Saw this image and it cracked me up

Geek-With-A-Gun · November 24, 2009, 05:03 PM

Saw this in American Handgunner Magazine and I just busted out laughing:

Uncle Ben · November 24, 2009, 05:34 PM

Even at that range he'll probably still miss due to that ridiculous hold

GeekWithAGun · November 24, 2009, 06:17 PM

He needs those Glock "home-boy" sights. Nice name BTW

Geek-With-A-Gun · November 24, 2009, 09:42 PM

Wow, I thought that I would be the only one with a name like that.

Chuckusaret · November 25, 2009, 08:47 AM

I saw an individual at the local range use that shooting style. At 25 yards after 6 rounds fired the target was intact with no hits. The range safety officer gave the guy some words of wisdom, and the individual departed shortly thereafter.

Elvishead · November 25, 2009, 12:34 PM

Holding a handgun or shooting that way does have a purpose at times. It's not that funny!

Croz · November 25, 2009, 01:04 PM

That's a great picture.

I did read something the other day that recommended a "half gangsta" for one handed shooting. The argument was that if you hold an arm straight out and point forward, you hand naturally rests at about a 45 degree angle, so this is naturally the strongest position for a one handed grip. Argues that this is the steadiest way to shoot one handed.

Haven't tried it yet. Has anyone else?

riggins_83 · November 25, 2009, 01:15 PM

I wonder if these are available for muzzleloaders...

Technosavant · November 25, 2009, 01:15 PM

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I did read something the other day that recommended a "half gangsta" for one handed shooting. The argument was that if you hold an arm straight out and point forward, you hand naturally rests at about a 45 degree angle, so this is naturally the strongest position for a one handed grip. Argues that this is the steadiest way to shoot one handed.

It isn't often you shoot with your arm straight out anyway- most defensive shooters tend to use Weaver, isosceles, or modified isosceles- all involve a support hand on the gun and the gun being held closer in.

Besides, a shooter practicing for defensive situations needs to remember that people tend to be taller than they are wide. That is, a few inches high or low isn't likely to result in a miss, and it is still likely to be a good quality hit. A few inches left or right, if it isn't a miss, is not likely to be a disabling hit.

Therefore, if you are holding a gun vertically, the recoil impulse will cause muzzle flip on the vertical plane- bringing it down out of recoil for a shot with a flash sight picture will be more likely to result in a worthwhile hit than one where you're getting muzzle flip at a 45 degree angle (or worse, horizontally).

LarryFlew · November 25, 2009, 04:19 PM

Ditto, can't imagine the dance my light alloy 9mm would do held at 45. Only shot that would be on target is likely to be my first one

Bart Noir · November 25, 2009, 04:26 PM

He is using a flintlock. Maybe some people thought it would fire more reliably if it were tipped to the left. That way the powder in the pan will slide right down against the touch hole and the wind might not blow it all away. So he will avoid the fatal "flash in the pan" problem.

Well, in that fight it would be fatal if the gun didn't fire. And fatal if it did, just to the other person.

And since the gun has no sights on the top (likely) it is about as accurate when he holds it on the side.

Bart Noir

Kyo · November 25, 2009, 08:39 PM

its not half gangster. its 15 to 45 degrees to lock up your wrist naturally when you shoot one handed. and everyone should practice it.

Uncle Buck · November 26, 2009, 12:33 PM

Has anyone ever determined where the 'gangsta' style of shooting came from? I do not think I have ever read about its origins.

I do remember when I was on active duty, the city boys who went to qualify on the M-9 always had to be corrected as to how to hold it properly.
I do not ever remember having seen this occur when all we had were the old .38 revolvers...

Maybe I will try to find some info on it... Or maybe I will stuff myself so full of turkey, I'll fall asleep before I remember to do a search for info.

Walt Sherrill · November 26, 2009, 02:49 PM

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Has anyone ever determined where the 'gangsta' style of shooting came from? I do not think I have ever read about its origins.

Could it be that it mostly exists in movies about gangstas? And gangstas picked it up from watching?

(It's really a conspiracy to make them less capable shooters...)

Teuthis · November 26, 2009, 08:57 PM

Remember it is just a depiction and the artist may not have had a clue as to what he was painting. It looks dramatic but like many events and pictures one sees in art, it may just be an artist's imaginings; like sea monsters and early depictions of other sea animals. On the other hand, in a close fight, and perhaps off balance, such a desperate measure could be a life saver. If you have ever had to train to shoot from various prone positions, you would have encountered something like that.

James K · November 26, 2009, 09:33 PM

1. It is a painting. Artists sometimes are ignorant about guns.
2. It is in close combat and the man with the pistol has just avoided taking a cannon ball or charge of canister in the gut. Maybe he is not too particular about the proper hold.
3. At that range, the hold wouldn't matter, nor would the sights, such as they were at the time.
4. I am reminded of the comment on a blog that an NFL QB didn't have the proper grip on the ball when he threw a pass. Since the QB was "Big Ben" and the pass won the Super Bowl, the comment from a non-player seemed a little silly even if true.

