New Hampshire Republican Primary Thread

Thumper · January 8, 2008, 08:43 PM

With 6% reporting, it looks like McCain is walking away with it, followed distantly by Romney, with Huckabee bringing up the remote rear.

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Arabia · January 8, 2008, 08:59 PM

Probably the only major state he will win. After that Romney, Huckabee, and Rudy will push him out of the top in the next primary.

Thumper · January 8, 2008, 09:51 PM

Agreed. The Independant voting block seems to have given McCain quite a boost.

STAGE 2 · January 8, 2008, 10:02 PM

Well, it appears that McCain lives to see another day. Huckabee had a promising run as well. Thompson is running dead last. And Ron Paul is once again as of this typing (and this time in a state in which he was said to have ardent support) running in 5th place.

Reality is starting to set in.

TheBluesMan · January 8, 2008, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Thumper

McCain is walking away with it, followed distantly by Romney, with Huckabee bringing up the remote rear.

Looks like a more accurate assessment would be that McCain is winning, Romney is a close second followed distantly by Huckabee, Giuliani and Paul.

From your own link:

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With 115 of 301 Precincts Reporting - 38%
McCain, John - 26,158 - 37%
Romney, Mitt - 20,792 - 30%
Huckabee, Mike - 8,328 - 12%
Giuliani, Rudy - 6,137 - 9%
Paul, Ron - 5,660 - 8%
Total Write-ins - 1,363 - 2%
Thompson, Fred - 878 - 1%
Hunter, Duncan - 402 - 1%

I think third place is a very respectable showing for Huckabee considering the political make-up of New Hampshire and their polling practices. Quite respectable.

I foresee McCain and Giuliani fading over the next month and the race coming down to Romney and Huckabee.

cool hand luke 22:36 · January 8, 2008, 10:41 PM

For Ron Paul to come in behind Giuliani has got to be devastating to his campaign.

All that money, ardent supporters, unique contributers, and a Blimp even...

And Giuliani didn't even campaign in New Hampshire.

Ron Paul needs to consider dropping out of the race at this point.

Thumper · January 8, 2008, 10:46 PM

Agreed, Dave. The separation was a little more pronounced when I made my initial post at 6%.

xd9fan · January 8, 2008, 11:00 PM

If Paul drops out, Conservatives will have no voice.

Good Luck will your 2A "Rights"

Thumper · January 8, 2008, 11:04 PM

Why are we discussing Paul here? Two states in a row in which he's proven irrelevant...

Anyway, I also believe McCain's win in NH is a fluke. Pretty good showing by Huck, though, considering that he had pretty much written the state off.

Arabia · January 9, 2008, 12:41 AM

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Good Luck will your 2A "Rights"

I thought we where all in this together? I guess Ron Paul supporter have a special place to go after the election and see themselves as elitists that won't be effected by gun laws because they are 2n ad purists.

STAGE 2 · January 9, 2008, 12:44 AM

The good doctor is now at 7% and losing to Guliani who's at 9%.

dwc1973 · January 9, 2008, 01:12 AM

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For Ron Paul to come in behind Giuliani has got to be devastating to his campaign.

All that money, ardent supporters, unique contributers, and a Blimp even...

And Giuliani didn't even campaign in New Hampshire.

Ron Paul needs to consider dropping out of the race at this point.

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Why are we discussing Paul here? Two states in a row in which he's proven irrelevant...

Anyway, I also believe McCain's win in NH is a fluke. Pretty good showing by Huck, though, considering that he had pretty much written the state off.

respectfully, i must submit - thats right, just 2 states. the process is just underway and because of 2 states, you all believe that he should bow out? that is pretty shallow. and the past has shown that a "poor" showing in Iowa and N.Hampshire does not neccesarily reflect the end result.

STAGE 2 · January 9, 2008, 01:25 AM

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that is pretty shallow. and the past has shown that a "poor" showing in Iowa and N.Hampshire does not neccesarily reflect the end result.

