to paper patch those old single shots... or not ???

Magnum Wheel Man · September 13, 2011, 09:48 AM

been looking at paper patched soft lead bullets for a couple of my rolling blocks... some people ( who are supposed to be in the know ) seem to prefer paper patched bullets... this has been making me curious... & I know nothing about paper patched bullets

any of you guys shoot paper patched ???

is there still a lube used ??? or does paper take it's place???
the paper must burn right ???
do they only use paper with black powder, or can I use it with Trailboss or one of my other smokeless powders ???
could I paper patch cast bullets, ( assuming the correct diameters ) or is it only done with swagged soft lead ???

any good info on shooting these in 32-40 or 40-65 ???

mehavey · September 13, 2011, 03:29 PM

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any of you guys shoot paper patched ???

Yes. 45x3½ - 600gr Ballard bullet - Fg-90gr/4759-8gr - 1 milk carton over-powder cardwad and 1@¼"crisco/beeswax-soaked felt under-bullet wad.

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is there still a lube used ??? or does paper take it's place???

I rub a 3:1 (volume) Motor Mic/Lithium Grease lube onto the patch w/ fingers.

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the paper must burn right ???

The patch does not burn at all. It will shed itself in strips after muzle exit

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do they only use paper with black powder, or can I use it with Trailboss or one of my other smokeless powders ???

It's an "all-powder" technique

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could I paper patch cast bullets, ( assuming the correct diameters ) or is it only done with swagged soft lead ???

I cast the Ballard 600's from pure lead to fire at ~1,400fps. The soft lead takes the rifling better in my (19)81 Sharps. Reliable 1-MOA groups w/ aperture/tang sights

You must use a mold which is many thousandths undersize to accomdate the paper thickness. I use 25% cotton onionskin which is (IIRC) 0.007" thick (x2 wraps) = 0.457" - (4 x 0.007") ≈ 0.430" (I'll have to check that when I get home.)

res45 · September 13, 2011, 06:00 PM

Excellent book on the subject.
http://www.amazon.com/Paper-Jacket-P.../dp/1879356023

The Table of Contents includes the following:

* Introduction
* Chapter 1 Background
* Chapter 2 The Bullet
* Chapter 3 Casting the Paper Patched Bullet
* Chapter 4 Sizing, Bumping and Swaging
* Chapter 5 The Paper Jacket
* Chapter 6 Applying the Patch
* Chapter 7 The Patching Board
* Chapter 8 Lubrication
* Chapter 9 Waterproofing the Jacket
* Chapter 10 Cutting Patches in Quantity
* Chapter 11 Loading the Paper Patched Bullet
* Chapter 12 Theory of the Paper Patched Bullet
* Chapter 13 Back to the Beginning

longranger · September 13, 2011, 07:08 PM

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/forumdisplay.php?f=62

As stated above Paul Matthews book is the bible for p.p.ing.I think you will get more/faster satisfactory results with B/P.The 32-40 was the cartridge of choice for off hand formal target shooting before smokeless powder.If you don't mind the experimentation with componets."traditional" would indicate B/P I think once you understand loading B/P cartridges in its various forms in some rifles it will outshoot smokeless.The 32 40 will be the most challenging to get to shoot well.My Lone Star roller 40-65 will take 500 m Rams with boring regularity under good conditions using B/P.Some cartridges just shine with B/P anything .40 cal or bigger and traditional cartridges will shoot much better with B/P.Best accuracy will be with a straight sided flat base bullet wrapped to bore dia. Fairly soft bullet 20:1-40:1 lead/tin.harder for smokeless.
I see very few rifles using smokless and p.p.ing doing what the B/P will do with either "greasers" or p.p. at longer distances in traditional rifles.
Dec 2010 Handloader magazine has a great article on the 32-40 and getting it to shoot.

September 13, 2011, 09:48 AM	#1
Magnum Wheel Man Senior Member Join Date: July 26, 2006 Location: Southern Minnesota Posts: 9,333	to paper patch those old single shots... or not ??? been looking at paper patched soft lead bullets for a couple of my rolling blocks... some people ( who are supposed to be in the know ) seem to prefer paper patched bullets... this has been making me curious... & I know nothing about paper patched bullets any of you guys shoot paper patched ??? is there still a lube used ??? or does paper take it's place??? the paper must burn right ??? do they only use paper with black powder, or can I use it with Trailboss or one of my other smokeless powders ??? could I paper patch cast bullets, ( assuming the correct diameters ) or is it only done with swagged soft lead ??? any good info on shooting these in 32-40 or 40-65 ??? Last edited by Magnum Wheel Man; September 13, 2011 at 10:04 AM.

September 13, 2011, 06:00 PM	#3
res45 Senior Member Join Date: September 15, 2007 Location: NC Posts: 753	Excellent book on the subject. http://www.amazon.com/Paper-Jacket-P.../dp/1879356023 The Table of Contents includes the following: * Introduction * Chapter 1 Background * Chapter 2 The Bullet * Chapter 3 Casting the Paper Patched Bullet * Chapter 4 Sizing, Bumping and Swaging * Chapter 5 The Paper Jacket * Chapter 6 Applying the Patch * Chapter 7 The Patching Board * Chapter 8 Lubrication * Chapter 9 Waterproofing the Jacket * Chapter 10 Cutting Patches in Quantity * Chapter 11 Loading the Paper Patched Bullet * Chapter 12 Theory of the Paper Patched Bullet * Chapter 13 Back to the Beginning

September 13, 2011, 07:08 PM	#4
longranger Senior Member Join Date: November 4, 2008 Location: Buffalo WY Posts: 1,056	http://castboolits.gunloads.com/forumdisplay.php?f=62 As stated above Paul Matthews book is the bible for p.p.ing.I think you will get more/faster satisfactory results with B/P.The 32-40 was the cartridge of choice for off hand formal target shooting before smokeless powder.If you don't mind the experimentation with componets."traditional" would indicate B/P I think once you understand loading B/P cartridges in its various forms in some rifles it will outshoot smokeless.The 32 40 will be the most challenging to get to shoot well.My Lone Star roller 40-65 will take 500 m Rams with boring regularity under good conditions using B/P.Some cartridges just shine with B/P anything .40 cal or bigger and traditional cartridges will shoot much better with B/P.Best accuracy will be with a straight sided flat base bullet wrapped to bore dia. Fairly soft bullet 20:1-40:1 lead/tin.harder for smokeless. I see very few rifles using smokless and p.p.ing doing what the B/P will do with either "greasers" or p.p. at longer distances in traditional rifles. Dec 2010 Handloader magazine has a great article on the 32-40 and getting it to shoot.