Has anyone shot Remingtons new double rifle yet ???

Magnum Wheel Man · May 4, 2008, 12:08 PM

I was in the local toy store paying my "regular" lay away payment... one more payment, & my new VZ-58 comes home... ( then time to start working on getting that pair of Montados home )... while doing the walkaround, I saw 2 more rifles that neither was on my list to buy this year, but that really caught my eye...

1st was a BRNO semi auto ( forget the model... but the sme as my 22 mag semi ), only in 17 HMR... ( not quite as nice a wood as my little BRNO though )

2nd was the new Remington double rifle... this one was in 30-06 ( not sure what other calibers will be coming, & if they'll all be regulated to the same distance, but I'd have been in trouble, if that had been in a big bore caliber )... I asked the store owner about it, as I'd heard of them, but not seen one... he told me they are so rare yet, that the Remington rep had not even seen one yet...

... I'm wondering how they shoot... based on the Bakal single shots ( basically 2 barrels bolted together ), the barrels are nearly 1.5 - 2" apart, & side by side... currious at what distance they are regulated to meet, & if anyone ( more connected than I ) has had the chance to shoot one yet... this one was priced out in the $700's

.... your guys thoughts ???

rampage841512 · May 4, 2008, 01:09 PM

I'd like to know more about this myself.

bufordtjustice · May 5, 2008, 09:32 AM

I was thinking those were the doubles they called "Spartan" or "Spartan Gun Works" or some such. I believe they were making them in .30-06 and .45-70. I would speculate that the bullets would converge at about 100 yards. I had a buddy that was really looking for one but I don't know if the .45-70 will handle really heavy loads like buffalo bore, etc. He wanted a sort of poor mans big game rifle.

73-Captain · May 6, 2008, 02:07 AM

Double rifles are not necessarily regulated to converge.

Personally I would prefer them to be regulated to shoot PARALLEL to each other and NOT to converge.

Regulating the barrels to shoot parallel allows the rifle to be shot at ALL ranges instead of being limited to some distance beyond the "converging" range. At all ranges the left barrel would shoot all shots into one group and the right barrel would shoot all shots into another group 1.5 to 2" to the right.

Remember, as range increases even a rifle regulated to shoot parallel would APPEAR to be regulated to converge but this is due to the increase in group size and not from shots actually converging and then diverging at some set range.

But, realisticly you would not be shooting a double rifle at very long ranges anyway.

C.

jhgreasemonkey · May 6, 2008, 10:14 PM

As stated above that is the spartan line which is made by Baikal. I have a Baikal over/under rifle/shotgun combo in 7.62x39 and 12 guage. I picked it up as remington was just starting to take over importing baikals and there were still plenty to be had for cheap. Remington upped the price a bit more than EAA was selling them for. You are now paying for the "remington" spartan line name. Mine shoots pretty well and has been all I thought it would be. I have the izh 94. I remember when I was doing the research on them that there is an article floating around the internet by a gun mag guy who went to russia on a brown bear hunt and used a baikal 30-06 over/under. I remember that it did the job and accuracy was acceptable but that was all. You wont get great accuracy or nice triggers. On mine the triggers are gritty and stiff and the action is very stiff to open. On the plus side they are known for their durability. And you will get a unique hunting rifle with these guns.

Renny · May 28, 2008, 01:05 PM

I have the IZH94 12/223.
I put a Bushnell banner 1-4 Shotgunscope on it. It performs well. The trigers is not the best but ok. Its great for hunting more than one game at the time. It is a bit on the heavy side for carring around but i am a big guy so its not a real problem. It has 3 chokes, F, M and C but i just use the full choke, it performs closer to a modified than a full. I am satisfied with my combo gun.

ginshun · May 28, 2008, 02:19 PM

I had always thought that double rifles were supposed to work the way 73-Captain described. They are meant to shoot parrallel not to ever "converge" This is why they are so expensive is because the regulartion has to be done by an actual person shooting a specific load. The recoil of the gun (amongst other things) affects the path of the bullet, so if its regulated with a 400lb guy shooting max loads, its not going to shoot the same for a 120lb guy shooting light loads. It also can't be locked in a vice and regulated and be expected to shoot the same for a person. Thats the reason they are individually made and not mass produced. Its individual to the rifle. If you and your buddy each buy a H&H double for however many tens of thousands each, they are each actually reguated by a person and the wedges welded in where they work on each rifle, not put in a jig and welded up to be identical.

Maybe I am being a skeptic, but I wouldn't expect too much in the accuracy department from a $700, mass produced double.

Doesn't mean I wouldn't like to have one anyway, just that I wouldn't expect it to shoot all that accurately.

fisherman66 · May 28, 2008, 02:42 PM

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They are meant to shoot parrallel not to ever "converge"

That's not always the case. A gent here posted a build summary of a Ruger Red Label to U/O rifle. There was a point of convergence. I believe it was 150 yards, but it's a little fuzzy on the actual distance. You stated that they are most often "custom", therefore the buyer decides the regulation parameters. I'd agree with you if you said it made more sense to have a parallel shooter.

