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Smallest 45 ACP
hello
all you professionals out there. I'm looking for the smallest dependable 45ACP you can buy, who knows what that might be? ![]() I want it for a pocket carry. |
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I've done a lot of research, because that is my caliber of choice for concealed carry. I never found a "Pocket Pistol" in .45acp. I carry a Glock G36, and I did consider the Kahr. I'm interested to see if there is a "Pocket Pistol" in .45 acp that is a reliable firearm. I'm thinking the smaller 1911's produced by the likes of Kimber are the smallest your going to find other than a Derringer. Maybe????
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I believe this is the "smallest".
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AK103K,
Who makes that, and where can one get one. |
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#7 |
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That looks like a Downsizer 45acp. I dont know were to get one. Try gunbroker
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#8 |
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Yup, Downsizer. Like ar15chase said, try Gunbroker. I dont think they are being made anymore.
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#9 |
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OK. I did a search here, and I've decided that the Downsizer is not of any interest to me.
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#10 |
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Join Date: May 15, 2008
Location: Louisville, KY
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Para P10 or warthog.
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Easy question
Difficult answer
Semmerling 45 ACP A 24 oz, 5 Shot double-action only all-steel 45 ACP with a modified "Blow-Forward" action. The blow forward was considered by many to be a joke, an exercise in an engineering curiosity because it could not be made to function as a semi-automatic, but in the production gun was manually operated. A great backup gun, it was less than an inch wide and 5.2 inches long. Inside that 5.2 inches, though (and this was the genius of the blow forward action) was a 3.45" barrel. I found one in a in a store specializing in Law Enforcement gear last year. Price, $2,000 as I recall. If you want a man-stopper in a 5.2" x 3.7" x .85" package, this is it. Lost Sheep P.S. OK, I stand corrected. I did not see AK103K's post before answering. (And I forgot the WWII "Liberator", too). I want to see one of those "Downsizers". THAT is something! Last edited by Lost Sheep; April 8, 2009 at 03:16 AM. Reason: Add the postscript. |
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Get a free Downsizer WSP
skidmark had an interesting post on this thread about the downsizer
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...d.php?t=229949 or, if the link doesn't work, use this address thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229949 and apparantly has made quite a bit of pocket change because of the difficulty in prducing fast (or even slow) followup shots. Apparantly even the manufacturer recommends a rate of fire no greater than 5 times per day. Using the gun as a betting device, from his testimony, he has paid for the gun almost twice over (less two payouts and the cost of ammunition) because of the difficulty of 1) reloading and 2) tolerating a second shot. read his post. It is fascinating, and he is a better writer than I am. I have often said, "Nobody flinches on the FIRST shot. However, the company that produced the Downsizer is gone now. But there is good news. There is another gun with the same operating method, but obviously better executed with superior ergonomics known as the "Palm Pistol" in 9mm and designed for persons with weakened hands (old age or other infirmity for example) who nevertheless feel the need for a minimum of personal protection in the form of a firearm. http://www.palmpistol.com/ Lost Sheep |
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small .45
The AMT Backup is pretty small. There are a few at Gunbroker.
There was another gun - unfortunately the name escapes me - quite expensive and very small - that looked like a semi-auto but was not; it had a slide that was manually operated by the shooter's thumb after each shot. I saw one once at my range. It seemed to jam a lot - though it was a first outing with a new shooter. Pete
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hmm
depends on price - and finding a pocket 45... well...
These would be wise choices in small 45s: Colt New Agent (IF you can find it) $850+/- (no external sights to catch- has a groove center slide for sight - which forces you to aim in a manner that you probably would in a self defense situation...) Colt Defender $850+ and up The Para-Ord Hawg/Warthog - (FYI check the grips, if big or even medium handed, the grips are not quite long enough IMHO) $800 and up (Slim Hawg to even better concealment - at a cost of rounds carried in gun... at a price of $1000 up) Under $400 - Bersa Thunder Ultra Compact Pro (yes, it is possible to get a reliable gun for under $400.) Not a fan of single shots like the Palm pistol - and it is not out on the market yet... The lowest shot number is 6+1 of all listed. The Colts are 7+1, the Hawgs are typically in the 6+1, 7+1, and even have 8+1, and up to 13+1... but by then are getting a little big... The Bersa is a 7+1, and is the easiest to break down and clean.... The Colt New Agent is my next purchase - as It is close to a pocket gun a Colt has, and it does not have the sights to get caught on clothing when drawn. Remember the smaller the gun, the less the magazine holds... Last edited by HvyMtl; April 8, 2009 at 12:57 PM. |
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My Kahr PM45 is a 5+1. It's been a good little gun since the factory returned it.
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I carry my RELIABLE Glock 36 in my right front pocket. Guess it would depend what type of pants you choose to wear as to what you can conceal in pocket carry.
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Worth a look...
I have one and absolutely love it.
![]() http://www.gunblast.com/Taurus-PT145.htm http://www.taurususa.com/products/pr...ategory=Pistol Caliber: .45 ACP Capacity: 10+1 Barrel Length: 3.25" Action: DA/SA Finish: Blue Steel Grips: Checkered Polymer Weight: 22.2 oz Construction: Polymer/Steel Frame: Compact Front Sight: Heinie Rear Sight: Straight-8 Trigger Type: Smooth Length: 6.125" Width: 1.25" Height: 5.125" Rate of Twist: 1:16" Grooves: 6 Safety: Firing Pin Block,Manual Safety,Manual Safety,Trigger Block UPC: 7-25327-31133-1 Order #: 1-145031P MSRP: $436.00 Good luck! |
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#19 |
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Join Date: January 26, 2008
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detonics combat master is another small 1911 .45acp
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