Some Questions For Glock Owners

Single Six · March 26, 2012, 06:50 PM

I have, in the past, toyed with the idea of joining your club, but I've never actually bought a Glock. I have shot them, and know them to be fine, reliable guns. But I'm wondering a few things, and am hoping you Glock fans will help me out here: What, if any, parts failures or reliability problems have any of you had, and about how many rounds went down the barrel before it happened? Also: I see that the Glock company is currently producing Gen 4 guns, and so presumably they'll eventually come out with Gen 5 models. What changes or improvements do you guys foresee with this as yet unproduced line [I'm personally hoping for the options of a manual safety and a stainless steel finish on the slide assembly]? Thanks as always for any and all input.

Uncle Malice · March 26, 2012, 06:58 PM

Come on in, the water's fine.

In all seriousness, the Gen4's are great guns. Glock has had some teething problems on some of them with a bad run of extractors supposedly. I have had Gen4 G23, G27, and now the Gen 4 G21. My best friend hs the G19 and it has run 100%.

I absolutely love my Gen4 21. Glock just started producing the first Gen4 models about a year and a half ago... so it'll probably be 2020 before there is any talk of a Gen5.... I don't forsee a manual safety, and I definitely don't see a stainless finish on the slide, as Glock slides are not stainless steel. You CAN get the EXO Nickel-Boron finish though, which gives it that 2-tone look. It's supposed to be great stuff.

I have not had any parts breakages in any of my Glocks through thousands and thousands of rounds. With that said, they have all been spread out across multiple guns. My highest round count Glock is my Gen3 G17 in Olive Drab. It currently has just under 3k rounds through it without ever being cleaned or lubed since the day I bought it. It has never had a single malfunction of any kind, and shows very little wear. Almost non existent 'smiley' on the barrel.

I'm not a Glock fanboy... I do like them.. but I also really like Sigs, XD/XDMs, the M&P line, and good old 1911's. I think everyone should have a Glock in their collection.

geetarman · March 26, 2012, 07:03 PM

I have a G21, G36 and G17. I have quite a few rounds through the G21 and have had no failures.

Had some issues with the first magazine through the G17 and no failures since.

No failures with the G36.

Other than ugly, they shoot really well. I am not sorry I have them.

My daughter has two and my son has two. Their guns have been trouble free.

Geetarman

hudson69 · March 26, 2012, 07:08 PM

I have two Gen 4, G23's. One is my work gun, issued to me and the second is my personal EDC. I have shot about 300 rounds through each and have not had any problems. I would recommend Glock to anyone that is willing to put in the time to learn to shoot and understands that the trigger safety will not prevent an AD in the wrong hands.

BarryLee · March 26, 2012, 07:32 PM

I have a G20 in 10mm and it has been a good gun, but admitted I have not shot it like my other guns. I have maybe 1500 rounds through it and have experienced zero problems. If you specifically want a 10mm it is an excellent platform.

Since the GEN 4 guns are just now rolling out I suspect a GEN 5 is a long way off. As for the manual safety GLOCKS incorporate safety devices, but I assume you mean a traditional safety like on a 1911. Well, I would be surprised to see those offered on factory guns, but I believe they are available in the aftermarket. GLOCKs are excellent guns from a reliability standpoint but, you have to decide if they are for you from a functionality standpoint.

gunsmokeTPF · March 26, 2012, 07:48 PM

I never liked Glocks. A couple of departments near me had problems a number of years ago with them that took a couple of years to correct. I bought my son a Glock26 several years ago when he was appointed and began looking at them more closely.

I was prejudiced against them because I grew up without a father and had an uncle who was an avid gun collector and because he was a steamfitter by trade did have a prejudice against plastic. I guess it rubbed off on me. A number of years ago in the 80's he bought a Steyr Mannlicher model M 7x57, which had a plastic 5 shot rotory mag, as well as a plastic trigger guard. This shocked the hell out of me. When he showed it to me I told him "Plastic, what the hell is this?" He was converted and after I got the rifle from him and took it into the woods so was I. I guess he wasn't 100% converted and did purchase a spare plastic trigger guard.

I was carrying a Sig228 since 1988 after I retired, but purchased a Glock27. I stuck the A-Grip on it and now carry it more than my Sig, which I do love. I even purchased the Laser Max guide rod sight for it. For me it's a pleasure to shoot, but a friend of mine, who was never in LE, complains about the feel of the grip, which is not uncommon. He's partial to the XD, since being made in Croatia and all it's extra chotchkas on it turns me off. This is only my opinion and don't mean to insult those that love them.

I'm not familiar with the 4th generation Glocks, so can't say anything about them. I've heard negative things about them, but that's up to those with experience with them to talk about. I can say that my 3rd generation Glock27 hasn't given me anything to complain about in four years. As far as a manual safety goes, I don't have one on my Sig and don't need it on my Glock, or NAA. They're only needed when carrying cocked and locked.

lee n. field · March 26, 2012, 07:59 PM

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But I'm wondering a few things, and am hoping you Glock fans will help me out here: What, if any, parts failures or reliability problems have any of you had, and about how many rounds went down the barrel before it happened?

None. But, mine probably has < 1K rounds through it yet.

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Gen 5 models. What changes or improvements do you guys foresee with this as yet unproduced line

Ask me in 10 years.

wheelyfun · March 26, 2012, 08:13 PM

I have owned a Glock 27 Gen3, and now currently carry a Gen4 G26

Super light, high capacity, low bore axis, great trigger return, accurate, easy to find parts, easy to detail strip, easy to find holsters and accessories....want me to go on?.......

It took me awhile to warm up to Glock (have owned Sig, Beretta, Colt, S&W, etc)...and they felt horrible in my hand, at the gunstore.....
but...
once I started shooting one.....i realized what I had been missing.

Samuel2011 · March 26, 2012, 08:29 PM

Hi Single 6,
I have had the pleasure of owning a second generation for the past 15-16 years. When I first bought it, I was working as a range master and carried it and shot it daily. For the first tens years or so, I kept a rough count of rounds down range and stopped counting at arround 15K rounds.
The only problems I have ever had were failure to eject and failure to feed and started arround 8-9k rounds. The first thing I replaced was the recoil spring and well, that solved the problem. Since then I have replace the recoil spring after 5k rounds or so. I've probably fired another 4-5k rounds since I stopped counting (Educated guesstimate).

Quote:

Come on in, the waters' fine.

That quote works for me!

jhenry · March 26, 2012, 08:36 PM

If mine ever malfunctions I will let you guys know.

Single Six · March 26, 2012, 08:49 PM

Gunsmoke TPF: As far as the manual safety thing goes, it's just my personal preference when it comes to semi-autos.

KenLondregan · March 26, 2012, 08:58 PM

I have a generation 3 Glock 22. I’ve put countless rounds through it and it has almost always been reliable. The only time I ever had an issue was when I bought a bad batch of Ultramax remanufactured ammo, and I kept getting failure to ejects. I thought it was my Glock, but I followed up with some cheap Winchester white box stuff and all was back to normal. The only way I would ever sell my gen 3 would be to get a gen 4.

gunsmokeTPF · March 26, 2012, 09:19 PM

Single Six, I can understand how some people may feel about not having a safety, but I've carried the 1911 and Browning HP locked and loaded and am very comfortable not having a safety on DA autos. It's only a matter of personal preference. Anyway, that's the way they're making them now.

shootthecurl · March 26, 2012, 09:25 PM

I have a gen 4 model 35, my third glock, I loved all of them (17 and 21) . I have fired about 80 rounds through my 35...I couldn't be happier...I don't understand all the criticism..I also own 2 sigs (232 and 1911), a S&W 40 , Colt CC 1911 and a Tokarov 57. If I had to grab one.. it would be the Glock..I guess it is a matter of personal bias..

glocktwotwo · March 26, 2012, 10:25 PM

I own and or have owned a gen1 G17..gen2 G22 and a gen3 G22, all of them were gently used and have had no issues except on the gen3 i had failure to eject twice while using el cheapo tulammo ...tulammo is low quality russian steal cased ammo ..all in all my gen3 G22(.40cal) by far is my favorite and my everyday carry weopon...alot of people dislike Glock but i love them..pure, simple and reliable...I ROCK THE GLOCK

bqglock · March 26, 2012, 11:01 PM

I have a Gen3 G32 w/ a lone wolf .40 barrel for practice, 1500 rounds of .357 as of last saturday and 500 of the .40. when i first installed the brand new lone wolf barrel i had two failure to feed in the first 50 rounds after that nothing. i bought my gun used two years ago just as the gen 4 guns were coming out so who knows how many rounds were fired before i got it.

C0untZer0 · March 26, 2012, 11:31 PM

I bought a used G34 and have probably 400 rounds through it with no problems.

I have a 17L with about 500 rounds through it with no problems so far - and I have all the parts that are causing the problems - the 336 ejector the dipped MIM extractor - but no problems, not a single failure.

I mainly got the Glock to modify it, but I have to admit, the 17L is a lot of fun at the range.

I son't know about the company - I think this last SHOT show revealed some things. Other companies like Springfield Armory, Walther and Caracal are making advancements in design. What was Glock doing? Fixing Gen 4 extraction problems...

There has to be a Gen 5 but they need to bring real innovation to the next Glock or they are going wind up like Colt - just selling a certain pistol model to a group of shooters out there that happen to like that particular gun.

IMO the Diamondback DB9 is failure - but Glock, with it's size and cash should be able to design a pistol roughly that weight and form factor that actually functions reliably. Rohrbaugh has done it, Kahr has done it...

Glock fans love those G26s and they'll claim that they're pocket pistols to the day the die - but the G26 is not a pocket pistol.

Ruger has made a FORTUNE on the LCP and LC9 and Glock has completely missed out on it. From what I can tell - Sig-Sauer is going to have a huge seller with the P938.

I think Glock does have to come out with a reliable pocket 9 - something in the same weight & form factor as a PM9 / DB9

The Gen 5 is going to have to have a much better trigger. If Walther can give the PPS a good trigger - Glock can give their pistols a better trigger, and I would argue that they have to. I also think Glock has to redesign the pistol to give it better ergonomics and less felt recoil.

They have to compete against Walther, Steyr, Caracal with innovation or people are going flock to the new designs and the benefits those guns have.

Whether Glock can do it or not is a question.

They have a HUGE built in market.

If you go to the Glock forum you'll see at least one thread every two weeks "What if Glock made a 1911 ????" Yes - there really are guys that are excited about the prospect of Glock making a 1911, and they would buy them!

But I think they have to do more than make minor and marginal improvements of the basic Glock design for this next go-around.

Verbal Clint · March 27, 2012, 12:57 AM

Glock 17 Gen 1 here. It's a handed down gun and I'm the third gen owner. My dad has been known to have feed failures. He grips it fairly high though so it might be a hand position problem. I have never jammed it once. The only gun I've ever shot better was a Sig Sauer P226 with contrast sights.

Will Beararms · March 27, 2012, 01:04 AM

If you learn to use the Glock trigger reset correctly, nothing else will satisfy. They are simple, reliable and easy to maintain.

Hank15 · March 27, 2012, 03:40 AM

I have a Gen. 3 Glock 22.

At first you'll blame everything on the gun, but as you get better you'll really learn to appreciate it. The trigger will be your enemy at first, but you'll learn to tolerate it or like it. I recommend getting a Ghost Tactical 5.0lb connector for a better trigger pull.

Sights have to go. This is not negotiable, especially if you use a holster. They are plastic and do not have the capacity to be durable and accurate in the long run.

The recoil spring assembly has to be seated correctly, or it'll fly out and make you blame it on the gun when it's really user error.

Otherwise it's a good gun, just like any other guns out there.

Put 200 rounds through a Glock 17 or 34 at the range and see for yourself.

TailGator · March 27, 2012, 05:11 PM

G26 is 3 years old, around 4K rounds, no failures or breakages of any sort, except that my daughter limp-wristed it the first time she shot it. A little teaching from her daddy cured the problem permanently.

If you really want a thumb safety, I would in all honesty consider a different brand rather than waiting on Glock to build one. Glock's business model is to manufacture one basic design. They adapt it to different calibers by changing barrel and magazine dimensions, and they change the outer dimensions of the guns, but internally the differences are inconsequential. That strategy keeps down both their manufacturing costs and the retail price; I don't see them abandoning that route to success very willingly or soon.

TxFlyFish · March 27, 2012, 05:36 PM

when you buy a new glock ask to see the test date. you are more likely to find problems with 2010 and 2011 guns

Will Beararms · March 27, 2012, 07:06 PM

You need to make sure the ejector and recoil spring assembly are the latest and greatest. Call Glock and they will tell you depending on the model. That is what I did for my Gen4 Glock 22: 0-1-4 RSA and 28296 ejector. I have 200 rounds through it so far and not bobbles whatsoever.

Crow Hunter · March 27, 2012, 07:13 PM

I am an avid Glock fan. The only auto guns I own now other than a NAA Guardian.

That being said. If you really want a manual safety, get an M&P. My brother has a M&P9c with a manual safety and although I can't shoot it as well as I do my Glocks and I really don't like the reset on it, it is a pretty nice gun.

There have been some issues with them early on, but they seem to have mostly been ironed out and what problems there were S&W took care off fast. (The white dot in my brothers front sight fell out the 1st time he shot it.

)

I don't like the take down of them, but other than that they are really good guns.

To make a long story longer, go M&P if you are only going to feel comfortable with a manual safety. This is much better than the alternative of carrying without a round in the chamber because you aren't comfortable with it.

Eppie · March 27, 2012, 07:23 PM

I bought my first Glock 17 in 1989 and some of my friends made fun on my plastic gun. I just like it because it was light and had a high cap mag. It turned out it was very reliable.

I've since bought many other pistols. I like some features that others have, but overall I still think that Glocks are my "go to guns'. I think you can pay a lot more for a gun, I have, but you won't find a better pistol.

March 26, 2012, 06:50 PM	#1
Single Six Senior Member Join Date: January 31, 2010 Location: N.C. Posts: 1,522	Some Questions For Glock Owners I have, in the past, toyed with the idea of joining your club, but I've never actually bought a Glock. I have shot them, and know them to be fine, reliable guns. But I'm wondering a few things, and am hoping you Glock fans will help me out here: What, if any, parts failures or reliability problems have any of you had, and about how many rounds went down the barrel before it happened? Also: I see that the Glock company is currently producing Gen 4 guns, and so presumably they'll eventually come out with Gen 5 models. What changes or improvements do you guys foresee with this as yet unproduced line [I'm personally hoping for the options of a manual safety and a stainless steel finish on the slide assembly]? Thanks as always for any and all input.

March 26, 2012, 06:58 PM	#2
Uncle Malice Senior Member Join Date: May 12, 2009 Location: Phoenix Posts: 4,580	Come on in, the water's fine. In all seriousness, the Gen4's are great guns. Glock has had some teething problems on some of them with a bad run of extractors supposedly. I have had Gen4 G23, G27, and now the Gen 4 G21. My best friend hs the G19 and it has run 100%. I absolutely love my Gen4 21. Glock just started producing the first Gen4 models about a year and a half ago... so it'll probably be 2020 before there is any talk of a Gen5.... I don't forsee a manual safety, and I definitely don't see a stainless finish on the slide, as Glock slides are not stainless steel. You CAN get the EXO Nickel-Boron finish though, which gives it that 2-tone look. It's supposed to be great stuff. I have not had any parts breakages in any of my Glocks through thousands and thousands of rounds. With that said, they have all been spread out across multiple guns. My highest round count Glock is my Gen3 G17 in Olive Drab. It currently has just under 3k rounds through it without ever being cleaned or lubed since the day I bought it. It has never had a single malfunction of any kind, and shows very little wear. Almost non existent 'smiley' on the barrel. I'm not a Glock fanboy... I do like them.. but I also really like Sigs, XD/XDMs, the M&P line, and good old 1911's. I think everyone should have a Glock in their collection. __________________ Handguns: 2x Glock 19.4 \| Glock 26.4 \| HK USP 9 \| HK P2000 \| HK VP9 SK \| HK P30 \| CZ Shadow 2 \| CZ P-10 C \| CZ P-07 \| CZP-01 \| S&W 360PD Rifles: DDM4 \| SGL 21 \| SAM7K \| Draco \| PSA PDW SBR \| ASA Side-Charger SBR \| CZ Scorpion K SBR \| Aero M4E1 9" 300blk SBR \| Angstadt Jack9 SBR \| Savage Mark II FV-SR Shotguns: Mossberg 590A1 20" SP \| Mossberg Shockwave Last edited by Uncle Malice; March 26, 2012 at 07:03 PM.

March 26, 2012, 07:08 PM	#4
hudson69 Member Join Date: July 21, 2011 Location: Colorado Posts: 24	G23 I have two Gen 4, G23's. One is my work gun, issued to me and the second is my personal EDC. I have shot about 300 rounds through each and have not had any problems. I would recommend Glock to anyone that is willing to put in the time to learn to shoot and understands that the trigger safety will not prevent an AD in the wrong hands.

March 26, 2012, 07:32 PM	#5
BarryLee Senior Member Join Date: July 29, 2010 Location: The ATL (OTP) Posts: 3,965	I have a G20 in 10mm and it has been a good gun, but admitted I have not shot it like my other guns. I have maybe 1500 rounds through it and have experienced zero problems. If you specifically want a 10mm it is an excellent platform. Since the GEN 4 guns are just now rolling out I suspect a GEN 5 is a long way off. As for the manual safety GLOCKS incorporate safety devices, but I assume you mean a traditional safety like on a 1911. Well, I would be surprised to see those offered on factory guns, but I believe they are available in the aftermarket. GLOCKs are excellent guns from a reliability standpoint but, you have to decide if they are for you from a functionality standpoint. __________________ A major source of objection to a free economy is precisely that it ... gives people what they want instead of what a particular group thinks they ought to want. Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

March 26, 2012, 07:48 PM	#6
gunsmokeTPF Junior member Join Date: February 14, 2012 Posts: 268	I never liked Glocks. A couple of departments near me had problems a number of years ago with them that took a couple of years to correct. I bought my son a Glock26 several years ago when he was appointed and began looking at them more closely. I was prejudiced against them because I grew up without a father and had an uncle who was an avid gun collector and because he was a steamfitter by trade did have a prejudice against plastic. I guess it rubbed off on me. A number of years ago in the 80's he bought a Steyr Mannlicher model M 7x57, which had a plastic 5 shot rotory mag, as well as a plastic trigger guard. This shocked the hell out of me. When he showed it to me I told him "Plastic, what the hell is this?" He was converted and after I got the rifle from him and took it into the woods so was I. I guess he wasn't 100% converted and did purchase a spare plastic trigger guard. I was carrying a Sig228 since 1988 after I retired, but purchased a Glock27. I stuck the A-Grip on it and now carry it more than my Sig, which I do love. I even purchased the Laser Max guide rod sight for it. For me it's a pleasure to shoot, but a friend of mine, who was never in LE, complains about the feel of the grip, which is not uncommon. He's partial to the XD, since being made in Croatia and all it's extra chotchkas on it turns me off. This is only my opinion and don't mean to insult those that love them. I'm not familiar with the 4th generation Glocks, so can't say anything about them. I've heard negative things about them, but that's up to those with experience with them to talk about. I can say that my 3rd generation Glock27 hasn't given me anything to complain about in four years. As far as a manual safety goes, I don't have one on my Sig and don't need it on my Glock, or NAA. They're only needed when carrying cocked and locked. Last edited by gunsmokeTPF; March 26, 2012 at 07:57 PM.

March 26, 2012, 07:03 PM	#3
geetarman Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2009 Location: Arizona Posts: 3,157	I have a G21, G36 and G17. I have quite a few rounds through the G21 and have had no failures. Had some issues with the first magazine through the G17 and no failures since. No failures with the G36. Other than ugly, they shoot really well. I am not sorry I have them. My daughter has two and my son has two. Their guns have been trouble free. Geetarman

March 26, 2012, 08:13 PM	#8
wheelyfun Senior Member Join Date: December 23, 2010 Location: Vermont Posts: 241	I have owned a Glock 27 Gen3, and now currently carry a Gen4 G26 Super light, high capacity, low bore axis, great trigger return, accurate, easy to find parts, easy to detail strip, easy to find holsters and accessories....want me to go on?....... It took me awhile to warm up to Glock (have owned Sig, Beretta, Colt, S&W, etc)...and they felt horrible in my hand, at the gunstore..... but... once I started shooting one.....i realized what I had been missing. __________________ When two of equal skill meet at swords' point, there is no conclusion to the match--Takuan Soho (written in 1629)

March 26, 2012, 08:36 PM	#10
jhenry Senior Member Join Date: May 27, 2006 Location: Ozarks Posts: 1,840	If mine ever malfunctions I will let you guys know. __________________ "A Liberal is someone who doesn't care what you do, as long as it's mandatory". - Charles Krauthammer

March 26, 2012, 08:49 PM	#11
Single Six Senior Member Join Date: January 31, 2010 Location: N.C. Posts: 1,522	Gunsmoke TPF: As far as the manual safety thing goes, it's just my personal preference when it comes to semi-autos.

March 26, 2012, 08:58 PM	#12
KenLondregan Member Join Date: February 20, 2012 Location: New Jersey Posts: 64	I have a generation 3 Glock 22. I’ve put countless rounds through it and it has almost always been reliable. The only time I ever had an issue was when I bought a bad batch of Ultramax remanufactured ammo, and I kept getting failure to ejects. I thought it was my Glock, but I followed up with some cheap Winchester white box stuff and all was back to normal. The only way I would ever sell my gen 3 would be to get a gen 4.

March 26, 2012, 09:19 PM	#13
gunsmokeTPF Junior member Join Date: February 14, 2012 Posts: 268	Single Six, I can understand how some people may feel about not having a safety, but I've carried the 1911 and Browning HP locked and loaded and am very comfortable not having a safety on DA autos. It's only a matter of personal preference. Anyway, that's the way they're making them now.

March 26, 2012, 09:25 PM	#14
shootthecurl Junior Member Join Date: March 23, 2012 Posts: 2	I have a gen 4 model 35, my third glock, I loved all of them (17 and 21) . I have fired about 80 rounds through my 35...I couldn't be happier...I don't understand all the criticism..I also own 2 sigs (232 and 1911), a S&W 40 , Colt CC 1911 and a Tokarov 57. If I had to grab one.. it would be the Glock..I guess it is a matter of personal bias..

March 26, 2012, 10:25 PM	#15
glocktwotwo Member Join Date: February 14, 2012 Posts: 78	I own and or have owned a gen1 G17..gen2 G22 and a gen3 G22, all of them were gently used and have had no issues except on the gen3 i had failure to eject twice while using el cheapo tulammo ...tulammo is low quality russian steal cased ammo ..all in all my gen3 G22(.40cal) by far is my favorite and my everyday carry weopon...alot of people dislike Glock but i love them..pure, simple and reliable...I ROCK THE GLOCK

March 26, 2012, 11:01 PM	#16
bqglock Member Join Date: January 10, 2012 Location: Apache junction, AZ Posts: 50	I have a Gen3 G32 w/ a lone wolf .40 barrel for practice, 1500 rounds of .357 as of last saturday and 500 of the .40. when i first installed the brand new lone wolf barrel i had two failure to feed in the first 50 rounds after that nothing. i bought my gun used two years ago just as the gen 4 guns were coming out so who knows how many rounds were fired before i got it.

March 26, 2012, 11:31 PM	#17
C0untZer0 Junior member Join Date: April 21, 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,555	I bought a used G34 and have probably 400 rounds through it with no problems. I have a 17L with about 500 rounds through it with no problems so far - and I have all the parts that are causing the problems - the 336 ejector the dipped MIM extractor - but no problems, not a single failure. I mainly got the Glock to modify it, but I have to admit, the 17L is a lot of fun at the range. I son't know about the company - I think this last SHOT show revealed some things. Other companies like Springfield Armory, Walther and Caracal are making advancements in design. What was Glock doing? Fixing Gen 4 extraction problems... There has to be a Gen 5 but they need to bring real innovation to the next Glock or they are going wind up like Colt - just selling a certain pistol model to a group of shooters out there that happen to like that particular gun. IMO the Diamondback DB9 is failure - but Glock, with it's size and cash should be able to design a pistol roughly that weight and form factor that actually functions reliably. Rohrbaugh has done it, Kahr has done it... Glock fans love those G26s and they'll claim that they're pocket pistols to the day the die - but the G26 is not a pocket pistol. Ruger has made a FORTUNE on the LCP and LC9 and Glock has completely missed out on it. From what I can tell - Sig-Sauer is going to have a huge seller with the P938. I think Glock does have to come out with a reliable pocket 9 - something in the same weight & form factor as a PM9 / DB9 The Gen 5 is going to have to have a much better trigger. If Walther can give the PPS a good trigger - Glock can give their pistols a better trigger, and I would argue that they have to. I also think Glock has to redesign the pistol to give it better ergonomics and less felt recoil. They have to compete against Walther, Steyr, Caracal with innovation or people are going flock to the new designs and the benefits those guns have. Whether Glock can do it or not is a question. They have a HUGE built in market. If you go to the Glock forum you'll see at least one thread every two weeks "What if Glock made a 1911 ????" Yes - there really are guys that are excited about the prospect of Glock making a 1911, and they would buy them! But I think they have to do more than make minor and marginal improvements of the basic Glock design for this next go-around.

March 27, 2012, 12:57 AM	#18
Verbal Clint Member Join Date: March 14, 2012 Location: Lubbock, TX Posts: 69	Glock 17 Gen 1 here. It's a handed down gun and I'm the third gen owner. My dad has been known to have feed failures. He grips it fairly high though so it might be a hand position problem. I have never jammed it once. The only gun I've ever shot better was a Sig Sauer P226 with contrast sights.

March 27, 2012, 01:04 AM	#19
Will Beararms Senior Member Join Date: October 13, 1999 Location: North Texas Posts: 2,834	If you learn to use the Glock trigger reset correctly, nothing else will satisfy. They are simple, reliable and easy to maintain.

March 27, 2012, 03:40 AM	#20
Hank15 Senior Member Join Date: April 18, 2009 Location: California Posts: 437	I have a Gen. 3 Glock 22. At first you'll blame everything on the gun, but as you get better you'll really learn to appreciate it. The trigger will be your enemy at first, but you'll learn to tolerate it or like it. I recommend getting a Ghost Tactical 5.0lb connector for a better trigger pull. Sights have to go. This is not negotiable, especially if you use a holster. They are plastic and do not have the capacity to be durable and accurate in the long run. The recoil spring assembly has to be seated correctly, or it'll fly out and make you blame it on the gun when it's really user error. Otherwise it's a good gun, just like any other guns out there. Put 200 rounds through a Glock 17 or 34 at the range and see for yourself.

March 27, 2012, 05:11 PM	#21
TailGator Senior Member Join Date: May 8, 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 3,809	G26 is 3 years old, around 4K rounds, no failures or breakages of any sort, except that my daughter limp-wristed it the first time she shot it. A little teaching from her daddy cured the problem permanently. If you really want a thumb safety, I would in all honesty consider a different brand rather than waiting on Glock to build one. Glock's business model is to manufacture one basic design. They adapt it to different calibers by changing barrel and magazine dimensions, and they change the outer dimensions of the guns, but internally the differences are inconsequential. That strategy keeps down both their manufacturing costs and the retail price; I don't see them abandoning that route to success very willingly or soon.

March 27, 2012, 05:36 PM	#22
TxFlyFish Senior Member Join Date: October 18, 2011 Posts: 1,246	when you buy a new glock ask to see the test date. you are more likely to find problems with 2010 and 2011 guns

March 27, 2012, 07:06 PM	#23
Will Beararms Senior Member Join Date: October 13, 1999 Location: North Texas Posts: 2,834	You need to make sure the ejector and recoil spring assembly are the latest and greatest. Call Glock and they will tell you depending on the model. That is what I did for my Gen4 Glock 22: 0-1-4 RSA and 28296 ejector. I have 200 rounds through it so far and not bobbles whatsoever.

March 27, 2012, 07:13 PM	#24
Crow Hunter Senior Member Join Date: January 27, 2012 Posts: 1,078	I am an avid Glock fan. The only auto guns I own now other than a NAA Guardian. That being said. If you really want a manual safety, get an M&P. My brother has a M&P9c with a manual safety and although I can't shoot it as well as I do my Glocks and I really don't like the reset on it, it is a pretty nice gun. There have been some issues with them early on, but they seem to have mostly been ironed out and what problems there were S&W took care off fast. (The white dot in my brothers front sight fell out the 1st time he shot it.) I don't like the take down of them, but other than that they are really good guns. To make a long story longer, go M&P if you are only going to feel comfortable with a manual safety. This is much better than the alternative of carrying without a round in the chamber because you aren't comfortable with it.

March 27, 2012, 07:23 PM	#25
Eppie Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2010 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 802	I bought my first Glock 17 in 1989 and some of my friends made fun on my plastic gun. I just like it because it was light and had a high cap mag. It turned out it was very reliable. I've since bought many other pistols. I like some features that others have, but overall I still think that Glocks are my "go to guns'. I think you can pay a lot more for a gun, I have, but you won't find a better pistol.