May 4, 2008, 12:08 PM	#1
Magnum Wheel Man Senior Member Join Date: July 26, 2006 Location: Southern Minnesota Posts: 9,333	Has anyone shot Remingtons new double rifle yet ??? I was in the local toy store paying my "regular" lay away payment... one more payment, & my new VZ-58 comes home... ( then time to start working on getting that pair of Montados home )... while doing the walkaround, I saw 2 more rifles that neither was on my list to buy this year, but that really caught my eye... 1st was a BRNO semi auto ( forget the model... but the sme as my 22 mag semi ), only in 17 HMR... ( not quite as nice a wood as my little BRNO though ) 2nd was the new Remington double rifle... this one was in 30-06 ( not sure what other calibers will be coming, & if they'll all be regulated to the same distance, but I'd have been in trouble, if that had been in a big bore caliber )... I asked the store owner about it, as I'd heard of them, but not seen one... he told me they are so rare yet, that the Remington rep had not even seen one yet... ... I'm wondering how they shoot... based on the Bakal single shots ( basically 2 barrels bolted together ), the barrels are nearly 1.5 - 2" apart, & side by side... currious at what distance they are regulated to meet, & if anyone ( more connected than I ) has had the chance to shoot one yet... this one was priced out in the $700's .... your guys thoughts ???

May 6, 2008, 02:07 AM	#4
73-Captain Junior member Join Date: December 14, 2007 Posts: 199	Double Rifle regulation. Double rifles are not necessarily regulated to converge. Personally I would prefer them to be regulated to shoot PARALLEL to each other and NOT to converge. Regulating the barrels to shoot parallel allows the rifle to be shot at ALL ranges instead of being limited to some distance beyond the "converging" range. At all ranges the left barrel would shoot all shots into one group and the right barrel would shoot all shots into another group 1.5 to 2" to the right. Remember, as range increases even a rifle regulated to shoot parallel would APPEAR to be regulated to converge but this is due to the increase in group size and not from shots actually converging and then diverging at some set range. But, realisticly you would not be shooting a double rifle at very long ranges anyway. C. Last edited by 73-Captain; May 6, 2008 at 02:11 AM. Reason: Correct Late Night Spelling

May 28, 2008, 01:05 PM	#6
Renny Member Join Date: May 16, 2007 Location: Chaco Paraguay Posts: 96	I have the 12/223 I have the IZH94 12/223. I put a Bushnell banner 1-4 Shotgunscope on it. It performs well. The trigers is not the best but ok. Its great for hunting more than one game at the time. It is a bit on the heavy side for carring around but i am a big guy so its not a real problem. It has 3 chokes, F, M and C but i just use the full choke, it performs closer to a modified than a full. I am satisfied with my combo gun.

May 4, 2008, 01:09 PM	#2
rampage841512 Senior Member Join Date: July 16, 2007 Location: Gardendale, Alabama Posts: 665	I'd like to know more about this myself.

May 5, 2008, 09:32 AM	#3
bufordtjustice Senior Member Join Date: February 14, 2008 Posts: 279	I was thinking those were the doubles they called "Spartan" or "Spartan Gun Works" or some such. I believe they were making them in .30-06 and .45-70. I would speculate that the bullets would converge at about 100 yards. I had a buddy that was really looking for one but I don't know if the .45-70 will handle really heavy loads like buffalo bore, etc. He wanted a sort of poor mans big game rifle.

May 6, 2008, 10:14 PM	#5
jhgreasemonkey Senior Member Join Date: February 7, 2006 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 2,238	As stated above that is the spartan line which is made by Baikal. I have a Baikal over/under rifle/shotgun combo in 7.62x39 and 12 guage. I picked it up as remington was just starting to take over importing baikals and there were still plenty to be had for cheap. Remington upped the price a bit more than EAA was selling them for. You are now paying for the "remington" spartan line name. Mine shoots pretty well and has been all I thought it would be. I have the izh 94. I remember when I was doing the research on them that there is an article floating around the internet by a gun mag guy who went to russia on a brown bear hunt and used a baikal 30-06 over/under. I remember that it did the job and accuracy was acceptable but that was all. You wont get great accuracy or nice triggers. On mine the triggers are gritty and stiff and the action is very stiff to open. On the plus side they are known for their durability. And you will get a unique hunting rifle with these guns.

May 28, 2008, 02:19 PM	#7
ginshun Senior Member Join Date: March 14, 2008 Posts: 162	I had always thought that double rifles were supposed to work the way 73-Captain described. They are meant to shoot parrallel not to ever "converge" This is why they are so expensive is because the regulartion has to be done by an actual person shooting a specific load. The recoil of the gun (amongst other things) affects the path of the bullet, so if its regulated with a 400lb guy shooting max loads, its not going to shoot the same for a 120lb guy shooting light loads. It also can't be locked in a vice and regulated and be expected to shoot the same for a person. Thats the reason they are individually made and not mass produced. Its individual to the rifle. If you and your buddy each buy a H&H double for however many tens of thousands each, they are each actually reguated by a person and the wedges welded in where they work on each rifle, not put in a jig and welded up to be identical. Maybe I am being a skeptic, but I wouldn't expect too much in the accuracy department from a $700, mass produced double. Doesn't mean I wouldn't like to have one anyway, just that I wouldn't expect it to shoot all that accurately.