Seriously terrifying experience w/ a Judge

longlane · March 26, 2011, 10:17 PM

Okay, so my wife and I bought the magnum judge in the brushed stainless finish when they first came out. We wanted a kayak/canoe gun that could take on aggressive poisonous snakes (.410) or a boar (leverlution hollow points in. 45LC). It traveled in our boats in a pelican dive box and was never drawn on the water or exposed to moisture. We liked the gun for the role we wanted it to fill. We liked it enough to make it my wife's bedside SD gun for a number of reasons--including lack of overpenetration w/ the right .410 loads. I'd added a few speed loaders for .45LC and a set of nicer grips (for a tracker, from hogue). She'd shot it enough to be accurate and comfortable with it.

All that said, the gun always, always, always made me give it a second glance everytime I saw it--not in a good way either. The only problem we ever had with it until today was ejecting spent shells; .410 or. 45LC in multiple brands--nearly all would stick a bit uncomfortably when trying to eject them. However, I was always careful to keep the cylinder clean to aid extraction.

So, today, my wife and I decided to revisit the Judge while chatting. We decided to take it in and trade it on something else. Turned out it gave us both the willies a little bit.

So, I collected together all the orig. paperwork, box, lock, grips, and speed loaders. I looked the gun over carefully; it was cherry. Not a scratch, not a ding, not a single speck of rust. It'd had less than 50 rounds through it. I decided to clean carbon/firing leavings off of it one last time for the next owner (and to land top dollar on a trade).

What I'm about to type almost caused me to lose it today. I have an 8 month old child and we live a long, long way from the nearest law enforcement. I used to travel frequently overnight for work. My wife had listened to me about training with speedloaders and being prepared for intruders. If she'd done what I'd always told her to do with the Judge, the outcome could have been horrific.

I went to clean the gun. I got to cylinder throat #3, and the cylinder, the swing arm, and the swing-arm pivot rod FELL OUT IN MY HAND!!! (My terms are probably not correct, but I'm not talking about the extractor--I'm talking about the actual rod that connects the cylinder and cylinder swing arm to the frame). In my right hand, the gun frame. In my left hand, the cylinder et al. I literally started shaking as the realization of what would have happened in a re-load emergency for my wife.

You have been warned. This is the second and final time a taurus has let me down (last time was a plinking .22 revolver that cylinder binded-rotationally-before and after a return to Taurus).

To know that I trusted this Judge at all--ever--gives me a pause. It's gone; with a warning and the warranty paperwork to a person willing to possess it in full knowledge of its flaws.

I take excellent, excellent care of my firearms, as does my wife. There is simply no excuse for this sort of poor design and execution. Know that the cylinder assembly of this judge was ultimately held in by a pressed metal cap/pin on a weak spring with a cap screw holding it in (just above and forward of the side plate screw above the trigger). The threads on the screw looked awful, as did the threads in the gun frame.

I don't have pics because I wanted it gone asap. I refuse to have firearms with known quality problems in my home. I gave the judge a chance. It let me down horribly. I shudder to think what could have resulted.

Deaf Smith · March 26, 2011, 10:24 PM

Long,

How did the crane and cylinder come off?

Is there a screw that holds it in?

S&W revolvers have a screw on the right side that keeps the cylinder crane from going forward and off the frame when you open the cylinder.

I suspect the Judge's screw, if any, worked loose from shooting. If no lock tite is used any screw can do that.

If it ain't gone, see if that was the problem.

Deaf

longlane · March 26, 2011, 10:39 PM

My S&Ws are regularly checked for just this issue, but the judge screw that performs the same function is hollow, has a weak spring behind it, and the spring is capped by a far-too-thin cap that is obviously designed to lock into a detent ring on the rod. Problem in this case was two-fold: the screw threads (both frame and screw itself) were of awful quality--rough, shallow in spots, and coarse and the cap that should lock into the detent was so absurdly thin that it had somehow deformed in manufacturing and become a crumpled wad of steel.

I thank you for your thoughts, and I at first had the same thought, but the screw was tight.

MrDontPlay · March 26, 2011, 10:50 PM

I too require absolute 100% reliability from my SD firearms. I shoot several hundred rounds through them before I trust them. I have a shot gun under my bed right now but if someone kicks my door in I'll be reaching for a ruger, because I haven't shot the shotgun yet.

.wheelgunner. · March 26, 2011, 11:38 PM

I've never owned a Taurus, will never own a Taurus, and have no desire to ever fire a Taurus.

Therefore, I can't even imagine how such a thing could happen, not having ever really seen a Taurus.

Wildalaska · March 26, 2011, 11:55 PM

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I too require absolute 100% reliability from my SD firearms.

Then you must not have one, since no firearm (nor ammo) is 100% reliable

WildthereareonlyprobabilitiesAlaska ™©2002-2011

**Tom Servo** · March 27, 2011, 12:01 AM

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the judge screw that performs the same function is hollow, has a weak spring behind it, and the spring is capped by a far-too-thin cap that is obviously designed to lock into a detent ring on the rod.

That design element is shared by all Taurus (and Rossi) revolvers. It's unnecessarily complex. I have also seen it fail numerous times.

longlane · March 27, 2011, 12:04 AM

I was unaware that Rossi shared this design. I don't own any Rossi's, but it's good to know.

4runnerman · March 27, 2011, 12:22 AM

Any further details as to why it happened?. Would this have happened had you not been taking it apart?.

ripnbst · March 27, 2011, 12:28 AM

I have shot a friends Taurus auto and having said that I will never own a Taurus.

I haven't ever seen, held, shot one I liked.

EdInk · March 27, 2011, 12:31 AM

Deeply troubling to hear about your Judge.

osallent · March 27, 2011, 12:42 AM

Something wrong with a Taurus? Shocking!!!

Now you get to experience the Taurus goring. If you've ever been to Pamplona during the running of the bulls, you'd know that being gored by a bull is not fun...believe me. Taurus will gore you by making you pay for shipping, keep the gun for 6 months, and make you pay to get it back still unfixed. Then you'll pay to send it away again for another 6 months, and repeat the cycle over and over until you give up and trash the gun.

James K · March 27, 2011, 01:05 AM

The Tuarus yoke screw used to be a solid screw, but that screw required hand fitting to match the crane (yoke) spindle. S&W also used a solid screw with the same problem.

Both companies changed to the spring loaded type which works as well and doesn't require hand fitting (Colt went to the spring loaded type in their DA revolvers decades ago, but of course no longer makes anything in that line).

I have heard of no problems in that area in S&W revolvers, but Taurus seems to have problems in the way they designed it or the way they make it, as I have heard of other similar complaints about Taurus revolvers. I have not had a chance to look at a Taurus to see what the problem is, but evidently there is one.

Taurus has always had spotty quality control, which is one reason I suggest avoiding them unless one has the knowledge to give a prospective purchase a thorough checkout. This looks like another item to be checked before purchasing a Taurus.

Jim

Bamashooter · March 27, 2011, 02:06 AM

Thats too bad becouse Taurus is a fine company that makes fine quality firearms at a quality price. Remember that every gun company has issues at one time or another. Im glad you wasnt in a self defense situation when your problem occured.

longlane · March 27, 2011, 08:12 AM

For clarity's sake, I was not taking the gun apart when this happened; I was merely cleaning the gun as I had approx. 4 or 5 times before.

I wish I could agree w/ you Bamashooter, but my experiences have been diametrically opposed to your own. To each his/her own, with no offense intended.

Thanks for the additional info. Jim.

Kreyzhorse · March 27, 2011, 08:33 AM

Any gun can have problems however, Taurus has more than their fair share.

I mean their guns aren't sold cheaper just because Taurus wants to make less money on them. They take short cuts to produce guns that sell for less. Their QA and design can be very poor and they sell a cheap product that is cheaply made.

I hope you do better on your next SD / HD purchase.

Double Naught Spy · March 27, 2011, 09:14 AM

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I too require absolute 100% reliability from my SD firearms.

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Then you must not have one, since no firearm (nor ammo) is 100% reliable

Got to agree with W, 100% reliability is more of a frame of mind than a mechanical reality. I have been amazed at how many times people have had 100% reliable guns that have mysteriously failed for the first time when I have been at the range while the 100% reliable guns were being shot. A couple have managed to mysteriously become 100% reliable again despite the fact that they had a problem. I am not sure how that works, but I have come to learn that guns are often 100% reliable because the guns don't malfunction, but parts of the gun break or wear out, the ammo is blamed, etc., but the gun is 100%. It is sort of like people who have had cars that have never broken down. Sure, they have had the computer go out and needed a tow, had axles break, dropped a transmission, but those parts failed, not the vehicle.

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To know that I trusted this Judge at all--ever--gives me a pause.

You may be inclined to trust any gun until which time it fails. Then the sensation of horror will start anew.

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You have been warned. This is the second and final time a taurus has let me down (last time was a plinking .22 revolver that cylinder binded-rotationally-before and after a return to Taurus).

Thanks for the warning, I think. If you had a problem in the past with the brand and you are so concerned about the care of your guns and the safety of your family, then surely you did some research before purchasing the Judge and you came to the conclusion that that Taurus line was an outstanding brand when it comes to quality and reliable guns these days, right? If you bought the gun without having reached that conclusion, then you should consider rethinking your SD gun requirements before purchasing. Based on your description, you bought the gun to fill a need without first giving consideration to whether or not it was going to be up to the task. Sure, you second glanced it a lot, but that doesn't help much after the purchase.

Mutatio Nomenis · March 27, 2011, 09:20 AM

It's an old sentiment, but you get what you pay for. If you spend $370 on a gun, then you get $370 worth of gun.

9mm · March 27, 2011, 09:32 AM

I'v heard nothing but cap with taurus gun's. I even tryed to grow a brain and trust them with buying a m94 .22lr handgun. I will never ever never buy a taurus product. I do not think I would even use a free gun if I was gifted that was made by taurus. They are too dangerous.

Oh take that back

I did fire a taurus at a rental range. The thing was crap anyways, I couldn't hit 7 yards out in center, it would hit anywhere on the target but center. I shot a friends s&w snubnose got a few headshots. That gun is amazing.

taurus is nothing but a copy cat, they make 1911's, 92fs, revolvers and all kinds of other companys guns just at cheaper prices, which MIGHT be fine I DONT KNOW! for the gun range only. But I never would use a revolver of theirs, timing will get off and could explode in your face.

I have been told 1,000's of time from people to stay away from taurus!!!

Get a ruger sp101 2inch/3inch or ruger gp100 for a bedside gun. I have heard nothing but great news from these revolvers, built like tanks. If you check this forum there is a ruger revolver thread about everyday now? lol great guns. I am really thinking about it over the s&w because they are airwight and can damage too long term exposer to shooting.

Great for pocket guns but not to be shot much, the ruger is a tank and can eat .38/.357's all day.

bluetopper · March 27, 2011, 09:42 AM

I've been the Taurus route also...................never again.

22-rimfire · March 27, 2011, 09:57 AM

I have yet to take the Taurus plunge and your experience just serves to make me more cautious. The M94 and the Judge or 45/10 would be my two more likely choices regardless of the reports of others. There was no other real option with the very successful "Judge"; now there are more choices for what it is worth. Sometimes I wonder why I would even bother with the M94 since I own Colts and Smith DA 22 revolvers, but I still would like to have first hand experience with the M94 and the Charter Arms Pathfinder.

Jbar4Ranch · March 27, 2011, 10:07 AM

That was one of the problems on the last Taurus Judge I sent in for warranty service, but this one also had the optional free spin cylinder. No lockup at all; hammer down, hammer cocked, the cylinder would spin freely in either direction.

I manage the gun room in a store of a major northwest sporting goods chain, and I send back as many Taurus revolvers as all others combined. On the other hand, I've sent back exactly ONE Taurus autoloader for a minor problem with the set screw on the sights.
If every gun store in the US is sending back as many Taurus's as we do, there must be a literal army of warranty gunsmiths at their Florida facility.

4runnerman · March 27, 2011, 10:12 AM

I would have it looked at soon.I don't want to go down the Taurus bashing road , as if all you were to take a look in all the posts right now you would see this is the only issue with Taurus, I see Ruger issue,Rem issues,SW issues,and 3 or 4 more, When i check these posts out in here.I find Taurus to have the least amount of issues posted here. I see more issues posted on all other guns over Taurus. It's as simple as looking people. Every one makes a bad apple at one time.

LouCap · March 27, 2011, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by osallent

Something wrong with a Taurus? Shocking!!!