Not in light of the fact that the Paulistas have been ranting that Iowa and New hampshire were bastions of Paul support. Paul is finished. His losing is just a mere formality.

dwc1973 · January 9, 2008, 01:38 AM

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Paul is finished.

i can't predict anything but that is premature. and i cannot deny that the "Paulista" fight is an uphill one but i'm willing to wait it out if you are.

dwc1973 · January 9, 2008, 01:46 AM

how about "Paulistines"?

mountainclmbr · January 9, 2008, 01:49 AM

Romney won Wyoming and came in close 2nd Iowa and NH. Huckabee won Iowa and way back in NH. McCain won NH, way back in Iowa.

Who knows what will happen in the next states...except Huckabee will probably win SC for the R's and Obama for the D's.

Overall I think Romney has done the best on the "R" side. I prefer Thompson, by the way.

I think it is still a toss up among front runners until Super Tuesay.

Hillary won the Dem race in NH. I probably won't sleep well tonight!

jtaylor · January 9, 2008, 01:53 AM

If Paul can't win, then he was wrong...This country isn't failing, it's already failed and the lone voice of reason and truth isn't winning as he should be.
He's the only 100% pure choice... No lies, flip flopping, scandals, acting, shady tactics... He's the only one talking substance, but it seems as though people don't want to hear the truth of current situations. They want hype, rhetoric, nice suits, style, unfeasible promises. If the war is to continue, then that's that, but you can't have both a 2 trillion dollar+ war and money for healthcare, economy..etc. You can't have tax cuts and be policing the world stirring up more costly conflicts....
I think RP has many supporters that need to somehow do more to spread the message that corporate America/media doesn't want to be spread!
I know there was at least 1 president in the past who lost Iowa and NH but went on to win presidency!! If RP in the end, is facing Hillary or Obama, it'll be clearly evident to America that he is the solution.
Ford told America that Reagan was unelectable, not presidential material!!!
Ron Paul can win, he's raised over 20 million and needs more support. He's a different breed than the self interested so called "republicans" running.... I can settle for Huckabee, but we're in trouble if we see Hillary, Obama or Mcain, Guilaini or Romney.... The choices are disgusting.. Ron Paul is the only good choice!!!!!!!!!!

dwc1973 · January 9, 2008, 01:57 AM

+1 jtaylor. its all rock and roll until the rock won't roll no more.

Bruxley · January 9, 2008, 02:15 AM

Thompson and Giuliani are STARTING in South Carolina. And, as pointed out, there is yet no genuine front runner on either side.

This is actually how it is supposed to go right? The cycles where the nominees are already decided nd the voices of those in other States is just a formality and of no impact are the ones that diluted the system.

I like it. The extended campaigning and the shifting of place positions is refreshing.

The Paul supporters have a very good point, given his message, and his highly energized supporters he SHOULD be ahead. The sole reason is lack of leadership ability by Paul. The scurrying around for other excuses has them in a near froth but that is what it boils down to. A real pity in my opinion. His message is what America needs as far as the ardent adherence to the Constitution and the morbid obesity of the Federal Government. But sadly there is no substitute for leadership ability despite the integrity and sound, strong message.

Now if we can either point out some examples of leadership ability by Paul and stop scurry around in a froth so as to give some room for a discussion of the other Republican candidates it would go a long way toward some semblance of dignity for Paul supporters. And given recent events, a substantial exposition of dignity is much needed.

dwc1973 · January 9, 2008, 02:20 AM

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Now if we can either point out some examples of leadership ability by Paul and stop scurry around in a froth so as to give some room for a discussion of the other Republican candidates it would go a long way toward some semblance of dignity for Paul supporters. And given recent events, a substantial exposition of dignity is much needed.

agreed....

