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Old November 26, 2013, 02:06 PM   #1
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22 cal pellet rifle ?

I am looking to buy a 22 cal pellet rifle and need recommendations from you guys that have one. I have been looking at the Crosman Nitro Venom Dusk Break Barrel Air Rifle (.22) powered by Nitro Piston. Does anyone have one with first hand experience ? Or is there other ones that are better ?
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Old November 26, 2013, 05:40 PM   #2
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Beeman R-9.
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Old November 26, 2013, 05:44 PM   #3
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I picked up a Benjamin Sheridan Blue Streak in the early 1990s in 20 cal. It's a pump piston, 8 pumps max. I put a peep sight on it, remarkably accurate with a good kill range on small critters. I've taken more than 1000 ground squirrels with it, no exageration, and my brother can claim a couple of his neighbors cats. The blueing wore off from handling so much but it is still very powerful after all these years. I thought the 20 cal was a good compromise between velocity and frontal area. Good luck with your quest.
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Old November 27, 2013, 12:32 AM   #4
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My buddy has a Beeman R1 22 cal. It shoots through a 55 gal steel drum! And it is accurate.
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Old November 27, 2013, 07:31 AM   #5
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I picked up a Benjamin Sheridan Blue Streak in the early 1990s in 20 cal
I picked up my Blue Streak in the late 1960's.
Come December 24th this year, I'll have had mine 46 years.
8 pumps will still put a 5mm (20cal) pellet through a 3/4" thick pine board.
Good guns.
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Old November 27, 2013, 08:49 AM   #6
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I have a S&W 77 from the 70's. Beautiful 22cal with a lever like a #1 Ruger. Killed several armadillos each with one shot way back when!
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Old November 27, 2013, 09:50 AM   #7
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22 cal pellet rifle ?

RWS is one of your better ones. Real wood stock- two stage trigger - very a curate and around 1100fps. Diffidently go with a single pump also. I also have a Steoger that came with factory scope & suppressor that's not bad. Price range is around $200-300.
I recently saw a pellet rifle at Wally World that came with two barrels. 177 & 22 but know nothing about it.
Use good pellets and get a beemans cleaning kit.
Also if you like a scope, its better to get one with it. They are a little pricey and regular rifle scopes won't work or hold up. Because of the reversed recoil
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Old November 27, 2013, 12:43 PM   #8
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does anyone have this one, Crosman Nitro Venom Dusk Break Barrel Air Rifle (.22) powered by Nitro Piston. Price is 145.00 with scope
From what I have read I believe I want a piston one.
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Old November 27, 2013, 10:19 PM   #9
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I bought this last year, and I am very pleased with it:

http://www.crosman.com/airguns/rifle...arrel/BW8M22NP

It looks to be the same rifle with a different style stock. For the price, I think it is hard to beat. I haven't shot it a ton, but I find it to be plenty accurate with the scope mounted. Plenty powerful, too. I actually bought mine online as a "reconditioned" unit, and paid a little over $100 for it. I don't think you can go wrong for the money.
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Old November 27, 2013, 11:07 PM   #10
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I also have a Crosman Titan and would recommend it. Got a couple 1000 pellets through it and it shoots great.
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Old November 28, 2013, 12:43 AM   #11
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I've taken more than 1000 ground squirrels with it, no exageration, and my brother can claim a couple of his neighbors cats.
That's something to be proud of? That's just sick...
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Old November 28, 2013, 01:45 AM   #12
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I have a Benjamin Trail NP All Weather in 22. http://www.airgundepot.com/benjamin-...air-rifle.html My son has the same gun in 177. I am about to the quarter sized groups @ 30 yards, and working toward 40. My son has not had tge same experience. He suspects the CenterPoint scope that came with It. He replaced It with another scope he had on hand, and things improved. Not sure if It really was the scope, or maybe just the installation which was done over when he replaced It.
Keep in mine that air rifles are a whole differant animal than powder burners. A differant hold is necessary for best accuracy. http://www.pyramydair.com/article/Th...d_June_2009/63
Also It takes around 500 pellets down the tube before they really start to get dialed in. Pellets vairy widely in design, weight, and accuracy.The only criticism I, as well as many others have is the trigger. There is a very good aftermarket trigger available, and also a cheaper twenty five cent do-it-yourself trigger job to improve the factory trigger.
There are cheaper airguns, and much more exoensive ones, but for around double Benjamins I think these gas piston driven guns are quite good. But as with most air rifles they need a little tender loving care.
Here is a couple links to more information to help you.
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/...p?action=forum (the TFL of airguns!)
http://www.pyramydair.com/ (good company to but from, and great blog for information)
http://www.airgunweb.com/ (Rick Eutsler does an excellent job with youtube videos on this sire)
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Old November 28, 2013, 06:55 AM   #13
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flashole, *******, whatever, did you have the Balls to tell your neighbor what happened to his cats? I bet Not.
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Old November 28, 2013, 06:59 AM   #14
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which is a better system for accuracy, the nitro piston or spring piston ?
How does the 22 cal compare with the 177 cal ? Is one more accurate than the other or is one better than the other ?
Has anyone any recommendations on currently available air guns ?
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Old November 28, 2013, 08:17 AM   #15
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"flashole, *******, whatever, did you have the Balls to tell your neighbor what happened to his cats? I bet Not."

Never met the cat owner, I live in a different state. The cats kept using my brother's raised box vegetable garden for a bathroom. The neighbor was asked several times to keep their cats under control and my brother would put the cat chi+ in the center of his walkway leading to his front porch. Neighbor knew what happened and never really cared. Probably glad to have a chi+ free walkway. My only point was the pellet gun is strong enough to kill cat sized animals ... effectively.

I live in the country. If I see a cat it is a feral cat and I use much bigger guns than the pellet gun for dealing with the issue. Our small barn cats have had a few battles with the wild ones that like to steal their food. Ours always come up on the short end of the stick with torn ears and such.
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Old November 28, 2013, 08:52 AM   #16
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flashhole you need to protect your cats from the wild ones. Vet bills can get expensive.
I have a neighbor that has 4 cats and lets them run wild all the time. They tear up my garbage bags, crap in our flower beds etc. I caught two of them and dropped them off at the local SPCA and gave them the name and address of the owner. They had to pay to get them back. Now they keep them in their house.
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Old November 28, 2013, 10:09 AM   #17
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RWS 350 Magnum .22. Break barrel spring powered. Shoots great, hits hard and is very accurate. I use it for squirrel hunting. Shot a coon that my Lab had cornered in the garage. Two shots in the head, first one put him down, second one ended it. I use RWS SuperPoint pellets.
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Old November 28, 2013, 11:30 AM   #18
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which is a better system for accuracy, the nitro piston or spring piston ? How does the 22 cal compare with the 177 cal ? Is one more accurate than the other or is one better than the other ? Has anyone any recommendations on currently available air guns ?
Both break barrel types are piston driven. The differance is the nitro piston compresses the piston against a cylinder of nitrogen gas, while the springers use a spring. The gas piston guns are a bit quieter, and the recoil (effects accuracy, not pain) is differant.
While neither should be left cocked for extended periods of time, It is less crucial with a NP. As far as accuracy there are many more factors to consider.
Of course the absolute top is the PCP guns. Pre Charged Pneumatic. Where you charge a cylinder on the gun from an air pump, compressor, or scuba style tank. But for near perfection you get much higher cost. The guns can run from over $300 to over a grand. Charging pumps are a couple hundred, fiberglass charging tanks double that or more, and have to be charged at a scuba shop, or with a compressor that can set you back more than a grand Great system, and guns, but way out of my price range.
177 vs 22 isn't as much an accuracy question as It is a power level question. Just like in powder burners, smaller, lighter, faster vs bigger, heavier, slower. One rule of thumb often mentioned is "177 for feathers, 22 for fur".
One reason I chose the Benji is the welded on integral scope rail isn't prone to shake loose like screw mounted bases. Either gas, or spring, piston driven air guns have a unique, and in some ways more violent recoil signature than powder burners.
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Old November 28, 2013, 06:25 PM   #19
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Cheapshooter brings up an interesting point about recoil. Springers recoil in both directions. Both forward and back. The nature of this recoil will damage scopes that aren't made to handle it. Also the hold you use on a springer is important, less is more in this case. Gripping the gun to firmly will cause the recoil and vibrations in the gun to disrupt accuracy. Hold it loose with your trigger hand and support it with the back of your off hand or use just a couple of fingers under it.
Pyramyd Air has some great articles on correct hold etc of springers.
I don't know that a nitro piston is any more accurate than a spring. I will say this- my RWS springer was $400, a friend of mine has a .22 springer that came with a scope for $180. These two guns are worlds apart in fit, finish and overall quality.
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Old November 28, 2013, 06:39 PM   #20
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Cheapshooter brings up an interesting point about recoil.
I don't know that a nitro piston is any more accurate than a spring. I will say this- my RWS springer was $400, a friend of mine has a .22 springer that came with a scope for $180. These two guns are worlds apart in fit, finish and overall quality.
It took me awhile to figure out the differences in recoil. I didn't understand how a scope off of a 30-30 could be damaged by a little air rifle. But this is true. I actually prefer open sights anyway though.
I've been very satisfied with my RWS with performance , fit & finish. I wouldn't trade it for most 22 rim fires. The cleaning kit from beemans has three types of oil included along with felt cleaning pellets. If you get the spring oil mixed up with the chamber oil it's as loud as a rim fire from the explosion in the chamber. This could also damage the gun. Im not familiar with the nitro piston, but accuracy is excellent with the RWS spring system. Mine is 20 years old with no problems at all
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Old December 1, 2013, 02:03 AM   #21
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Lots of good recommendations here.

Higher in price range would be Benjamin Trail NP XL, quite powerful.

RWS 350 Magnum (w/ Striker Combo) from PyramydAir.

Now I seen a couple people recommend the Sheridan Blue Streak. It may not have the ease of use of a springer, nor is it even in the same ballpark as a PCP, but... That .20 caliber pellet...

The Blue Streak is powerful, and that .20 pellet delivers the best of both worlds between .177 and .22. It has the penetration and ballistic coeffiecient of a .177, along with the weight and knockdown power of a .22, and of course, it's a larger caliber than a .177, so you still have a slight increase in your margin of error. Even still, that should never be relied upon, as I'm sure you're aware of.

But to go back on topic, the Crosman Nitro Venom Dusk is good apparently. I mean, I've heard good things about it. Seems pretty powerful, uses a nitrogen piston, so it will be able to last longer and be more consistent than a spring-powered rifle.

I think overall, "pulling the trigger" on the Dusk wouldn't be a bad choice. It offers solid power in it's price range, not to mention using a nitro piston. Also, consider purchasing from PyramydAir. They have great service, good prices, and overall, they've been great for the 10 or so orders I've made from them, including a problem with a rifle. Replaced promptly.

That's my .02, I guess. Good luck on your quest. But if you want the cheap and easy way out, go for the Nitro Venom Dusk. I don't think you'll be disappointed.
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Old December 1, 2013, 03:43 AM   #22
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I have a Beeman r2 with the .22 and .177 barrels. It is the typical single shot break barrel and will push the .177 pellets well over 1000fps. I was able to hit many birds with it a few years ago (which was probably a bad idea- I just wanted to shoot anything that moved). It also has a ridiculously light trigger- lighter than any airsoft, pellet, or real gun I've shot since. I think I paid $200 for it when I was 14 or 15, and in retrospect it was a waste of money but back then it was pretty cool. I'd sell it if anyone is looking for a good deal, but I'm guessing the new ones probably exceed the old r2's capabilities.
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Old December 1, 2013, 05:35 AM   #23
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Thank you guys for all the replies, I appreciate it.
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Old December 1, 2013, 05:39 PM   #24
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After you choose your new air rifle, continue to do some research. The airgun spacific blogs, and forums can give you a world of insite.
One word of caution is about cleaning the bore. Don't! Well, not in the conventional manor of powder burners. Because there is no propellant burned, there is no carbon to clean. Because leading from the soft pellets is a good thing, It need not be scrubbed out. Actually using a metal brush of nt kind can adversly, and permanantly effect accuracy. The steel used in air rifle barrels is softer than that of powder burners, and the rifling is much showller. It is also a lot rougher, and tye leading tends to smothe it out, and make it consistant. This "seasoning" process is one of the readons for the 500 or so rounds before they really get dialed in. One common method to clean unwanted debris from the bore is to take a piece of Weed Eater line longer than the barrel length, make a point on one end, and heat the other so It can be flattened to hold a small patch after poking the pointed end through It. Push the pointed end down the barrel from the chamber, and pull the patch through. Lubricate according to the owners manual, and have fun.
I don't recall you saying why you are looking for an air rifle, but I can say they are great practice, and make busting a few nutters in the woods a challanging hunt.
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Old December 1, 2013, 06:07 PM   #25
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I want an air rifle because I can shoot it in my back yard without bothering the neighbors with gun shots. There is nothing but woods behind my house for about 4 miles and I only have two neighbors that are also shooters.
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