Shooting at Oregon mall

SPEMack618 · December 11, 2012, 09:07 PM

A gunman opened fire at an Oregon mall. He has been "neutralized" by police.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/11...t-oregon-mall/

A terrible tragedy to be sure, further compounded by occuring on what began as a grat day for the shooting community.

**Glenn E. Meyer** · December 11, 2012, 09:15 PM

My old home town and I used to shop there with the wife and kid years ago. Let's not go off too much until we have details.

Oregon is a CCW state. I used to carry in that mall. But we don't need a bunch of what if's if we don't know the details yet.

Glenn

mehavey · December 11, 2012, 09:36 PM

Assault Rifle now in play:
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> "... black, bulletproof vest and carrying an assault rifle."
>
http://tinyurl.com/c5z4ovv

stand by.....

bfskinnerpunk · December 11, 2012, 09:42 PM

Oh man.... this is rough.

Hope everyone bought whatever "evil" firearm stuff they desired... prices are headed up, don't you think?

Glockstar .40 · December 11, 2012, 09:51 PM

I live just a few miles from there and shop there quite a bit. glad i wasnt there but def has me thinkin about as a ccw'er what i would have done if i was there!

**Glenn E. Meyer** · December 11, 2012, 09:54 PM

Oh - I said - can we skip the gratituous comments?

I'll close this if we go to how there will be a new AWB or I would do this or that.

Please take the hint. Let's discuss it if we have info and not speculation.

Thank you.

**Tom Servo** · December 11, 2012, 10:06 PM

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The person entered the mall through a Macy's store, ran through the upper level of Macy's and opened fire near the mall food court, firing multiple shots, one right after another, with what is believed to be a black, semiautomatic rifle, according to witness reports.

This is eerily similar to the Westroads Mall shooting in Nebraska a few years back.

SPEMack618 · December 11, 2012, 10:13 PM

I can't vouch for the validity of it, but Twitter is abuzz with speculation that the shooter was wearing a Guy Fawkes mask.

That scares me on a multitude of levels.

Along with the "reporting" of an "assualt rifle" being used along with "body armor" being worn. In addition to the camoflage clothing.

parrothead2581 · December 11, 2012, 10:14 PM

Prayers for the families.

**Glenn E. Meyer** · December 11, 2012, 10:14 PM

We don't know - I heard a Jason match on the tube.

We will see.

Glockstar .40 · December 11, 2012, 10:16 PM

people are reporting that the shooter kept saying "I am the shooter, I am the shooter" whats up with that? im guessing hes another wacko wanting to be famous. i personally think when shootings like this happen the media shouldnt release the name of the shooter.

Ridge_Runner_5 · December 11, 2012, 10:19 PM

He was shooting up the food court. There is a Century Theater attached to it.

Could possibly be a copycat?

**Glenn E. Meyer** · December 11, 2012, 10:26 PM

We really don't know much but I've read the literature on these folks, so here's some points that might play out.

1. There may be some underlying mental illness.
2. The shooter may be suicidial.
3. He is making a statement with his shooting.
4. It could be revenge for a slight, a conspiratorial fantasy or some other delusion.
5. He wants to die a warrior's death rather than an isolated suicide.
6. Or he wants the arrest and subsequent ability to make a statement or enjoy the pain he inflicted.
7. He may have studied the other rampage sites like Columbine or Aurora which channeled his goals and gave him vicarious reinforcement in fantasy form as he planned his action and maybe his death. He fantasizes the aftermath. That is way most experts want us to down play the horror shots and interviews with victims. Every crying mom or dad reinforces the fantasy of the next one of these killers.

All these are just suggestions. So far we don't have a targeted attack at specific people like an Amy Bishop.

He may or may not have surfaced to some authorities. We will see, if the signs were missed or ignored.

**Glenn E. Meyer** · December 11, 2012, 10:35 PM

Police said the shooter killed himself. Not shot by the law or civilian.

Polinese · December 11, 2012, 10:45 PM

In regards to the body armor, I woudln't put much stock in that. Holmes ended up just wearing a Load Bearing vest but the media can't tell a glock from a squirt gun.

SPEMack618 · December 11, 2012, 10:49 PM

Yeah, in reading the coverage, it has changed between "tactical vest" and "body armor" repeatedly.

Along with the final fate of the shooter.

kraigwy · December 11, 2012, 11:03 PM

Just called to check on my Daughter, she pretty much lives in that mall. Sure enough the little idiot was in the pet store with one of her 7 dogs.

AND she confesses her pistol was left in the car.

I spent a lot of time last summer working with her on defensive shooting so she could leave her gun in the car.

In reality, that's a pretty high class place (Happy Valley), this was a freak incident that will probably never happen again.