jtaylor · January 9, 2008, 02:47 AM

Interesting article here: http://www.usadaily.com/article.cfm?articleID=207908

Ron Paul is expected to take Michigan and of course, his delegate rich home state, Texas. He's got alot of money left and can gain momentum for super Tuesday. I won't be surprised when he gets party nomination, he's the most qualified, intelligent and honest one in the party, maybe in the whole election. He's pulled 5th in each, and 2nd in Wyoming. Romney and Mcain most likely won't have wide based support. Paul has many supporters in every state and will draw the libertarian votes and many independents.
Considering that he hasn't had the media coverage of the others and isn't a 9/11 celeb, tv star or former 1st lady, his numbers are actually encouraging.
I will say one thing, every Ron Paul supporter I've seen or met is intelligent, conscientious and in touch with reality.
I hear alot of other supporters say things like " having a woman president transcends all the other issues" or " Obama talks so well!!! " or " Guiliani is tough, that's what we need..."
That's the most disheartening thing to me, that most Americans aren't critically thinking and considering the consequences of the ideas of these candidates. We have no more money, no more troops, we have laws, more laws and permits and more permits, programs to take your money, programs to send some back. We don't need more government!!! Fundamental change is needed!! I don't think the other candidates see that the system is faulty. 20 years ago, we had all the same issues as now, real change is the only solution.

STAGE 2 · January 9, 2008, 04:26 AM

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Ron Paul is expected to take Michigan and of course, his delegate rich home state, Texas.

LOL!!! Paull didn't even win the Texas straw poll, and someone expects him to win Texas. Give me a break.

Either Romney or McCain is going to take Michigan. Paul will make a performance identical to tonight.

His campaign is a perfect example of the importance of the messenger. A wonderful messenger can make up for a poor message (Obama) but a great message can't make up for a poor messenger (Paul).

publius42 · January 9, 2008, 06:23 AM

Did anyone else notice that a guy called "Vermin Supreme" got 36 votes?

And I thought only the frontrunners were vermin!

Can anyone explain what happened to the Thompson campaign? Fred would be my second choice, behind Ron Paul. I have seen lots of Paul supporters say the same thing. I have seen lots of his detractors say they would like a more mainstream candidate who shares at least some of Paul's views on federalism.

The only two who meet those criteria just got clobbered by Paul, again. If all of the write in voters and all of the Fred voters and all of the Hunter voters ALL switched to Ron Paul, he would have beaten Giuliani, but still been behind Huckabee. Huck got 11%. John McCain? Mitt Romney?

It's looking grim for freedom in America.

Unregistered · January 9, 2008, 08:14 AM

You know the Republicans are in trouble when they spend more time fighting with a candidate who is getting less than 10 percent of vote, rather than telling us what they will do to fix our nations problems. Unless the Republicans nominate McCain, it won't matter who they nominate... because everyone else will lose to Hilbama.

Rifleman 173 · January 9, 2008, 08:21 AM

So Hitlery took N.H. away from Obama, eh? I bet that means that from now she'll cry a little bit before each and every election. "Vote for me or WHHHHHAAAAA," could become her new motto. :barf:

January 8, 2008, 08:43 PM	#1
Thumper Senior Member Join Date: August 16, 2000 Location: Sugar Land, Tx Posts: 1,507	New Hampshire Republican Primary Thread With 6% reporting, it looks like McCain is walking away with it, followed distantly by Romney, with Huckabee bringing up the remote rear. http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/e...CTION=POLITICS

January 8, 2008, 10:02 PM	#4
STAGE 2 Senior Member Join Date: April 26, 2002 Posts: 2,676	NH Primary Results Well, it appears that McCain lives to see another day. Huckabee had a promising run as well. Thompson is running dead last. And Ron Paul is once again as of this typing (and this time in a state in which he was said to have ardent support) running in 5th place. Reality is starting to set in.

January 8, 2008, 08:59 PM	#2
Arabia Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 2006 Location: Massachusetts, The Bay State Posts: 432	Probably the only major state he will win. After that Romney, Huckabee, and Rudy will push him out of the top in the next primary.

