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Join Date: October 14, 1998
Location: North Carolina
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Jeff Cooper - respected Gunner's Guru created a new rifle type. The infamous SCOUT RIFLE. He built one in a Heavy Caliber and christened it the LION SCOUT.
Well - not to be out done - even by a legend - Kodiac's gears grinded, with the help of another forum member (who will remain nameless - unless he wants to claim his share of responsability for this cheeky idea). we/I (don't leave me hanging, dude) came up with a rifle for those of us who may not get the chance to safari in Africa to stalk killer Lions. Here in the states - we have plenty of rodents. (I needed an Rodent name that started with an L guys - Lemming was the first to come to mind... I know there are no Lemmings here!) You want to build your Mighty Lemming Scout out of a nice, light, handy, and trusty .22LR Bolt Action rifle. Select your optic of choice and mount it forward of the action in true Cooper-like fashion. Well... Uh - thats pretty much it... Oh - The Sling! To have a TRUE Mighty Lemming Scout - and not an imposter... You need a Brown Leather Sling. This handy rifle can travel the length of the lower 48 states (except Texas - where they do not tolerate Smart Asses) and hunt rodents of all types - Squirls and Rats, Rabbits and Bats (Needed a rhyme there - hey - a bat is just a Mouse with wings that uses Sonar... Dont give me that Chirpotera-Biology-crap - Clips its wings and call it Mickey) the Mighty Lemming Scout is perfect. Next month Jon Sundra will review this innovative new rifle concept in just about every magazine on the rack. I am kidding Jon - just pokin fun at ya... After that I am A Worm article your fair game. ------------------ "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." - Sigmund Freud RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE [This message has been edited by George Hill (edited October 30, 1999).] |
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Join Date: October 14, 1999
Location: Columbia, Md, USA
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Sounds like a neat toy,George,mayhap a 22 Mag would work better on large Rodenta like 'Chucks.
Of course, the kind of folks that turned IPSC into a competition instead of real world training will go for fluted bbls, match chambers,hi cap mags, and so on, But, there's still a place for the piece in our hearts and hands(G)... |
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Join Date: October 14, 1998
Location: North Carolina
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NO, no gimics... Those RACE SCOUTS are not the same critter.
.22 Magnum however will be a factory option... ![]() ------------------ "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." - Sigmund Freud RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE |
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#4 |
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Join Date: October 6, 1999
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Good one George...
"...The Lemming Scout, a general all purpose rifle is a conveniently portable, individually operated firearm capable of striking a single decisive blow on a target of up to 2 kilos in weight at any distance at which the operator thinks he can shoot..." "...suitable actions at this time include the Kimber 82, the Anschutz 54/1700, and possibily the Finnfire. Action should be exorbitantly expensive to keep Lemming Scouts out of the hands of those 'who just don't get it'..." "...the barrel shall be single broach cut rifled air guage heavy match stainless steel double stress relieved, cryo'd and fluted barrel with 8 concentrical flutes of .2500... the weight and length of which shall not exceed a crochet needle..." "... wooden stocks are in their closing period that is why we must use a synthetic stock like Kevlar. The Kevlar for a Lemming Scout must be harvested from the sacred Kevlar Goats indigenous to high mountain terrain. These goats served Theodore Roosevelt well during his long African campaigns..." "...once per year, all Lemming Scout disciples must gather atop a high mountain cliff 'The Big L Ranch' with their Lemming Scout rifles in hand, crowd tightly together, and peer intensely into the chasm..." ![]() |
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#5 |
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Join Date: April 16, 1999
Location: Nashville, TN
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I went the other way I made a "BULL CHIPMONK"
scout. Take one Ruger 77-22, A Voquartsen Bull Barrel, Custom scope mount. Cut the Barel to 16 1/16 inches.Drill and tap for weaver mount in front of the receiver. Mount a TC lighted reticle scope. This is the best rig I have come up with for early season squirrels yet. I might change the rifle to a .22 short. I guess I could call it a "Bull terrier scout". Cheers, ts |
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#6 |
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Join Date: September 17, 1999
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Texas doesn't tolerate smartasses. Since when?
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#7 |
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Join Date: November 5, 1998
Posts: 268
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Shoot!!!!! Thought I had beat you to it but my small scout rifle is a Winchester M9422M in .22 magnum. Plus there is no brown sling and the stock is made of wood. Therefor it is not a TRUE Mighty Lemming Scout and doesn't have all the features that must be present and working in unison to give the magical effect that only those who have spent time in the field with a true Mighty Lemming Scout can appreciate.
Great idea! What is it they say about idle minds? (grin) |
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Join Date: May 31, 1999
Location: N. Texas
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Actually, the Scout concept on a smaller scale would work pretty darn well for squirrels, rabbits, rats, cats... The same concept holds well. I like it.
*** Um, George, if Texas doesn't abide smartasses, can you put me and Dennis up for a couple of nights, just till we each can find new places to reside? ![]() [This message has been edited by Long Path (edited October 31, 1999).] |
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#9 |
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Join Date: October 10, 1998
Location: Ohio USA
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Lemming Lever Scout=Winchester 9422 Trapper!
All kidding aside, I have heard a lot of good things about the CZ .22's, and if you are serious about the idea, they could be a decent option. ------------------ CCW for Ohio action site. http://www.ofcc.net Do what you C.A.N. http://thematrix.acmecity.com/digital/237/can.html [This message has been edited by Hal (edited October 31, 1999).] |
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Join Date: February 12, 1999
Location: Oklahoma City, OK, USA
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I too think .22 Mag would be best. The Lemming designation serves more than just the alliteration following Lion. It also points to the (now) self-fulfilling phrophesy of lemming-like actions in making scout copies- perhaps you meant that, too.
How about the "Competition Scout", a HB Dakota in .300 Dakota or perhaps a 6mmPPC fluted-barrel Sako, for day-long excursions to the benchrest range. Be sure to visit the lively contemporaneous thread on my scope-less "Backpack Survival Scout" - so far nuttin' but stellar reviews! |
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Join Date: October 21, 1998
Location: San Antonio, Texas, USA
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For those with eagle eyes the scope can be ommited and just pick up one of those romanian '1969' training rifles with "Express sights".
No I am not kidding I have one and they are flipdown Express sights on it and they work just great. ( comes with a "synthtic leather sling" feels like an part of an old tire ![]() |
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#12 |
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Join Date: October 14, 1998
Location: North Carolina
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I got caught - the Lemming name did have a double meaning...
Yes the concept would actually be great medicine for rodentia. I would probably prefer my "MLS" to be built on a 10/22 type action. Smartasses in Texas are not tolerated. In Texas - it is preffered to be a Jack Ass. ![]() Hey - I grew up in Plano - I can say that... ------------------ "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." - Sigmund Freud RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE [This message has been edited by George Hill (edited November 02, 1999).] |
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Join Date: June 1, 1999
Location: Exiled, Fetid Swamp, DC
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maybe the lemming AR-7 survial scout could be built for repelling the y2k rodent hoards!
AR-7 with a foreward mounted red dot dZ |
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Join Date: May 20, 1999
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Leave us not forget the quintessential British No. 5 Enfield Jungle Carbine converted to 22 Rimfire as an alternative Lemming Scout!
FOMCCAGFA!! ![]() ------------------ We don't have a chaplain here, but I don't view that as any major problem... You can rest assured that you will not go in that bag until I've said a few appropriate words over you R. Lee Ermy as Sgt Major Haffner, from The Siege of Firebase Gloria |
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#15 |
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Join Date: October 14, 1998
Location: North Carolina
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It would seem that Steyr liked my Mighty Lemming Scout idea!
While at the SHOT SHOW I examined a Steyr Scout rifle in .223 caliber. Did I ever mention that before? Anyways, I just thought I would bring up the topic in a related thread instead of opeing a new thread. Steyr had to have ripped off my MLS concept because I cant see why they would want to have made one in the first place. Who would pay that much for a 2 MOA bolt action .223 rifle? You could take that kinda money and get a more conventional rifle that will do sub MOA all day long and get some nice customizations out of it as well! ------------------ I mean, if I went around saying I was an Emperor because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, people would put me away! |
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#16 |
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Join Date: February 15, 1999
Location: PA
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Harumph!!!! Being a lemming myself I take great offense to this thread! How dare you malign and otherwise poke fun at the enlightened. Heathens, goblins, non-believers!!!!
