Springfield XD

Hoop · August 1, 2002, 09:26 PM

Springfield XD. What is the story on these guns? Are they available yet? I had a dealer tell me he checked recently and they aren't available for sale yet.

Anyone own one or have any other knowledge?

railroader · August 1, 2002, 09:35 PM

Very good gun. They have been available for awhile. Here's the forum: http://www.hs2000talk.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi

George Hill · August 1, 2002, 10:15 PM

Your dealer said they are not available yet?

Find a new dealer. What a git.

WSH-SA · August 1, 2002, 10:31 PM

Very good gun. I have the HS2000 which is what it was called before Springfield picked it up. They are made in Croatia. I really have enjoyed mine. One of my favorite guns to shoot. Pretty accurate and I like the grip safety. Had mine about a year I guess and have put maybe 1500-2000 rounds through it without a problem. It pretty much shoots whatever I feed it. I have the 9mm version and I have seen the .40 cal. version at local gunshows. Price went up a bit since Springfield started marketing it think they are running about $400 here in San Antonio. I have seen a lot of the Springfield XD version around so they should be easily available. Hope this helps.

Hoop · August 1, 2002, 10:38 PM

What kind of action are they? Is it somewhat of a Glock clone?

rogerdodger · August 1, 2002, 11:02 PM

nothing like a Glock

hansolo · August 1, 2002, 11:48 PM

Welcome to TFL! This Springfield XD is the first "plastic" handgun that I am going to buy. The police and military don't take-on a "new" duty weapon until they've put it through more [color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color] than we can even imagine! I've handled and fired an XD in 9mm: To me, it is a completely different animal than the Glock or any other polymer semi-auto. 1911-type grip safety, deeply-indented for in-line-with-bore grip; built like an Israeli Tank and, to me, good looking in a kind of brutish sense. I think it will be around a long time.

rogerdodger · August 1, 2002, 11:57 PM

i have (4) HS2000's , aG1 & G3 which i carry everyday, and 2 brand new G2's in the safe that i will shoot someday. I have over
12000rds thru my G1 and 8000 thru my G3. the gun absolutely fits like a glove and neither have had so much as a hiccup. Even though its one of the safest guns out there alot of Depts wont use them cause they are a true single action gun unlike a Glock.
As far as polymer guns go ,their isnt a better one

Cant wait for the XD .357sig i ordered

**Mike Irwin** · August 2, 2002, 12:03 AM

Is it my imagination, or did the price IMMEDIATELY rise $150 per gun the second that Springfield slapped their name on it?

rogerdodger · August 2, 2002, 12:06 AM

yup, but its still worth it' for those lucky enough to find the HS2000 when it was $250 IT WAS A STEAL

bad_dad_brad · August 2, 2002, 12:11 AM

They are available. I have seen them in 9mm and .40S&W at several dealers. Seem to be good guns, but I don't see what advantage they have over Glocks except for a slightly cheaper price. I hate grip safeties. Triggers are excellent.

blades67 · August 2, 2002, 12:45 AM

Hoop - The dealer you spoke to is suffering from a terminal case of cranial-anal-inversion. They have been on dealers shelves in my area for a few months now. I was in a shop today that had an XD for 469$ and a used HS2000 for 426$!

This place also has almost everything marked at MSRP.:barf:

Tamara · August 2, 2002, 12:56 AM

Quote:

Is it my imagination, or did the price IMMEDIATELY rise $150 per gun the second that Springfield slapped their name on it?

Well, I'm guessing that's due to two factors. First, I think the original price was obviously a "special-introductory-exposure-through-market-saturation" price; kinda like the days when a Glock cost the same as a P-series Ruger. Second (and more significant, probably), Springfield is doing some things the previous importers didn't do; things that cost money; like actually running an advertising campaign for the gun, f'r'instance.

juliet charley · August 2, 2002, 06:58 AM

Don't forget, the original importers didn't make enough money to stay in business (or at least to be profitable). You'd think some people expect Springfield to subsidize their purchase.

Hoop · August 2, 2002, 08:58 AM

From another post, I take it that these are SA only? That would be fine with me as this would be a range gun only (no carry or home defense).

Also, it is my understanding that an XD9 is the 9mm and XD40 is .40 caliber, even though they all have model numbers the look like XD9xxx. Correct?

Jhp147 · August 2, 2002, 09:16 AM

I'm watching this gun pretty closely. Never shot one, but the comments on the 'net have all been positive. I read an article by Chuck Taylor and looked at the info on his web site. He wrung the Glock 17 out pretty well for years, and I'm (reading between the lines here) thinking the same will happen to an XD in his hands. I know what we all think about what gunwriters say in print and gunrag infomercials, but when the guy follows up with a post on his web site like this, it makes it worth noting. The XD may just out-Glock the Glock due to a couple of features, such as (I hear) a better trigger and the grip safety, which will appeal to a certain buying segment (maybe even police administrators).
You might try a search, I think that others have asked the question before...and look at Mr. Taylor's review:
http://www.chucktaylorasaa.com/SpringfieldXD9.html

juliet charley · August 2, 2002, 12:41 PM

Far better trigger than a Glock and better ergonomics ("fit") as well.

hksigwalther · August 2, 2002, 12:53 PM

I finally had the opportunity to dry fire an XD (with approval from the dealer of course) recently.

What juliet charley says is so true IMO, particularly the trigger.

J.R. Bob Dobbs · August 2, 2002, 01:51 PM

I've considered buying one, and have done alot of Net reading about them. There have been some guns that develop extraction problems with use, corrected by extractor and spring replacement IIRC. Otherwise, they seem to enjoy a stellar reputation.

Brad Johnson · August 2, 2002, 02:50 PM

I've put some 5500 rounds through my XD9. I had the extractor replaced under warranty at 3000 rounds (a known problem which Springfield has identified and corrected). Other than the extraction issue (which has not reoccured since the repair), I've had exactly ZERO other malfunctions.

I've found that the XD points better for me than my previous favorite - a heavily tricked-out Glock 17 - and is just as accurate without the expense of aftermarket accurizing mods. Unlike the Glock trigger which maintains significant pressure all the way through it's total travel, the first 2/3 of the trigger travel on the XD serves only to move the firing pin block out of the way and takes very little pressure. The two-stage effect makes for a solid, positive tactile feel that I have come to really like.

The simple single-action type sear block and striker firing mechanism is better-than-average right from the factory. I had the mating surfaces on mine lightly polished, and the resulting trigger pull is buttery smooth and feels much lighter than it actually is.

All in all, I can easily recommend getting and XD. It's a solid and reliable performer with a real-world price of $400-450 that's a relative bargain in a world of $600+ service guns.

Brad

Catbird · August 2, 2002, 03:36 PM

By reading some of the above posts regarding prices, it shows me that you really have to shop around and do your homework.

Brand new XDs in both 9mm and .40 Auto sell for $370-385 at our local gunshows.

About 3 months ago, I bought a very slightly used (100 rounds) HS2000 with four magazines for $300; I wanted to find out for myself if these guns were any good or not.

I have over 35 handguns (Glocks, SIGs, HKs, Colts, Smiths, Kimber, Walthers, etc.)....this one's a "keeper".

Romadoc · August 2, 2002, 03:57 PM

It has become my IDPA gun. I find it just fits my small hand better than any Glock. I can hardly way for a smaller carry version. Incidentally, mine is a HS2000 9mm (NIB was $299+tax).

Jimmy Mac · August 2, 2002, 06:27 PM

I like these pistols. Everyone I know that owns one likes them.

I just don't see much future in law enforcement for these pistols.

I don't think very many PDs are going to let their officers carry a single action pistol with no manaul safety. They seem to shoot off important parts of their body very often with DAO pistols. They would be dangerous with a SA.

But then again I could be wrong. So many cops and their trainers don't know the difference between DA and SA.

WC15 · August 2, 2002, 06:56 PM

Jimmy Mac I am going to wager a bet here. 80% of LEO agencies use Glocks and they are single action with no manual safety. The XD has the trigger safety and the grip safety so the bases are covered. To top that off the Glock (not bashing here) promotes poor gun handling skill because you have to have your finger on the trigger to disengage the safety. As you may know that most cops are not gun people so they are not naturally safe with firearms, most of them.

Disclaimer
Not trying to bash Glocks just pointing out that the glock has a single action with a safety that is on the trigger. Safety rule #2 keep your finger off the trigger until you intend to fire. And from my experience most cops are not Gun people.

ScottFrench · August 2, 2002, 07:06 PM

Most people describe the Glock as a semi-DA not a SA. Keeping your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot applies to all guns not just the Glocks. Putting your finger on the trigger assumes you have acquired the target and are cognizant of the area behind the target too.

August 1, 2002, 09:26 PM	#1
Hoop Member Join Date: July 31, 2002 Location: Wichita, KS Posts: 16	Springfield XD Springfield XD. What is the story on these guns? Are they available yet? I had a dealer tell me he checked recently and they aren't available for sale yet. Anyone own one or have any other knowledge?

August 1, 2002, 10:15 PM	#3
George Hill Staff Alumnus Join Date: October 14, 1998 Location: North Carolina Posts: 11,546	Your dealer said they are not available yet? Find a new dealer. What a git. __________________ MAD OGRE

August 1, 2002, 11:48 PM	#7
hansolo Senior Member Join Date: June 30, 2002 Location: Desert Hot Springs, CA Posts: 503	HOOP/XD mil/police Welcome to TFL! This Springfield XD is the first "plastic" handgun that I am going to buy. The police and military don't take-on a "new" duty weapon until they've put it through more [color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color] than we can even imagine! I've handled and fired an XD in 9mm: To me, it is a completely different animal than the Glock or any other polymer semi-auto. 1911-type grip safety, deeply-indented for in-line-with-bore grip; built like an Israeli Tank and, to me, good looking in a kind of brutish sense. I think it will be around a long time.

August 2, 2002, 12:03 AM	#9
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 14, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,642	Is it my imagination, or did the price IMMEDIATELY rise $150 per gun the second that Springfield slapped their name on it? __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

August 2, 2002, 09:16 AM	#16
Jhp147 Senior Member Join Date: November 27, 1999 Location: Texas Posts: 597	XD9 I'm watching this gun pretty closely. Never shot one, but the comments on the 'net have all been positive. I read an article by Chuck Taylor and looked at the info on his web site. He wrung the Glock 17 out pretty well for years, and I'm (reading between the lines here) thinking the same will happen to an XD in his hands. I know what we all think about what gunwriters say in print and gunrag infomercials, but when the guy follows up with a post on his web site like this, it makes it worth noting. The XD may just out-Glock the Glock due to a couple of features, such as (I hear) a better trigger and the grip safety, which will appeal to a certain buying segment (maybe even police administrators). You might try a search, I think that others have asked the question before...and look at Mr. Taylor's review: http://www.chucktaylorasaa.com/SpringfieldXD9.html

August 1, 2002, 09:35 PM	#2
railroader Senior Member Join Date: February 8, 2000 Location: Tucson Arizona Posts: 1,756	Very good gun. They have been available for awhile. Here's the forum: http://www.hs2000talk.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi

August 1, 2002, 10:31 PM	#4
WSH-SA Member Join Date: January 27, 2001 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 39	Very good gun. I have the HS2000 which is what it was called before Springfield picked it up. They are made in Croatia. I really have enjoyed mine. One of my favorite guns to shoot. Pretty accurate and I like the grip safety. Had mine about a year I guess and have put maybe 1500-2000 rounds through it without a problem. It pretty much shoots whatever I feed it. I have the 9mm version and I have seen the .40 cal. version at local gunshows. Price went up a bit since Springfield started marketing it think they are running about $400 here in San Antonio. I have seen a lot of the Springfield XD version around so they should be easily available. Hope this helps.

August 1, 2002, 10:38 PM	#5
Hoop Member Join Date: July 31, 2002 Location: Wichita, KS Posts: 16	What kind of action are they? Is it somewhat of a Glock clone?

August 1, 2002, 11:02 PM	#6
rogerdodger Member Join Date: July 7, 2001 Location: Ny Posts: 87	nothing like a Glock

August 1, 2002, 11:57 PM	#8
rogerdodger Member Join Date: July 7, 2001 Location: Ny Posts: 87	i have (4) HS2000's , aG1 & G3 which i carry everyday, and 2 brand new G2's in the safe that i will shoot someday. I have over 12000rds thru my G1 and 8000 thru my G3. the gun absolutely fits like a glove and neither have had so much as a hiccup. Even though its one of the safest guns out there alot of Depts wont use them cause they are a true single action gun unlike a Glock. As far as polymer guns go ,their isnt a better one Cant wait for the XD .357sig i ordered

August 2, 2002, 12:06 AM	#10
rogerdodger Member Join Date: July 7, 2001 Location: Ny Posts: 87	yup, but its still worth it' for those lucky enough to find the HS2000 when it was $250 IT WAS A STEAL

August 2, 2002, 12:11 AM	#11
bad_dad_brad Senior Member Join Date: April 9, 2000 Posts: 866	They are available. I have seen them in 9mm and .40S&W at several dealers. Seem to be good guns, but I don't see what advantage they have over Glocks except for a slightly cheaper price. I hate grip safeties. Triggers are excellent.

August 2, 2002, 12:45 AM	#12
blades67 Senior Member Join Date: April 23, 1999 Location: Chandler, Arizona, USA Posts: 6,014	Hoop - The dealer you spoke to is suffering from a terminal case of cranial-anal-inversion. They have been on dealers shelves in my area for a few months now. I was in a shop today that had an XD for 469$ and a used HS2000 for 426$! This place also has almost everything marked at MSRP.:barf:

August 2, 2002, 06:58 AM	#14
juliet charley Senior Member Join Date: November 11, 1999 Posts: 2,501	Don't forget, the original importers didn't make enough money to stay in business (or at least to be profitable). You'd think some people expect Springfield to subsidize their purchase.

August 2, 2002, 08:58 AM	#15
Hoop Member Join Date: July 31, 2002 Location: Wichita, KS Posts: 16	From another post, I take it that these are SA only? That would be fine with me as this would be a range gun only (no carry or home defense). Also, it is my understanding that an XD9 is the 9mm and XD40 is .40 caliber, even though they all have model numbers the look like XD9xxx. Correct?

August 2, 2002, 12:41 PM	#17
juliet charley Senior Member Join Date: November 11, 1999 Posts: 2,501	Far better trigger than a Glock and better ergonomics ("fit") as well.

August 2, 2002, 12:53 PM	#18
hksigwalther Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 1998 Location: NE OH, USA Posts: 3,198	I finally had the opportunity to dry fire an XD (with approval from the dealer of course) recently. What juliet charley says is so true IMO, particularly the trigger.

August 2, 2002, 01:51 PM	#19
J.R. Bob Dobbs Senior Member Join Date: April 11, 2002 Location: Atlanta Posts: 221	I've considered buying one, and have done alot of Net reading about them. There have been some guns that develop extraction problems with use, corrected by extractor and spring replacement IIRC. Otherwise, they seem to enjoy a stellar reputation.

August 2, 2002, 02:50 PM	#20
Brad Johnson Senior Member Join Date: July 17, 2002 Location: Lubbock, TX Posts: 119	5500 rounds and counting... I've put some 5500 rounds through my XD9. I had the extractor replaced under warranty at 3000 rounds (a known problem which Springfield has identified and corrected). Other than the extraction issue (which has not reoccured since the repair), I've had exactly ZERO other malfunctions. I've found that the XD points better for me than my previous favorite - a heavily tricked-out Glock 17 - and is just as accurate without the expense of aftermarket accurizing mods. Unlike the Glock trigger which maintains significant pressure all the way through it's total travel, the first 2/3 of the trigger travel on the XD serves only to move the firing pin block out of the way and takes very little pressure. The two-stage effect makes for a solid, positive tactile feel that I have come to really like. The simple single-action type sear block and striker firing mechanism is better-than-average right from the factory. I had the mating surfaces on mine lightly polished, and the resulting trigger pull is buttery smooth and feels much lighter than it actually is. All in all, I can easily recommend getting and XD. It's a solid and reliable performer with a real-world price of $400-450 that's a relative bargain in a world of $600+ service guns. Brad

August 2, 2002, 03:36 PM	#21
Catbird Senior Member Join Date: July 17, 2001 Location: V I R G I N I A Posts: 318	By reading some of the above posts regarding prices, it shows me that you really have to shop around and do your homework. Brand new XDs in both 9mm and .40 Auto sell for $370-385 at our local gunshows. About 3 months ago, I bought a very slightly used (100 rounds) HS2000 with four magazines for $300; I wanted to find out for myself if these guns were any good or not. I have over 35 handguns (Glocks, SIGs, HKs, Colts, Smiths, Kimber, Walthers, etc.)....this one's a "keeper".

August 2, 2002, 03:57 PM	#22
Romadoc Member Join Date: October 30, 2000 Posts: 16	It has become my IDPA gun. I find it just fits my small hand better than any Glock. I can hardly way for a smaller carry version. Incidentally, mine is a HS2000 9mm (NIB was $299+tax).

August 2, 2002, 06:27 PM	#23
Jimmy Mac Senior Member Join Date: June 30, 2002 Posts: 688	I like these pistols. Everyone I know that owns one likes them. I just don't see much future in law enforcement for these pistols. I don't think very many PDs are going to let their officers carry a single action pistol with no manaul safety. They seem to shoot off important parts of their body very often with DAO pistols. They would be dangerous with a SA. But then again I could be wrong. So many cops and their trainers don't know the difference between DA and SA.

August 2, 2002, 06:56 PM	#24
WC15 Senior Member Join Date: June 20, 2002 Location: Spokane Wa. Posts: 102	Jimmy Mac I am going to wager a bet here. 80% of LEO agencies use Glocks and they are single action with no manual safety. The XD has the trigger safety and the grip safety so the bases are covered. To top that off the Glock (not bashing here) promotes poor gun handling skill because you have to have your finger on the trigger to disengage the safety. As you may know that most cops are not gun people so they are not naturally safe with firearms, most of them. Disclaimer Not trying to bash Glocks just pointing out that the glock has a single action with a safety that is on the trigger. Safety rule #2 keep your finger off the trigger until you intend to fire. And from my experience most cops are not Gun people.

August 2, 2002, 07:06 PM	#25
ScottFrench Senior Member Join Date: March 1, 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 121	WC15... Most people describe the Glock as a semi-DA not a SA. Keeping your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot applies to all guns not just the Glocks. Putting your finger on the trigger assumes you have acquired the target and are cognizant of the area behind the target too.