Still not gonna save my daughter if I find out she left her gun in the car again.

ripnbst · December 11, 2012, 11:16 PM

Kraig, I'd guess this incident will be enough for her to carry it now. Reinforcing what you have been telling her all along.

kraigwy · December 11, 2012, 11:28 PM

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Kraig, I'd guess this incident will be enough for her to carry it now

If it don't, the a$$ chewing she got from me and her brothers will.

5.56RifleGuy · December 11, 2012, 11:43 PM

Sorry to hear your daughter was there. I am glad she came out safe though.

**Tom Servo** · December 11, 2012, 11:58 PM

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If it don't, the a$$ chewing she got from me and her brothers will.

I'd be thankful she's alright, and consider it a training opportunity.

Koda94 · December 12, 2012, 12:44 AM

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In reality, that's a pretty high class place (Happy Valley), this was a freak incident that will probably never happen again.

is it just me, or does it seem that the trend of public shootings does not discriminate against social status?

I agree, Happy Valley is a nice neighborhood. I live in Portland and am devastated by the news.

Pfletch83 · December 12, 2012, 01:51 AM

The more of these that happen the more I'm convinced that the Anti-gunners are behind it.

But in all reality I think it was just one more nutbar to add to the list of crazies.

**Tom Servo** · December 12, 2012, 02:05 AM

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The more of these that happen the more I'm convinced that the Anti-gunners are behind it.

What makes you think that?

Dr Big Bird PhD · December 12, 2012, 02:20 AM

Didn't want to see this today.

December 11, 2012, 09:07 PM	#1
SPEMack618 Senior Member Join Date: June 21, 2010 Location: Boy Scout Camp Posts: 1,260	Shooting at Oregon mall A gunman opened fire at an Oregon mall. He has been "neutralized" by police. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/11...t-oregon-mall/ A terrible tragedy to be sure, further compounded by occuring on what began as a grat day for the shooting community. __________________ "Growing up as both a Southern and the son of a child of the '50s, I was imprinted with several things that have long stuck with me. The F-86 Saber Jet was the finest fighter ever flown, the National League is always superior, and Leslie Coffelt was the finest revovler shooter since Mr. Ed."

December 11, 2012, 09:15 PM	#2
Glenn E. Meyer Staff Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 13,149	My old home town and I used to shop there with the wife and kid years ago. Let's not go off too much until we have details. Oregon is a CCW state. I used to carry in that mall. But we don't need a bunch of what if's if we don't know the details yet. Glenn __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. http://www.teddytactical.com/archive...05_Feature.htm Being an Academic Shooter http://www.teddytactical.com/archive...11_Feature.htm Being an Active Shooter

December 11, 2012, 09:54 PM	#6
Glenn E. Meyer Staff Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 13,149	Oh - I said - can we skip the gratituous comments? I'll close this if we go to how there will be a new AWB or I would do this or that. Please take the hint. Let's discuss it if we have info and not speculation. Thank you. __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. http://www.teddytactical.com/archive...05_Feature.htm Being an Academic Shooter http://www.teddytactical.com/archive...11_Feature.htm Being an Active Shooter

December 11, 2012, 10:13 PM	#8
SPEMack618 Senior Member Join Date: June 21, 2010 Location: Boy Scout Camp Posts: 1,260	I can't vouch for the validity of it, but Twitter is abuzz with speculation that the shooter was wearing a Guy Fawkes mask. That scares me on a multitude of levels. Along with the "reporting" of an "assualt rifle" being used along with "body armor" being worn. In addition to the camoflage clothing. __________________ "Growing up as both a Southern and the son of a child of the '50s, I was imprinted with several things that have long stuck with me. The F-86 Saber Jet was the finest fighter ever flown, the National League is always superior, and Leslie Coffelt was the finest revovler shooter since Mr. Ed."

December 11, 2012, 10:14 PM	#9
parrothead2581 Senior Member Join Date: August 4, 2005 Posts: 1,268	Prayers for the families. __________________ But I am like a green olive tree in the house of God: I trust in the mercy of God for ever and ever. Psalm 52:8

December 11, 2012, 09:36 PM	#3
mehavey Senior Member Join Date: June 17, 2010 Posts: 1,993	Assault Rifle now in play: > > "... black, bulletproof vest and carrying an assault rifle." > http://tinyurl.com/c5z4ovv stand by.....

December 11, 2012, 09:42 PM	#4
bfskinnerpunk Senior Member Join Date: June 16, 2009 Posts: 201	Oh man.... this is rough. Hope everyone bought whatever "evil" firearm stuff they desired... prices are headed up, don't you think?

December 11, 2012, 09:51 PM	#5
Glockstar .40 Senior Member Join Date: February 18, 2012 Location: Orygun Posts: 210	I live just a few miles from there and shop there quite a bit. glad i wasnt there but def has me thinkin about as a ccw'er what i would have done if i was there!

