Protective Clothing

Big Shrek · September 30, 2011, 10:03 PM

Expensive, but in some cases...worth it...
http://www.miguelcaballerousa.com/

He's made a fortune making protective high-style clothing in Columbia...
a smart and well-off person would definitely want to get proper attire from him.

Would you rather pay for an extra health insurance violent crime rider, or buy nice clothing?

Beats the heck out of Armani

sigcurious · September 30, 2011, 10:37 PM

The only concern I would have is they seem to have an odd understanding of the differences in threat level(I suspect the marketing dept flubbed the website). Last time I checked an mp5 is not a "high powered assault rifle", as it chambered in handgun rounds. But definitely a neat idea, although I would be interested in seeing how they actually incorporate level III or IV protection into "everyday" clothing. It seems odd that all the products I looked at, even on their traditional tactical vests, they list the protection levels as low medium and high, not actual NIJ levels. Leaves me wondering how much testing they've actually done to verify how much protection the products provide, at the very least what their true protection levels are.

C0untZer0 · September 30, 2011, 10:47 PM

Go by bullet diameter, weight and velocity, to figure what your threat level handles.

Any threat level categorizations that are not NIJ are dangerous to go by IMO.

Maybe one exception to this would be in the U.K. Home Office Scientific Development Branch (HOSDB – formerly the Police Scientific Development Branch (PSDB))

But in both cases the levels equate to stopping a certain size and weight projectile at a specified velocity.

Double Naught Spy · October 1, 2011, 12:04 AM

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Leaves me wondering how much testing they've actually done to verify how much protection the products provide, at the very least what their true protection levels are.

Actually, they have done a lot of testing with their materials. As for not stating their products in NIJ standards, I would bet some comparison between High, Medium, and Low and NIJ standards will be provided when the site is finished.

With that said, Medium sounds like it is as good as or better than IIa and maybe as good as II. That is decent protection.

27Veer · October 15, 2011, 02:17 PM

This might be nice to wear when I travel from Cruces to El Paso.

C0untZer0 · October 15, 2011, 04:52 PM

Anywhere near any of BATFE's operations like Fast & Furious, Wide Receiver, etc... would be a nice place to have these to throw on...

C0untZer0 · October 15, 2011, 04:54 PM

Considering that the Iranians don't mind killing "up to 100 other people" in their attempts to assasinate diplomats in the U.S. who don't agree with them, Washington D.C. and N.Y. - near the U.N. Building would also be a nice place to wear these...

chadstrickland · October 15, 2011, 04:58 PM

I am still wondering how much damage a person is going to take getting shot while wearing on of those when they dont have trauma plates. Dont get me wrong, i mean i am sure it is better than nothing but still...i would have to see it tested before i got any.

Double Naught Spy · October 15, 2011, 06:04 PM

It is extensively tested. You can find vids showing folks wearing it and getting shot. Google it.

9mm · October 15, 2011, 06:23 PM

Wow 6,000 for a Polo-Tshirt

PH/CIB · October 27, 2011, 12:43 PM

As stated in warranty does not protect against ammo at 1450 velocity or higher or against knives or ice picks.

Willie Lowman · October 27, 2011, 12:56 PM

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The medium level protects against sub machine guns such as mini Uzis.

Mini Uzi, a 9mm submachinegun with a 7 3/4" barrel.

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the high level protects against high powered assault rifles and machine guns like the MP5.

MP5, a 9mm submachinegun with a 8.9" barrel.

Seems it's that last inch or so of barrel that turns a 9mm subgun into a "high powered assault rifle and/or machine gun".

xMINORxTHREATx · November 8, 2011, 02:45 PM

Read about him in Tom Clancy's new book Against All Enemies.

Didn't think it was a real person until I read this thread. haha

September 30, 2011, 10:03 PM	#1
Big Shrek Senior Member Join Date: August 6, 2009 Location: NorthWest Florida Posts: 1,358	Protective Clothing Expensive, but in some cases...worth it... http://www.miguelcaballerousa.com/ He's made a fortune making protective high-style clothing in Columbia... a smart and well-off person would definitely want to get proper attire from him. Would you rather pay for an extra health insurance violent crime rider, or buy nice clothing? Beats the heck out of Armani

October 15, 2011, 06:04 PM	#9
Double Naught Spy Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 2001 Location: Forestburg, Montague Cnty, TX Posts: 12,793	It is extensively tested. You can find vids showing folks wearing it and getting shot. Google it. __________________ "If you look through your scope and see your shoe, aim higher." -- said to me by my 11 year old daughter before going out for hogs 8/13/2011 My Hunting Videos https://www.youtube.com/user/HornHillRange

September 30, 2011, 10:37 PM	#2
sigcurious Senior Member Join Date: May 26, 2011 Posts: 1,755	The only concern I would have is they seem to have an odd understanding of the differences in threat level(I suspect the marketing dept flubbed the website). Last time I checked an mp5 is not a "high powered assault rifle", as it chambered in handgun rounds. But definitely a neat idea, although I would be interested in seeing how they actually incorporate level III or IV protection into "everyday" clothing. It seems odd that all the products I looked at, even on their traditional tactical vests, they list the protection levels as low medium and high, not actual NIJ levels. Leaves me wondering how much testing they've actually done to verify how much protection the products provide, at the very least what their true protection levels are.

September 30, 2011, 10:47 PM	#3
C0untZer0 Junior member Join Date: April 21, 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,555	Go by bullet diameter, weight and velocity, to figure what your threat level handles. Any threat level categorizations that are not NIJ are dangerous to go by IMO. Maybe one exception to this would be in the U.K. Home Office Scientific Development Branch (HOSDB – formerly the Police Scientific Development Branch (PSDB)) But in both cases the levels equate to stopping a certain size and weight projectile at a specified velocity.

October 15, 2011, 02:17 PM	#5
27Veer Senior Member Join Date: July 24, 2009 Location: Las Cruces Posts: 117	This might be nice to wear when I travel from Cruces to El Paso.

October 15, 2011, 04:52 PM	#6
C0untZer0 Junior member Join Date: April 21, 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,555	Anywhere near any of BATFE's operations like Fast & Furious, Wide Receiver, etc... would be a nice place to have these to throw on...

October 15, 2011, 04:54 PM	#7
C0untZer0 Junior member Join Date: April 21, 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,555	Considering that the Iranians don't mind killing "up to 100 other people" in their attempts to assasinate diplomats in the U.S. who don't agree with them, Washington D.C. and N.Y. - near the U.N. Building would also be a nice place to wear these...

October 15, 2011, 04:58 PM	#8
chadstrickland Senior Member Join Date: January 26, 2011 Location: alabama Posts: 537	I am still wondering how much damage a person is going to take getting shot while wearing on of those when they dont have trauma plates. Dont get me wrong, i mean i am sure it is better than nothing but still...i would have to see it tested before i got any.

October 15, 2011, 06:23 PM	#10
9mm Senior Member Join Date: January 9, 2011 Location: Land of the Free Posts: 2,834	Wow 6,000 for a Polo-Tshirt

October 27, 2011, 12:43 PM	#11
PH/CIB Senior Member Join Date: March 3, 2007 Location: Iowa Posts: 281	As stated in warranty does not protect against ammo at 1450 velocity or higher or against knives or ice picks.

November 8, 2011, 02:45 PM	#13
xMINORxTHREATx Senior Member Join Date: November 25, 2010 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 286	Read about him in Tom Clancy's new book Against All Enemies. Didn't think it was a real person until I read this thread. haha