January 8, 2008, 09:51 PM	#3
Thumper Senior Member Join Date: August 16, 2000 Location: Sugar Land, Tx Posts: 1,507	Agreed. The Independant voting block seems to have given McCain quite a boost.

January 8, 2008, 10:41 PM	#6
cool hand luke 22:36 Senior Member Join Date: May 17, 2004 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 768	For Ron Paul to come in behind Giuliani has got to be devastating to his campaign. All that money, ardent supporters, unique contributers, and a Blimp even... And Giuliani didn't even campaign in New Hampshire. Ron Paul needs to consider dropping out of the race at this point.

January 8, 2008, 10:46 PM	#7
Thumper Senior Member Join Date: August 16, 2000 Location: Sugar Land, Tx Posts: 1,507	Agreed, Dave. The separation was a little more pronounced when I made my initial post at 6%.

January 8, 2008, 11:00 PM	#8
xd9fan Senior Member Join Date: June 5, 2007 Location: Under tyranny in Midwest Posts: 363	If Paul drops out, Conservatives will have no voice. Good Luck will your 2A "Rights"

January 8, 2008, 11:04 PM	#9
Thumper Senior Member Join Date: August 16, 2000 Location: Sugar Land, Tx Posts: 1,507	Why are we discussing Paul here? Two states in a row in which he's proven irrelevant... Anyway, I also believe McCain's win in NH is a fluke. Pretty good showing by Huck, though, considering that he had pretty much written the state off.

January 9, 2008, 12:44 AM	#11
STAGE 2 Senior Member Join Date: April 26, 2002 Posts: 2,676	The good doctor is now at 7% and losing to Guliani who's at 9%.

January 9, 2008, 01:46 AM	#15
dwc1973 Senior Member Join Date: November 9, 2007 Posts: 163	how about "Paulistines"?

January 9, 2008, 01:49 AM	#16
mountainclmbr Senior Member Join Date: May 29, 2007 Location: On a mountain in the Colorado Rockies Posts: 966	Romney won Wyoming and came in close 2nd Iowa and NH. Huckabee won Iowa and way back in NH. McCain won NH, way back in Iowa. Who knows what will happen in the next states...except Huckabee will probably win SC for the R's and Obama for the D's. Overall I think Romney has done the best on the "R" side. I prefer Thompson, by the way. I think it is still a toss up among front runners until Super Tuesay. Hillary won the Dem race in NH. I probably won't sleep well tonight!

January 9, 2008, 01:53 AM	#17
jtaylor Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2007 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 215	If Paul can't win, then he was wrong...This country isn't failing, it's already failed and the lone voice of reason and truth isn't winning as he should be. He's the only 100% pure choice... No lies, flip flopping, scandals, acting, shady tactics... He's the only one talking substance, but it seems as though people don't want to hear the truth of current situations. They want hype, rhetoric, nice suits, style, unfeasible promises. If the war is to continue, then that's that, but you can't have both a 2 trillion dollar+ war and money for healthcare, economy..etc. You can't have tax cuts and be policing the world stirring up more costly conflicts.... I think RP has many supporters that need to somehow do more to spread the message that corporate America/media doesn't want to be spread! I know there was at least 1 president in the past who lost Iowa and NH but went on to win presidency!! If RP in the end, is facing Hillary or Obama, it'll be clearly evident to America that he is the solution. Ford told America that Reagan was unelectable, not presidential material!!! Ron Paul can win, he's raised over 20 million and needs more support. He's a different breed than the self interested so called "republicans" running.... I can settle for Huckabee, but we're in trouble if we see Hillary, Obama or Mcain, Guilaini or Romney.... The choices are disgusting.. Ron Paul is the only good choice!!!!!!!!!!

January 9, 2008, 01:57 AM	#18
dwc1973 Senior Member Join Date: November 9, 2007 Posts: 163	+1 jtaylor. its all rock and roll until the rock won't roll no more.