December 11, 2012, 10:16 PM	#11
Glockstar .40 Senior Member Join Date: February 18, 2012 Location: Orygun Posts: 210	people are reporting that the shooter kept saying "I am the shooter, I am the shooter" whats up with that? im guessing hes another wacko wanting to be famous. i personally think when shootings like this happen the media shouldnt release the name of the shooter.

December 11, 2012, 10:19 PM	#12
Ridge_Runner_5 Senior Member Join Date: February 8, 2008 Location: Castle Rock, CO Posts: 1,742	He was shooting up the food court. There is a Century Theater attached to it. Could possibly be a copycat?

December 11, 2012, 10:26 PM	#13
Glenn E. Meyer Staff Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 13,149	We really don't know much but I've read the literature on these folks, so here's some points that might play out. 1. There may be some underlying mental illness. 2. The shooter may be suicidial. 3. He is making a statement with his shooting. 4. It could be revenge for a slight, a conspiratorial fantasy or some other delusion. 5. He wants to die a warrior's death rather than an isolated suicide. 6. Or he wants the arrest and subsequent ability to make a statement or enjoy the pain he inflicted. 7. He may have studied the other rampage sites like Columbine or Aurora which channeled his goals and gave him vicarious reinforcement in fantasy form as he planned his action and maybe his death. He fantasizes the aftermath. That is way most experts want us to down play the horror shots and interviews with victims. Every crying mom or dad reinforces the fantasy of the next one of these killers. All these are just suggestions. So far we don't have a targeted attack at specific people like an Amy Bishop. He may or may not have surfaced to some authorities. We will see, if the signs were missed or ignored. __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. http://www.teddytactical.com/archive...05_Feature.htm Being an Academic Shooter http://www.teddytactical.com/archive...11_Feature.htm Being an Active Shooter

December 11, 2012, 10:35 PM	#14
Glenn E. Meyer Staff Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 13,149	Police said the shooter killed himself. Not shot by the law or civilian. __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. http://www.teddytactical.com/archive...05_Feature.htm Being an Academic Shooter http://www.teddytactical.com/archive...11_Feature.htm Being an Active Shooter

December 11, 2012, 10:45 PM	#15
Polinese Senior Member Join Date: September 27, 2010 Posts: 245	In regards to the body armor, I woudln't put much stock in that. Holmes ended up just wearing a Load Bearing vest but the media can't tell a glock from a squirt gun.

December 11, 2012, 10:49 PM	#16
SPEMack618 Senior Member Join Date: June 21, 2010 Location: Boy Scout Camp Posts: 1,260	Yeah, in reading the coverage, it has changed between "tactical vest" and "body armor" repeatedly. Along with the final fate of the shooter. __________________ "Growing up as both a Southern and the son of a child of the '50s, I was imprinted with several things that have long stuck with me. The F-86 Saber Jet was the finest fighter ever flown, the National League is always superior, and Leslie Coffelt was the finest revovler shooter since Mr. Ed."

December 11, 2012, 11:03 PM	#17
kraigwy Senior Member Join Date: June 16, 2008 Location: Wyoming Posts: 8,614	Just called to check on my Daughter, she pretty much lives in that mall. Sure enough the little idiot was in the pet store with one of her 7 dogs. AND she confesses her pistol was left in the car. I spent a lot of time last summer working with her on defensive shooting so she could leave her gun in the car. In reality, that's a pretty high class place (Happy Valley), this was a freak incident that will probably never happen again. Still not gonna save my daughter if I find out she left her gun in the car again. __________________ Kraig Stuart CPT USAR Ret USAMU Sniper School Oct '78 Distinguished Rifle Badge 1071

December 11, 2012, 11:16 PM	#18
ripnbst Senior Member Join Date: November 24, 2010 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 1,038	Kraig, I'd guess this incident will be enough for her to carry it now. Reinforcing what you have been telling her all along.

December 11, 2012, 11:43 PM	#20
5.56RifleGuy Senior Member Join Date: May 9, 2010 Location: USA Posts: 965	Sorry to hear your daughter was there. I am glad she came out safe though.

December 12, 2012, 01:51 AM	#23
Pfletch83 Senior Member Join Date: November 3, 2012 Posts: 148	The more of these that happen the more I'm convinced that the Anti-gunners are behind it. But in all reality I think it was just one more nutbar to add to the list of crazies.

December 12, 2012, 02:20 AM	#25
Dr Big Bird PhD Senior Member Join Date: October 26, 2012 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 672	Didn't want to see this today. __________________ I told the new me, "Meet me at the bus station and hold a sign that reads: 'Today is the first day of the rest of your life.'" But the old me met me with a sign that read: "Welcome back." Who you are is not a function of where you are. -Off Minor