Awe hell, strike that last paragraph. I don't know how I missed this thread originally but I damn near spit ou my coffee laughing! I do have a (psuedo)scout en route. Your idea does have some merit though. It would be pure poison in the squirrel woods. |
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Join Date: August 30, 1999
Location: GucciBaggerLand
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Love the idea of the Lemming Scout. Personally, I like to observe to the Scout Rifle enthusiasts that I own 8 scout's rifles (with a lower case, giving the good colonel credit for his named concept piece) and drag out a variety of Mannlicher-Schoenauer carbines and Winchester and Marlin lever guns (mostly with apertures on the levers and low end power scopes on the Mannlichers in the old G&H sidemounts). Perhaps not terribly clever, but it amuses me.
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Join Date: October 14, 1998
Location: Arizona.
Posts: 853
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I just finished building an ugly little rifle I called the "ugly gun".
The paint job on the composite stock was supposed to be OD, but it came out sort of a shiney puke green color. Everyone that saw it said, "Eeewww". I think that the can of paint was mislabeled. I was too lazy to reshoot it. It was a .223 on a Mini Mauser action, in an ultralight composite stock. Shot 3/4 minute @ 100 yards with the 16 1/4" barrel using PMP factory ammo. Not really a Scout type, but it weighed in at six pounds, six ounces with the scope on it. I considered it underpowered for Arizona Lemmings, and traded it off for a minty 1903 Springfield sporter in 30-06. The 30-06 is ideal for our smaller varmints, and adequate for the midsized ones. |
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Join Date: March 11, 1999
Location: The Sunny South
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I shore do hope Col. Cooper don't drop by here from time to time! Ma Duces work great on ground squirrels but trying to mount a scope that would work on that barrel would be a job. Might not make weight either. I do know that it will kill a squirrel however!
Hank |
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#20 |
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Join Date: July 1, 1999
Posts: 2,104
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Of course the Lemming Scout discussion wouldn't be complete without someone suggesting that they could use a semiauto for a Lemming Scout and someone else saying that it wouldn't be a REAL Scout in that case...
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Join Date: November 24, 1999
Posts: 195
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George, if Texans dont tolerate having smartasses coming down, it must be because we don't like the competition.
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Join Date: February 12, 1999
Location: Oklahoma City, OK, USA
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George, you can't just sit there and take this ripoff of your idea. Go in and confront those Steyr executives, just like the immortal Cosmo Kramer did when Calvin Klein ripped of his "Beach" cologne idea! But your idea was .22lr, though.
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#23 |
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Join Date: January 5, 2000
Posts: 70
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Being that it would be a scout/utility style rifle, why not make it a true utility TOOL!
...Crown the muzzle deep enough to hold a masonary nail, get some nail gun loads at the hardware store, go down to your basement and start putting in some floor plates for the walls of your new GUN ROOM!- When your done, go shoot some dinner ![]() |
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Join Date: October 14, 1998
Location: North Carolina
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CRITICAL UPDATE!
The Mighty Lemming Scout project as some exciting new additional features! In between the folding legs of the built in bipod, we have some new and usefull tools. A folding saw blade. A folding Drop Point blade. Cork Screw Wire Cutters Personal Data Assistant running WINCE OS Scissors A compass First Aid Kit (Located in the stock next to the cleaning kit A magnifying glass and lasty, TWEEZERS! Everything a true Scout needs in one handy general purpose small caliber rifle.
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#25 |
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Join Date: January 7, 2000
Location: Idaho
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George, that
"Personal Data Assistant running WINCE OS" Needs to be running my patented LEMMING software. That's Low Energy Multi- Manufacturer Impact Notation Graph It contains graphed ballistic tables for all 1,207 commercially available .22LR loads. $49.95. Pre-orders accepted now. Once I get 100,000 advance orders, I can quit my day job and write it. Everyone will want it. You just enter the distance to the target and the brand of ammo you're using, and it will give you hold-over data (necessary given .22lr trajectories). For only $129.95 you can get the optional Interface kit which will interface with the new laser-rangefinder and the electrically-actuated-reticle scout scope which Steyr will someday build. Then you just set your ammo brand at the beginning of the hunt, set the laser rangefinder on the squirrel, and the scope will adjust the crosshairs to POI. All the "cool" shooters will be using it. 12vbattery not included. |
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