes a Glock-like pistol with a safety in the trigger guard. They aren't common, but they exist.

[Wreck-n-Crew]

Makes more since to me to just not have one in the chamber. Takes about the same time to rack a round as to fumble for a de-cocker.

Also it would seem that a de-cocker on a striker fired pistol would be much less feasible than a safety from a design standpoint.

[TunnelRat]

Also it would seem that a de-cocker on a striker fired pistol would be much less feasible than a safety from a design standpoint.

And yet the Walther P99 has been in existence for over a decade.

P99 is a great gun, check it out if you get the chance.

[Microgunner]

The Walther P99 is also available on the used market as a S&W SW99.

It sounds like the fix to the OP's problem.

[PSP]

The HK P7 is another solution. It isn't cocked until you cock it. Uncocks when you set it down. Kind of idiot proof in that regard.

My P99c QA decocked, but that function is mainly for disassembly. It rrquires a "press check" type retraction of the slide to recock the striker.

[Jim Watson]

Walther P99AS is the gun you describe.

There is a device for Glocks, the Safe T Blok
It is a plug that fits behind the trigger, positively blocking its stroke.
Pick the gun up, punch the block out with the tip of your trigger finger and you are ready to shoot.
http://www.clipdraw.com/store/index....on=show_detail

I used to have one, it worked as described; IF you feel you need a manual safety on a Glock.

[Venom1956]

Adding a decocker to a striker gun wouldn't do the thing you describe the purpose of a decocker is to move a gun from SA to a heavier DA pull. The gun can and will totally function if the trigger is depressed. If you want a lever to make it unable to fire that would be a safety.

If you wanted to decock the striker on one of the safe action 90% SA like glock kahr, (XD or m&p?) the only way to recock it would be to work the slide. which seems kinda pointless if there is a round in there.

Think Jim is right about the AS

[Theohazard]

Venom1956 posted:
If you wanted to decock the striker on one of the safe action 90% SA like glock kahr, (XD or m&p?) the only way to recock it would be to work the slide. which seems kinda pointless if there is a round in there.

This is exactly what I was thinking. I think the OP needs a DA/SA gun instead of a striker-fired gun. Like others have said, aside from the P99AS, almost all striker fired guns won't fire at all when decocked and the only way to cock them is rack the slide.

[Wreck-n-Crew]

Adding a decocker to a striker gun wouldn't do the thing you describe the purpose of a decocker is to move a gun from SA to a heavier DA pull.

There are more than one type of de-cocker. Some do as you described and some de-cock and go into safety.

Also the Glock is a SA Striker fire and by design is better suited to add a safety. Much easier and safer to design and implement and to me should be an alternative to the SD trigger.

I would offer it as an option if I were the Manufacturer.

The SD trigger was designed to mimic DA mode (with a little lighter trigger pull than DA but fire in a SA gun.

The biggest problem with the SD trigger is it's effect on accuracy and not so much on safety unless you install a trigger kit to reduce pull weight. Also the SD would be less harmful to accuracy had it not been installed on the lighter polymer frame.

Just seems backwards to me from an accuracy vs. "ready to go" design standpoint.

[Theohazard]

Jim Watson posted:
There is a device for Glocks, the Safe T Blok
It is a plug that fits behind the trigger, positively blocking its stroke.
Pick the gun up, punch the block out with the tip of your trigger finger and you are ready to shoot.

I've seen these advertised before and they seem like a terrible idea to me. I would think that the extra step of popping the block out from behind the trigger would be easy to mess up, especially if you were under fight-or-flight stress and then drawing from concealment and immediately firing.

So the only way to minimize the chance of fumbling with the block in a life-threatening moment is to always carry the gun with the block installed and then make sure you constantly practice it with every draw, but that brings me to another issue: You're drawing and then immediately putting your finger in the trigger guard. Sure, your finger is going behind the trigger, but how hard would it to mess that up?

I'll admit I haven't tried it, but it seems to me that the Safe T Block could easily cause you to forget to disarm it under stress and therefore have a non-functioning firearm, or it could cause a negligent discharge because you put your finger in the trigger guard prematurely. It seems to me that if you feel the need for a product like that, you should be carrying a gun with a manual safety.

[Theohazard]

I think the easy solution to the OP's problem is a bedside holster of some kind. That way he'll be grabbing the gun from a known position and as long as he keeps his finger where it's supposed to be there's no chance of an accident.

[Jim Watson]

I'll admit I haven't tried it, but it seems to me that the Safe T Block could easily cause you to forget to disarm it under stress and therefore have a non-functioning firearm, or it could cause a negligent discharge because you put your finger in the trigger guard prematurely. It seems to me that if you feel the need for a product like that, you should be carrying a gun with a manual safety

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I have tried it, and while I did not feel a need for it in MY use, it did work as claimed.

""Forget" to disarm it?"
"Finger in the trigger guard prematurely?"
You don't need any help from SafTBlok to screw up in those ways.
Many people do not trust themselves not to forget to disengage a built in manual safety.
The block appeared to me to discourage premature fingering of the trigger, not promote it.

It had two drawbacks that might or might not bother the OP.
Every time you punch it out, you are going to have to look for it and pick it up to get back to the starting point of readiness. It might be worthwhile to have two.
It requires you to perform what some find an unnatural act... practice.

It has two advantages to the OP.
It is cheap.
It does not require him to go through the licensing process for a new gun.

Me? I am like Andy, I have a P226.

[Venom1956]

There are more than one type of de-cocker. Some do as you described and some de-cock and go into safety

A decocker is a decocker. A decocker/safety is just that. They are not the same.

[Wreck-n-Crew]

I dont think you understand what I wrote

I did . I was just adding to your description of a de-cocker with another type of de-cocker. I wasn't ripping your analogy apart.

A decocker is a decocker. A decocker/safety is just that. They are not the same.

I also never said they were the same. Simply put the safety de-cocker combines two actions, de-cocks and engages the safety. But the action of the De-cocking is the same as well as the end result of the De-cocking function.

Where did I say they were the same?

[USMCGrunt]

The Taurus 24/7 OSS is a striker fired pistol that has a decocking striker. The safety can be used like a 1911 or not like a Glock. When the striker is cocked, you also can press the safety lever up past the safe position and it will decock the striker leaving you with a more traditional DA/SA style trigger.