Question regarding Muzzle Brake in NY

Capt_Vin · July 21, 2007, 05:17 AM

I own and love to shoot a Hi-Point .9mm carbine rifle. Before anyone rips me for this, let me just say for $200.00, it is an accurate and fun plinking rifle that is cheap to shoot, and is also a good home defence weapon. (Don't knock one til ya shoot one).

The only complaint I have is the rifle has one heck of a recoil. I decided to try out the muzzle brake that Hi-point makes for this rifle as they claim it will cut down on the recoil.

Now, the brake is held on to the barrel with a couple of set screws, as the barrel nor the brake is threaded. I ordered the brake ($23.00 plus shipping) thru a local gun shop but their gunsmith told me that since it isn't a factory installed brake (factory ones are welded on and can't be removed) that it will be illegal to install it under current NY firearm laws.

Does anyone know if this is this true? If it is, then why would a gun shop order it in the first place? Does anyone know how to make it legal if it is in fact illegal to have on the rifle? Does anyone know another way to cut down the recoil onone of these rifles if I can't use the brake?

guncrank · July 21, 2007, 09:41 PM

Just weld the brake on the barrel. I don't know about current NY laws
You can also have the barrel Manga-ported.

bobn · July 21, 2007, 10:25 PM

hm brakes are not flash hiders. i believe he is confusing the two. bobn

Harry Bonar · July 22, 2007, 02:39 PM

Sir:
I'm not trying to be disrespectful or cute but I cannot believe that recoil from this 9mm is a problem.
Harry B.

Capt_Vin · July 23, 2007, 12:32 AM

Harry, the recoil from this rifleis pretty bad, considering it has absolutely no type of recoil prevention device or whatever ya want to call it. I have shot 12ga shotguns with the same kick. I think the reason is due to the way it was designed. The recoil problem is the #1 complaint with Hi-points .9mm and .40cal. carbines. I even ruined a rather pricy 'cheap' (is that a word??) scope ($150..00) on this rifle. But, I still enjoy plinking with it so I won't give it up.
As far as confusing the two (brake and suppressor), I know the difference, and I already checked the law, no threaded barrels of any type allowed nor are any brakes or suppressors not threaded, bolted or welded on except on pre-ban rifles. The laws in how they are written now (supposed to be in "plain English" now too,... plain for whom?????) are more confusing than electricity to an Amish electrician (don't ask, LOL!). What I mean is, in one sentence, the law says one thing, but in another sentence, it says the exact opposite. Go figure. Wanna get really messed up on NY (state, not city) gun laws? Look up the section titled "Miscellaneous" and enjoy the ride. Makes for some pretty confusing reading. I personally think nuclear physics is easier to understand!
Anyway, thanks for the replies.

**4V50 Gary** · July 23, 2007, 02:02 AM

Considering the weight of the gun and that it is only 9mm, how bad can it be? Are you pulling it tight into your shoulder? Show us a pic of how you shoulder the gun.

dfaugh · July 23, 2007, 08:58 AM

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I have shot 12ga shotguns with the same kick.

Say WHAT? My 9mm Highpoint has only slightly more recoil than a .22(even with +P+ rounds), and if the HP was heavier, it would be about the same. For this reason, I often use it when training new shooters (after they get use to a bolt action .22, safety first). This has included several women in the 100 lb range, and none thought the recoil was objectionable. Not even in the same zipcode as a 12 gauge, even using light shot loads. The only reason I would consider the muzzle break is to lessen "muzzle flip" (which there isn't much of either), doubt it'll chnage recoil all that much..

Flash hider = illegal
Muzzle brake = legal, no matter how attached

I'm, in NY as well

July 21, 2007, 09:41 PM	#2
guncrank Senior Member Join Date: July 15, 2006 Location: Fern Creek ,KY and Metro Louisville at large Posts: 432	Just weld the brake on the barrel. I don't know about current NY laws You can also have the barrel Manga-ported. __________________ Republic Arms and Armaments 07 1-502-231-1118 Machine Shop and Finishing Services to the trade and public

July 22, 2007, 02:39 PM	#4
Harry Bonar Senior Member Join Date: December 5, 2004 Location: In the Vincent, Ohio general area. Posts: 1,804	9mm recoil Sir: I'm not trying to be disrespectful or cute but I cannot believe that recoil from this 9mm is a problem. Harry B.

July 23, 2007, 02:02 AM	#6
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 22,306	Considering the weight of the gun and that it is only 9mm, how bad can it be? Are you pulling it tight into your shoulder? Show us a pic of how you shoulder the gun. __________________ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. *Molon Labe!*

July 21, 2007, 05:17 AM	#1
Capt_Vin Senior Member Join Date: January 4, 2006 Posts: 266	Question regarding Muzzle Brake in NY I own and love to shoot a Hi-Point .9mm carbine rifle. Before anyone rips me for this, let me just say for $200.00, it is an accurate and fun plinking rifle that is cheap to shoot, and is also a good home defence weapon. (Don't knock one til ya shoot one). The only complaint I have is the rifle has one heck of a recoil. I decided to try out the muzzle brake that Hi-point makes for this rifle as they claim it will cut down on the recoil. Now, the brake is held on to the barrel with a couple of set screws, as the barrel nor the brake is threaded. I ordered the brake ($23.00 plus shipping) thru a local gun shop but their gunsmith told me that since it isn't a factory installed brake (factory ones are welded on and can't be removed) that it will be illegal to install it under current NY firearm laws. Does anyone know if this is this true? If it is, then why would a gun shop order it in the first place? Does anyone know how to make it legal if it is in fact illegal to have on the rifle? Does anyone know another way to cut down the recoil onone of these rifles if I can't use the brake?

July 21, 2007, 10:25 PM	#3
bobn Senior Member Join Date: December 30, 2006 Location: midwest Posts: 1,120	hm brakes are not flash hiders. i believe he is confusing the two. bobn

July 23, 2007, 12:32 AM	#5
Capt_Vin Senior Member Join Date: January 4, 2006 Posts: 266	Harry, the recoil from this rifleis pretty bad, considering it has absolutely no type of recoil prevention device or whatever ya want to call it. I have shot 12ga shotguns with the same kick. I think the reason is due to the way it was designed. The recoil problem is the #1 complaint with Hi-points .9mm and .40cal. carbines. I even ruined a rather pricy 'cheap' (is that a word??) scope ($150..00) on this rifle. But, I still enjoy plinking with it so I won't give it up. As far as confusing the two (brake and suppressor), I know the difference, and I already checked the law, no threaded barrels of any type allowed nor are any brakes or suppressors not threaded, bolted or welded on except on pre-ban rifles. The laws in how they are written now (supposed to be in "plain English" now too,... plain for whom?????) are more confusing than electricity to an Amish electrician (don't ask, LOL!). What I mean is, in one sentence, the law says one thing, but in another sentence, it says the exact opposite. Go figure. Wanna get really messed up on NY (state, not city) gun laws? Look up the section titled "Miscellaneous" and enjoy the ride. Makes for some pretty confusing reading. I personally think nuclear physics is easier to understand! Anyway, thanks for the replies.