Now you get to experience the Taurus goring. If you've ever been to Pamplona during the running of the bulls, you'd know that being gored by a bull is not fun...believe me. Taurus will gore you by making you pay for shipping, keep the gun for 6 months, and make you pay to get it back still unfixed. Then you'll pay to send it away again for another 6 months, and repeat the cycle over and over until you give up and trash the gun.

Wow, that sounds horrible. What model of Taurus did you have that caused you all of that angst? I want to make sure I stay away from that one.

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virg · March 27, 2011, 10:35 AM

I have several Taurus handguns including autos and revolvers. I have had no problems with them and shoot them regularly. To each their own I guess.

March 26, 2011, 10:17 PM	#1
longlane Senior Member Join Date: November 13, 2009 Location: South Carolina Posts: 162	Seriously terrifying experience w/ a Judge Okay, so my wife and I bought the magnum judge in the brushed stainless finish when they first came out. We wanted a kayak/canoe gun that could take on aggressive poisonous snakes (.410) or a boar (leverlution hollow points in. 45LC). It traveled in our boats in a pelican dive box and was never drawn on the water or exposed to moisture. We liked the gun for the role we wanted it to fill. We liked it enough to make it my wife's bedside SD gun for a number of reasons--including lack of overpenetration w/ the right .410 loads. I'd added a few speed loaders for .45LC and a set of nicer grips (for a tracker, from hogue). She'd shot it enough to be accurate and comfortable with it. All that said, the gun always, always, always made me give it a second glance everytime I saw it--not in a good way either. The only problem we ever had with it until today was ejecting spent shells; .410 or. 45LC in multiple brands--nearly all would stick a bit uncomfortably when trying to eject them. However, I was always careful to keep the cylinder clean to aid extraction. So, today, my wife and I decided to revisit the Judge while chatting. We decided to take it in and trade it on something else. Turned out it gave us both the willies a little bit. So, I collected together all the orig. paperwork, box, lock, grips, and speed loaders. I looked the gun over carefully; it was cherry. Not a scratch, not a ding, not a single speck of rust. It'd had less than 50 rounds through it. I decided to clean carbon/firing leavings off of it one last time for the next owner (and to land top dollar on a trade). What I'm about to type almost caused me to lose it today. I have an 8 month old child and we live a long, long way from the nearest law enforcement. I used to travel frequently overnight for work. My wife had listened to me about training with speedloaders and being prepared for intruders. If she'd done what I'd always told her to do with the Judge, the outcome could have been horrific. I went to clean the gun. I got to cylinder throat #3, and the cylinder, the swing arm, and the swing-arm pivot rod FELL OUT IN MY HAND!!! (My terms are probably not correct, but I'm not talking about the extractor--I'm talking about the actual rod that connects the cylinder and cylinder swing arm to the frame). In my right hand, the gun frame. In my left hand, the cylinder et al. I literally started shaking as the realization of what would have happened in a re-load emergency for my wife. You have been warned. This is the second and final time a taurus has let me down (last time was a plinking .22 revolver that cylinder binded-rotationally-before and after a return to Taurus). To know that I trusted this Judge at all--ever--gives me a pause. It's gone; with a warning and the warranty paperwork to a person willing to possess it in full knowledge of its flaws. I take excellent, excellent care of my firearms, as does my wife. There is simply no excuse for this sort of poor design and execution. Know that the cylinder assembly of this judge was ultimately held in by a pressed metal cap/pin on a weak spring with a cap screw holding it in (just above and forward of the side plate screw above the trigger). The threads on the screw looked awful, as did the threads in the gun frame. I don't have pics because I wanted it gone asap. I refuse to have firearms with known quality problems in my home. I gave the judge a chance. It let me down horribly. I shudder to think what could have resulted.

March 27, 2011, 12:04 AM	#8
longlane Senior Member Join Date: November 13, 2009 Location: South Carolina Posts: 162	Thanks for the info. Tom. I was unaware that Rossi shared this design. I don't own any Rossi's, but it's good to know.

March 27, 2011, 08:12 AM	#15
longlane Senior Member Join Date: November 13, 2009 Location: South Carolina Posts: 162	Details provided above. For clarity's sake, I was not taking the gun apart when this happened; I was merely cleaning the gun as I had approx. 4 or 5 times before. I wish I could agree w/ you Bamashooter, but my experiences have been diametrically opposed to your own. To each his/her own, with no offense intended. Thanks for the additional info. Jim.

March 27, 2011, 08:33 AM	#16
Kreyzhorse Senior Member Join Date: April 12, 2006 Location: NKY Posts: 12,464	Any gun can have problems however, Taurus has more than their fair share. I mean their guns aren't sold cheaper just because Taurus wants to make less money on them. They take short cuts to produce guns that sell for less. Their QA and design can be very poor and they sell a cheap product that is cheaply made. I hope you do better on your next SD / HD purchase. __________________ "He who laughs last, laughs dead." Homer Simpson

March 27, 2011, 09:20 AM	#18
Mutatio Nomenis Junior member Join Date: May 19, 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 167	It's an old sentiment, but you get what you pay for. If you spend $370 on a gun, then you get $370 worth of gun. Last edited by Mutatio Nomenis; March 27, 2011 at 11:58 AM.

March 26, 2011, 10:24 PM	#2
Deaf Smith Senior Member Join Date: October 31, 2000 Location: Texican! Posts: 4,453	Long, How did the crane and cylinder come off? Is there a screw that holds it in? S&W revolvers have a screw on the right side that keeps the cylinder crane from going forward and off the frame when you open the cylinder. I suspect the Judge's screw, if any, worked loose from shooting. If no lock tite is used any screw can do that. If it ain't gone, see if that was the problem. Deaf

March 26, 2011, 10:39 PM	#3
longlane Senior Member Join Date: November 13, 2009 Location: South Carolina Posts: 162	indeed My S&Ws are regularly checked for just this issue, but the judge screw that performs the same function is hollow, has a weak spring behind it, and the spring is capped by a far-too-thin cap that is obviously designed to lock into a detent ring on the rod. Problem in this case was two-fold: the screw threads (both frame and screw itself) were of awful quality--rough, shallow in spots, and coarse and the cap that should lock into the detent was so absurdly thin that it had somehow deformed in manufacturing and become a crumpled wad of steel. I thank you for your thoughts, and I at first had the same thought, but the screw was tight.

March 26, 2011, 10:50 PM	#4
MrDontPlay Senior Member Join Date: December 25, 2010 Posts: 587	I too require absolute 100% reliability from my SD firearms. I shoot several hundred rounds through them before I trust them. I have a shot gun under my bed right now but if someone kicks my door in I'll be reaching for a ruger, because I haven't shot the shotgun yet.

March 26, 2011, 11:38 PM	#5
.wheelgunner. Senior Member Join Date: March 22, 2011 Posts: 150	I've never owned a Taurus, will never own a Taurus, and have no desire to ever fire a Taurus. Therefore, I can't even imagine how such a thing could happen, not having ever really seen a Taurus.

March 27, 2011, 12:22 AM	#9
4runnerman Senior Member Join Date: January 16, 2010 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,577	Any further details as to why it happened?. Would this have happened had you not been taking it apart?.

March 27, 2011, 12:28 AM	#10
ripnbst Senior Member Join Date: November 24, 2010 Location: Spring, TX Posts: 1,560	I have shot a friends Taurus auto and having said that I will never own a Taurus. I haven't ever seen, held, shot one I liked.

March 27, 2011, 12:31 AM	#11
EdInk Senior Member Join Date: May 27, 2009 Posts: 3,968	Deeply troubling to hear about your Judge.

March 27, 2011, 12:42 AM	#12
osallent Senior Member Join Date: March 2, 2011 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 116	Something wrong with a Taurus? Shocking!!! Now you get to experience the Taurus goring. If you've ever been to Pamplona during the running of the bulls, you'd know that being gored by a bull is not fun...believe me. Taurus will gore you by making you pay for shipping, keep the gun for 6 months, and make you pay to get it back still unfixed. Then you'll pay to send it away again for another 6 months, and repeat the cycle over and over until you give up and trash the gun.

March 27, 2011, 01:05 AM	#13
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	The Tuarus yoke screw used to be a solid screw, but that screw required hand fitting to match the crane (yoke) spindle. S&W also used a solid screw with the same problem. Both companies changed to the spring loaded type which works as well and doesn't require hand fitting (Colt went to the spring loaded type in their DA revolvers decades ago, but of course no longer makes anything in that line). I have heard of no problems in that area in S&W revolvers, but Taurus seems to have problems in the way they designed it or the way they make it, as I have heard of other similar complaints about Taurus revolvers. I have not had a chance to look at a Taurus to see what the problem is, but evidently there is one. Taurus has always had spotty quality control, which is one reason I suggest avoiding them unless one has the knowledge to give a prospective purchase a thorough checkout. This looks like another item to be checked before purchasing a Taurus. Jim

March 27, 2011, 02:06 AM	#14
Bamashooter Senior Member Join Date: March 12, 2010 Posts: 1,860	Thats too bad becouse Taurus is a fine company that makes fine quality firearms at a quality price. Remember that every gun company has issues at one time or another. Im glad you wasnt in a self defense situation when your problem occured.

March 27, 2011, 09:32 AM	#19
9mm Senior Member Join Date: January 9, 2011 Location: Land of the Free Posts: 2,834	I'v heard nothing but cap with taurus gun's. I even tryed to grow a brain and trust them with buying a m94 .22lr handgun. I will never ever never buy a taurus product. I do not think I would even use a free gun if I was gifted that was made by taurus. They are too dangerous. Oh take that back I did fire a taurus at a rental range. The thing was crap anyways, I couldn't hit 7 yards out in center, it would hit anywhere on the target but center. I shot a friends s&w snubnose got a few headshots. That gun is amazing. taurus is nothing but a copy cat, they make 1911's, 92fs, revolvers and all kinds of other companys guns just at cheaper prices, which MIGHT be fine I DONT KNOW! for the gun range only. But I never would use a revolver of theirs, timing will get off and could explode in your face. I have been told 1,000's of time from people to stay away from taurus!!! Get a ruger sp101 2inch/3inch or ruger gp100 for a bedside gun. I have heard nothing but great news from these revolvers, built like tanks. If you check this forum there is a ruger revolver thread about everyday now? lol great guns. I am really thinking about it over the s&w because they are airwight and can damage too long term exposer to shooting. Great for pocket guns but not to be shot much, the ruger is a tank and can eat .38/.357's all day. Last edited by 9mm; March 27, 2011 at 09:41 AM.

March 27, 2011, 09:42 AM	#20
bluetopper Senior Member Join Date: December 17, 2005 Location: Northeast TX Posts: 1,214	I've been the Taurus route also...................never again.

March 27, 2011, 09:57 AM	#21
22-rimfire Senior Member Join Date: February 19, 2005 Location: Tennessee Posts: 5,323	I have yet to take the Taurus plunge and your experience just serves to make me more cautious. The M94 and the Judge or 45/10 would be my two more likely choices regardless of the reports of others. There was no other real option with the very successful "Judge"; now there are more choices for what it is worth. Sometimes I wonder why I would even bother with the M94 since I own Colts and Smith DA 22 revolvers, but I still would like to have first hand experience with the M94 and the Charter Arms Pathfinder.

March 27, 2011, 10:07 AM	#22
Jbar4Ranch Senior Member Join Date: May 20, 1999 Location: Near Helena, Montana Posts: 1,721	That was one of the problems on the last Taurus Judge I sent in for warranty service, but this one also had the optional free spin cylinder. No lockup at all; hammer down, hammer cocked, the cylinder would spin freely in either direction. I manage the gun room in a store of a major northwest sporting goods chain, and I send back as many Taurus revolvers as all others combined. On the other hand, I've sent back exactly ONE Taurus autoloader for a minor problem with the set screw on the sights. If every gun store in the US is sending back as many Taurus's as we do, there must be a literal army of warranty gunsmiths at their Florida facility. __________________ Sometimes the squeaky wheel gets replaced... SASS 47015

March 27, 2011, 10:12 AM	#23
4runnerman Senior Member Join Date: January 16, 2010 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,577	I would have it looked at soon.I don't want to go down the Taurus bashing road , as if all you were to take a look in all the posts right now you would see this is the only issue with Taurus, I see Ruger issue,Rem issues,SW issues,and 3 or 4 more, When i check these posts out in here.I find Taurus to have the least amount of issues posted here. I see more issues posted on all other guns over Taurus. It's as simple as looking people. Every one makes a bad apple at one time.

March 27, 2011, 10:35 AM	#25
virg Senior Member Join Date: September 24, 2010 Location: SE KY Posts: 131	I have several Taurus handguns including autos and revolvers. I have had no problems with them and shoot them regularly. To each their own I guess.