Jim

saspic · November 27, 2009, 04:30 AM

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originally posted by Kyo
its not half gangster. its 15 to 45 degrees to lock up your wrist naturally when you shoot one handed. and everyone should practice it.

Agreed, with a normal grip, your wrist is less strained when the gun is tilted inwards.

This is why, after some experimentation, I changed the way I hold my arm.
Instead of holding my right arm with the right elbow pointed to the right side, I rotate it 90˚ clockwise.

Now my elbow points straight down. This also brings my grip of the gun from a sideways hold to a traditional vertical hold. It also brings my upper arm closer to my body so that it now contacts my chest. This is much more stable.

Try it, you might like it.

Tom2 · November 27, 2009, 08:16 AM

Looks like he is gonna stick the muzzle right up against his adversary and fire it, at that point it does not matter how you got held-and obviously there is no follow up shot so it does not matter which way it flips, there is no double tap gonna happen, and it is just a drawing. You could draw a picture of someone firing a Raven at a looming grizzley and the bear flipping backwards from the blast if you could draw, too. And if posted elsewhere, someone might believe it.

BGutzman · December 4, 2009, 05:20 PM

Holding a handgun or shooting that way does have a purpose at times. It's not that funny!

I cannot even begin to imagine a circumstance that would require one to use the "gangsta style hold"

Im glad TV encourages scum to shoot like this... Keeps cops and other honest folks safer.

kennybs plbg · December 5, 2009, 01:06 AM

"The Fastest Gun Alive" staring Glenn Ford in the 50's, had that style. It was used in many of his movies. Glenn Ford was known as one of the best with a six shooter, he needed no help from hollywood with trick photography when clearing the holster.

kenny b

Elvishead · December 5, 2009, 04:35 PM

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BGutzman

I cannot even begin to imagine a circumstance that would require one to use the "gangsta style hold"

I can.

jad0110 · December 9, 2009, 10:34 PM

... I nearly peed my pants when I came upon this one, a tacticool flintock

...

sailskidrive · December 9, 2009, 11:31 PM

That is the coolest Mall-Ninja flintlock I've ever seen!

The shooting method that I think is the most hilarious is the "punch" shot. Some jack a$$ was in the lane beside me a few weeks ago with a rental gun performing a well rehearsed and choreographed version of this stunt straight out of "Boyz and the Hood". The range officer came charging through the door "YOUR DONE!".

I can't tell you how many times at the indoor range I've been asked, "wow... do you shoot with one eye open or two?" I always respond "None, I prefer to use the Force".

~Sail

November 24, 2009, 05:03 PM	#1
Geek-With-A-Gun Member Join Date: November 22, 2009 Location: NC Posts: 61	Saw this image and it cracked me up Saw this in American Handgunner Magazine and I just busted out laughing:

November 25, 2009, 12:34 PM	#6
Elvishead Junior member Join Date: August 8, 2007 Location: Las vegas, NV Posts: 3,397	Holding a handgun or shooting that way does have a purpose at times. It's not that funny! Last edited by Elvishead; November 25, 2009 at 12:44 PM.

November 25, 2009, 01:15 PM	#8
riggins_83 Senior Member Join Date: January 19, 2009 Location: Wherever I may roam Posts: 1,515	I wonder if these are available for muzzleloaders... __________________ l've heard police work is dangerous. Yes, that's why l carry a big gun. Couldn't it go off accidentally? l used to have that problem. What did you do about it? l just think about baseball. -Leslie Nielsen

December 9, 2009, 10:34 PM	#22
jad0110 Senior Member Join Date: May 30, 2007 Posts: 761	Speaking of flint locks ... ... I nearly peed my pants when I came upon this one, a tacticool flintock ...

December 9, 2009, 11:31 PM	#23
sailskidrive Senior Member Join Date: October 26, 2008 Posts: 726	awesome... That is the coolest Mall-Ninja flintlock I've ever seen! The shooting method that I think is the most hilarious is the "punch" shot. Some jack a$$ was in the lane beside me a few weeks ago with a rental gun performing a well rehearsed and choreographed version of this stunt straight out of "Boyz and the Hood". The range officer came charging through the door "YOUR DONE!". I can't tell you how many times at the indoor range I've been asked, "wow... do you shoot with one eye open or two?" I always respond "None, I prefer to use the Force". ~Sail

November 24, 2009, 05:34 PM	#2
Uncle Ben Senior Member Join Date: January 31, 2008 Location: Southern California Posts: 400	Even at that range he'll probably still miss due to that ridiculous hold

November 24, 2009, 06:17 PM	#3
GeekWithAGun Senior Member Join Date: February 16, 2008 Location: GA Posts: 101	He needs those Glock "home-boy" sights. Nice name BTW

November 24, 2009, 09:42 PM	#4
Geek-With-A-Gun Member Join Date: November 22, 2009 Location: NC Posts: 61	Wow, I thought that I would be the only one with a name like that.