January 9, 2008, 02:15 AM	#19
Bruxley Senior Member Join Date: April 27, 2007 Posts: 1,462	Thompson and Giuliani are STARTING in South Carolina. And, as pointed out, there is yet no genuine front runner on either side. This is actually how it is supposed to go right? The cycles where the nominees are already decided nd the voices of those in other States is just a formality and of no impact are the ones that diluted the system. I like it. The extended campaigning and the shifting of place positions is refreshing. The Paul supporters have a very good point, given his message, and his highly energized supporters he SHOULD be ahead. The sole reason is lack of leadership ability by Paul. The scurrying around for other excuses has them in a near froth but that is what it boils down to. A real pity in my opinion. His message is what America needs as far as the ardent adherence to the Constitution and the morbid obesity of the Federal Government. But sadly there is no substitute for leadership ability despite the integrity and sound, strong message. Now if we can either point out some examples of leadership ability by Paul and stop scurry around in a froth so as to give some room for a discussion of the other Republican candidates it would go a long way toward some semblance of dignity for Paul supporters. And given recent events, a substantial exposition of dignity is much needed.

January 9, 2008, 02:47 AM	#21
jtaylor Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2007 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 215	Interesting article here: http://www.usadaily.com/article.cfm?articleID=207908 Ron Paul is expected to take Michigan and of course, his delegate rich home state, Texas. He's got alot of money left and can gain momentum for super Tuesday. I won't be surprised when he gets party nomination, he's the most qualified, intelligent and honest one in the party, maybe in the whole election. He's pulled 5th in each, and 2nd in Wyoming. Romney and Mcain most likely won't have wide based support. Paul has many supporters in every state and will draw the libertarian votes and many independents. Considering that he hasn't had the media coverage of the others and isn't a 9/11 celeb, tv star or former 1st lady, his numbers are actually encouraging. I will say one thing, every Ron Paul supporter I've seen or met is intelligent, conscientious and in touch with reality. I hear alot of other supporters say things like " having a woman president transcends all the other issues" or " Obama talks so well!!! " or " Guiliani is tough, that's what we need..." That's the most disheartening thing to me, that most Americans aren't critically thinking and considering the consequences of the ideas of these candidates. We have no more money, no more troops, we have laws, more laws and permits and more permits, programs to take your money, programs to send some back. We don't need more government!!! Fundamental change is needed!! I don't think the other candidates see that the system is faulty. 20 years ago, we had all the same issues as now, real change is the only solution.

January 9, 2008, 06:23 AM	#23
publius42 Senior Member Join Date: February 9, 2002 Posts: 1,936	Did anyone else notice that a guy called "Vermin Supreme" got 36 votes? And I thought only the frontrunners were vermin! Can anyone explain what happened to the Thompson campaign? Fred would be my second choice, behind Ron Paul. I have seen lots of Paul supporters say the same thing. I have seen lots of his detractors say they would like a more mainstream candidate who shares at least some of Paul's views on federalism. The only two who meet those criteria just got clobbered by Paul, again. If all of the write in voters and all of the Fred voters and all of the Hunter voters ALL switched to Ron Paul, he would have beaten Giuliani, but still been behind Huckabee. Huck got 11%. John McCain? Mitt Romney? It's looking grim for freedom in America.

January 9, 2008, 08:14 AM	#24
Unregistered Junior member Join Date: May 9, 2005 Posts: 1,802	You know the Republicans are in trouble when they spend more time fighting with a candidate who is getting less than 10 percent of vote, rather than telling us what they will do to fix our nations problems. Unless the Republicans nominate McCain, it won't matter who they nominate... because everyone else will lose to Hilbama.

January 9, 2008, 08:21 AM	#25
Rifleman 173 Senior Member Join Date: August 17, 2007 Location: Central Illinois Posts: 589	So Hitlery took N.H. away from Obama, eh? I bet that means that from now she'll cry a little bit before each and every election. "Vote for me or WHHHHHAAAAA," could become her new motto. :barf: