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A Repository of Reliable Sources & Citations
Spats McGee's Note: JimDandy started this thread to be a central repository for links to reliable sources for statistics, argument, articles,and the like. If you have links that you often use in looking up those kinds of things, and they are from reliable sources, post them here. Links that lead to unsupported, obviously ridiculous or otherwise "wildhair" claims will be unceremoniously deleted from this thread. My thanks to JimDandy for starting this thread.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- When you're making a point, and need to prove it. Origins of Crime Guns PBS article touting Straw Puchases, and Corrupt FFL's as primary sources, trickling down to then illegal marketplaces, thefts, and family/friends. Most common types of Crime Guns: DOJ Justice Programs study on what guns are commonly used in crime. FBI Uniform Crime Report with Census data for a per capita look at homicide by firearm, with comparisons for three most common restrictive firearms laws- AWB, May Issue and/or Carry Ban, and Permit to Purchase AKA FOID: 2010 UCR, Census and Wikiepedia Laws by state merged into one spreadsheet- with sources footnoted. Edit if others want to include more, and one of the experts wants to include a post with a quick run down of the Scrutiny available.. this is all stuff I've had to come back here and search in other posts for. Last edited by JimDandy; February 20, 2013 at 12:16 PM. |
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An infogram showing the money the Joyce Foundation receives and farms money out to various groups (thanks to Mack59):
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...lFundingR1.png OpenSecrets, a good site for checking who donates to a cause and who receives money from one: http://www.opensecrets.org/ PopVox, a site that aggregates information on proposed bills and presents it in a clear fashion: http://www.popvox.com/blog/2013/issu...irearms-113th/ Why the Gun Is Civilization, a very good essay from our own Marko Kloos: http://munchkinwrangler.wordpress.co...-civilization/ The Violence Policy Center memo in which they admit that they've lost the battle to ban handguns, and that they should invent and subsequently ban a new category of firearms called "assault weapons:" http://www.vpc.org/studies/awaconc.htm FBI Uniform Crime Statistics: http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/ucr Snopes. Yes, Snopes. It's a good tool for debunking some of the rumor-mongering out there: http://snopes.com/
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United States v. Miller, 307 U.S. 174 (1939) Gives us All Males capable of acting in concert for the common defense is the militia, and as they are expected to bring their own arms when called, those weapons protected are those in common use at the time.
District of Columbia v. Heller 554 U.S. 570 (2008) Which holds: RKBA is Individual and not Collective- AND - Protects arms in the common use for lawful purposes. McDonald v. Chicago, 561 U.S. 3025 (2010) Incorporates the Second Amendment to the States. The States may not infringe the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. Last edited by JimDandy; February 19, 2013 at 11:09 PM. |
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1. Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz, "Armed Resistance to Crime: The Prevalence and Nature of Self-Defense with a Gun", 86 Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology 1, 1995. Available at http://www.guncite.com/gcdgklec.html.
This is a well known study by Gary Kleck, Florida State University criminologist. 2. National Research Council (2004). Firearms and Violence: A Critical Review. Washington, D.C.: The National Academies Press. Available at http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10881&page=R1 A CNN article says about this literature review from the National Academy of Sciences, "Researchers could not identify a single [gun] regulation that reduced violent crime, suicide or accidents." http://articles.cnn.com/2011-01-18/o...?_s=PM:OPINION I don't pretend to have read, much less understand, all of the above.
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HAYNES v. UNITED STATES, 390 U.S. 85 (1968) -- A 1968 SCOTUS case holding that "a proper claim of the constitutional privilege against self-incrimination provides a full defense to prosecutions either for failure to register a firearm under [26 U.S.C.] 5841 or for possession of an unregistered firearm under [26 U.S.C.] 5851." In other words, prohibited persons in illegal possession of firearms cannot be convicted of failing to register firearms, or possession of unregistered firearms, where such is required, on the basis that requiring registration by those in illegal possession would violate such persons' Fifth Amendment rights.
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A gunfight is not the time to learn new skills. If you ever have a real need for more than a couple of magazines, your problem is not a shortage of magazines. It's a shortage of people on your side of the argument. -- Art Eatman Last edited by Spats McGee; February 22, 2013 at 04:35 PM. |
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FactCheck.org is a great, unbiased site that's currently giving a lot of attention to claims about guns, "statistics" about gun deaths, etc. Their home page has several relevant articles. In a box in the upper right corner, there's this, for example:
Ask FactCheckJust an excerpt from a longer, and very thorough, article. They also have have an entire section devoted to "Gun Rhetoric vs. Gun Facts." http://factcheck.org/2012/12/gun-rhetoric-vs-gun-facts/ They give both sides equal treatment, as far as I can tell.
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A Repository of Reliable Sources & Citations
So, after reading something similar in another blog and posting about this a couple times in some other threads, I figured I'd just throw this up with sources to quell some confusion about the DHS ammo buy recently.
Firstly, according to infowars.com the DHS has a contract for 1.4 billion rounds of ammo. Let me start by saying this is not true. The real excerpt from the synopsis states: Quote:
Let's pretend for a second that 1.4 billion is the real number and an ammo manufacturer might actually be able to meet their quota for the various calibers (.38, 9mm, .40s&w, .45acp, 5.56, and 7.62 according to the synopsis posted by infowars.com) desired by the DHS in a single year instantly (1.4 billion rounds divided by 5 years equals 280 million rounds a year). 280 million rounds a year is a lot of friggin' ammo, right? Wrong. The DHS has a little over 240k employees and of them, 130k tote around firearms. That comes out to a grand total of about 2150 per armed federal agent. Still think that's a lot? Well lets take a look at their training and testing regiment. Now, unfortunately, the FLETC official training site does not list the amount of ammunition they use for their classes, but most of them run between 3-7 days (for new guys, there are courses a few months long) with what seems to be a full days worth of work in every day. If we were to compare this to a civilian class where 1000 rounds for a 4 day class is common place, we begin to see something form: reason. If an employee went to train just twice a year, they would be running slim on ammo. Furthermore, this purchase is not inconsistent with the DHS contracts that we have seen in the past. Also, it is important to note that while FLETC is indeed a part of DHS, it does not only train DHS affiliates. It also trains state and local cops! I'll let you draw your own conclusions, but I figured you all might like to know the facts. Just a reminder, there is misinformation on all sides of a debate. Don't be a victim of assumption; research the facts for yourself. Sources: http://www.infowars.com/dhs-to-purch...ounds-of-ammo/ http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...rtage/1919321/ http://www.fletc.gov/training http://www.dhs.gov/
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I was thinking more about this today and decided to add onto it.
Many of you also know that the SSA (Social Security Administration) has bought 174k of hollow point ammunition. According to our good friends at infowars.com, that's enough to kill 174k Americans and hollow point rounds are not used for target practice. Unlike the DHS/FLETC ammo purchase, this actually was for physical product (i.e. not a contract). Unfortunately, the argument that they will be used to quell riots and / or combat American citizens in a post economic collapse aftermath degrades very quickly upon finding out that the agency has 295 gun carrying agents. Let's turn to the math corner again. 174,000 rounds divided by 295 agents equals about 590 rounds per agent. If you refer to my previous post, you see that this is a lot less than the amount of ammo to agent ratio I gave to the DHS. Now for the argument that hollow points aren't used for target practice. The 295 agents that the SSA employs actually do make arrests: 589 arrests in 2011. When they are out and about, they are carrying hollow point ammunition just like the police force. Also, after asking around a little, I discovered that both the DHS and SSA agents along with a few other federal agencies and police departments DO use hollow point ammunition for training and qualification. While it is not required to use hollow points by all agencies for target practice there is still a substantial amount of hollow points used in practice and qualification. In addition to that, the FLETC facility uses hollow point ammunition for training and qualifications done there. Sources: http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/04/us/soc...curity-bullets http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1854121.html http://ivn.us/2012/08/19/rand-paul-t...let-purchases/
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Here are some more good articles and studies. Some of them were referred to in other threads, and I tried to credit them appropriately when I could locate where they were. Some good stuff here.
http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?i...age/i/mode/1up THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS: REPORT OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON THE CONSTITUTION OF THE COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY, UNITED STATES SENATE, NINETY-SEVENTH CONGRESS, SECOND SESSION, FEBRUARY 1982 A copiously annotated legal history of the Second Amendment. ***** www.justice.gov/olc/secondamendment2.pdf WHETHER THE SECOND AMENDMENT SECURES AN INDIVIDUAL RIGHT The Second Amendment secures a right of individuals generally, not a right of States or a right restricted to persons serving in militias. MEMORANDUM OPINION FOR THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, August 24, 2004 Another well documented examination of the right codified by the S.A. ***** www.cato.org/guns-and-self-defense This provides reports of defensive gun uses across the US, or by state (via the available pull-down). It isn't comprehensive, but it is illustrative. ***** From “Very good article on AWB written by a Democrat!” , opened by stormin1155 thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=510420 kontradictions.wordpress.com/...-ill-tell-you/ Well written essay by a self-professed Democrat larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2012/12/20/an-opinion-on-gun-control/posted by Al Norris Well written essay by a well-respected firearms and tactics instructor www.samharris.org/blog/item/the-riddle-of-the-gunposted by Al Norris A “fairly well balanced” argument from a professed liberal. (And Al, he does actually mention the S.A., about 7 or 8 paragraphs from the end of the article. )****** www.nationalreview.com/articles/336637/cops-schools-eliana-johnson Article pointing out that some of the loudest Democratic critics of armed security in schools today were in fact for it when it was proposed by Clinton in 1995. ***** www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5214a2.htm The comprehensive literature review published by the CDC, October 3, 2003. “The Task Force found insufficient evidence to determine the effectiveness of any of the firearms laws or combinations of laws reviewed on violent outcomes. (Note that insufficient evidence to determine effectiveness should not be interpreted as evidence of ineffectiveness.)” ***** www.sas.upenn.edu/jerrylee/research/aw_final2004.pdf Updated Assessment of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban: Impacts on Gun Markets and Gun Violence, 1994-2003, Koper, et al, July 2004, DOJ The DOJ assesses the effect of the Clinton AWB. ***** www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf "Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide? A Review of International and Some Domestic Evidence" by Don Kates and Gary Mauser. Harvard J Law Public Policy 2003; 30:649-694. Harvard study that reveals there is no correlation between the numbers of firearms in a society and the violence in that society. ***** www.jpands.org/vol13no2/deakins.pdf “Guns, Truth, Medicine, and the Constitution” by Jacob Deakins, M.D. Good source for further reading, this article describes and debunks many gun-control arguments. ***** www.associatedgunclubs.org/legislative/general_interest/Homicide%20&%20Handguns%20USA-Canada%20-%20JHU%20Study.pdf “Homicide and the prevalence of handguns: Canada and the United States, 1976 to 1986”, Brandon Centerwall, American J Epidemiology1991;134: 1245-1260 Well regarded study that shows gun laws don’t decrease violence... Americans and Canadians kill each other at the same rate. Americans use guns more often, but Canadians make use of other, equally lethal weapons. “If you are surprised by our findings, so are we. We did not begin this research with any intent to “exonerate” handguns, but there it is—a negative finding, to be sure, but a negative finding is nevertheless a positive contribution. It directs us where not to aim our public health resources.” ***** Connecticut Law Review, Vol. 42, No. 2, pp. 515-584, December 2009 “Pretend 'Gun-Free' School Zones: A Deadly Legal Fiction”, David Kopel, Independence Institute; Denver University - Sturm College of Law, April 16, 2009 A well annotated article laying out a thorough refutation of arguments against campus carry, including a number of solid statistics that debunk the wild fantasies of the Brady Bunch, among others. A good read. |
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Just finished vetting links to this point. Lots of good stuff here, and I thank you all for your contributions.
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