November 25, 2009, 08:47 AM	#5
Chuckusaret Junior member Join Date: December 5, 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 708	I saw an individual at the local range use that shooting style. At 25 yards after 6 rounds fired the target was intact with no hits. The range safety officer gave the guy some words of wisdom, and the individual departed shortly thereafter.

November 25, 2009, 01:04 PM	#7
Croz Senior Member Join Date: December 9, 2008 Location: Tampa, Florida Posts: 307	That's a great picture. I did read something the other day that recommended a "half gangsta" for one handed shooting. The argument was that if you hold an arm straight out and point forward, you hand naturally rests at about a 45 degree angle, so this is naturally the strongest position for a one handed grip. Argues that this is the steadiest way to shoot one handed. Haven't tried it yet. Has anyone else?

November 25, 2009, 04:19 PM	#10
LarryFlew Senior Member Join Date: June 15, 2009 Location: Minnesota CZ fan Posts: 902	Ditto, can't imagine the dance my light alloy 9mm would do held at 45. Only shot that would be on target is likely to be my first one

November 25, 2009, 04:26 PM	#11
Bart Noir Senior Member Join Date: August 6, 2000 Location: Puget Sound, USA Posts: 2,215	He is using a flintlock. Maybe some people thought it would fire more reliably if it were tipped to the left. That way the powder in the pan will slide right down against the touch hole and the wind might not blow it all away. So he will avoid the fatal "flash in the pan" problem. Well, in that fight it would be fatal if the gun didn't fire. And fatal if it did, just to the other person. And since the gun has no sights on the top (likely) it is about as accurate when he holds it on the side. Bart Noir

November 25, 2009, 08:39 PM	#12
Kyo Senior Member Join Date: April 14, 2009 Posts: 897	its not half gangster. its 15 to 45 degrees to lock up your wrist naturally when you shoot one handed. and everyone should practice it.

November 26, 2009, 12:33 PM	#13
Uncle Buck Senior Member Join Date: June 21, 2009 Location: West Central Missouri Posts: 2,592	Has anyone ever determined where the 'gangsta' style of shooting came from? I do not think I have ever read about its origins. I do remember when I was on active duty, the city boys who went to qualify on the M-9 always had to be corrected as to how to hold it properly. I do not ever remember having seen this occur when all we had were the old .38 revolvers... Maybe I will try to find some info on it... Or maybe I will stuff myself so full of turkey, I'll fall asleep before I remember to do a search for info.

November 26, 2009, 08:57 PM	#15
Teuthis Senior Member Join Date: April 9, 2008 Location: Southern Arizona Posts: 537	Remember it is just a depiction and the artist may not have had a clue as to what he was painting. It looks dramatic but like many events and pictures one sees in art, it may just be an artist's imaginings; like sea monsters and early depictions of other sea animals. On the other hand, in a close fight, and perhaps off balance, such a desperate measure could be a life saver. If you have ever had to train to shoot from various prone positions, you would have encountered something like that.

November 26, 2009, 09:33 PM	#16
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	1. It is a painting. Artists sometimes are ignorant about guns. 2. It is in close combat and the man with the pistol has just avoided taking a cannon ball or charge of canister in the gut. Maybe he is not too particular about the proper hold. 3. At that range, the hold wouldn't matter, nor would the sights, such as they were at the time. 4. I am reminded of the comment on a blog that an NFL QB didn't have the proper grip on the ball when he threw a pass. Since the QB was "Big Ben" and the pass won the Super Bowl, the comment from a non-player seemed a little silly even if true. Jim

November 27, 2009, 08:16 AM	#18
Tom2 Senior Member Join Date: June 23, 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 5,676	Looks like he is gonna stick the muzzle right up against his adversary and fire it, at that point it does not matter how you got held-and obviously there is no follow up shot so it does not matter which way it flips, there is no double tap gonna happen, and it is just a drawing. You could draw a picture of someone firing a Raven at a looming grizzley and the bear flipping backwards from the blast if you could draw, too. And if posted elsewhere, someone might believe it.

December 4, 2009, 05:20 PM	#19
BGutzman Senior Member Join Date: December 4, 2009 Location: Frozen Tundra Posts: 2,414	Holding a handgun or shooting that way does have a purpose at times. It's not that funny! I cannot even begin to imagine a circumstance that would require one to use the "gangsta style hold" Im glad TV encourages scum to shoot like this... Keeps cops and other honest folks safer.

December 5, 2009, 01:06 AM	#20
kennybs plbg Senior Member Join Date: May 27, 2004 Location: Hemet, Ca. Posts: 524	"The Fastest Gun Alive" staring Glenn Ford in the 50's, had that style. It was used in many of his movies. Glenn Ford was known as one of the best with a six shooter, he needed no help from hollywood with trick photography when clearing the holster. kenny b