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Join Date: October 12, 1999
Location: Longmont, CO, USA
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(CO) Boys punished for shooting imaginary aliens with their fingers
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drm...145302,00.html
Game lands boys in trouble School punishes kids for pretend shooting By Robert Sanchez, News Staff Writer May 14, 2002 CENTENNIAL -- Charles Andrew remembers walking into Dry Creek Elementary School and finding his son alone in the foyer, sobbing and clutching a tissue. Ten-year-old Connor got in trouble at school, and the boy was sure he would be punished. After all, the school's principal wanted his dad to pick him up early. "He was just sitting there," Andrew, 42, said of his son, a fourth-grader. "I worried about what happened." The incident and ensuing detention all stemmed from a playground game of army-and-aliens -- Connor and six other boys rolled on the ground and pretended to shoot creatures, using their fingers as pretend weapons. At least one other student and a playground monitor thought the March 25 game displayed "violent and aggressive behavior," said Mary Terch, executive director of elementary education for Cherry Creek Schools. All seven boys were brought inside to meet with Principal Darci Mickle. The game violated the school's zero-tolerance policy against violence, she told them. The students signed an agreement earlier in the year saying they would follow school safety rules. They would have to be punished. "Then Mickle asked my son if we had guns in our home," said Kristine Kinney, the mother of another student, Jorge Marquez, 10. "It's none of their business if we have a gun. "These are good boys," she said. "My son gets detention and I have to tell him that he didn't do anything wrong. That's confusing for a child." Mickle did not return a call seeking comment, but Terch confirmed that the principal asked the children whether their parents had firearms in their homes. The school acted appropriately, Terch said, adding that Mickle "had to discern the level of threat against students and staff." "These students crossed the line," Terch said. "From what I heard, the play was very dramatic. They were rolling around . . . and it demonstrated a level of aggression." But the boys' parents said the incident is an example of post-Columbine-zero-tolerance run amok. State law determines required expulsions for certain violations, such as when students bring weapons or firearm replicas to school. Districts have leeway in other cases. "I don't really see children pointing their fingers at aliens as being a gun issue," said Arnie Grossman, co-president of the gun-control group SAFE Colorado. "There's no real threat. All of us played cops and robbers when we were young." All seven children missed recess for a week as part of their punishment. Andrew, a sales representative, said his son endured students' jokes and dirty looks. Connor asked to stay home from school. "He was so upset, and we all know he's not a troublemaker," Andrew said. "I feel like I've lost control over the lessons I want to teach my son." |
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Join Date: February 16, 1999
Location: GA
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The brainwashing of Americas youth by government schools continues!
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Join Date: January 9, 2002
Location: Gothenburg, Sweden
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That is just plain WRONG!
Something has gone terribly, horribly wrong with the interpretation of zero-tolerance policies. Kids should be allowed to be kids - who hasn't run around with a stick playing 'war' during his childhood? |
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Join Date: June 15, 1999
Location: Ohio
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Dry Creek Elementary School
Attn: Principal Darci Mickle 7686 East Hinsdale Avenue Centennial, Colorado 80112 (720) 554-3300 FAX (303) 770-1693Ê http://www.dry.ccsd.k12.co.us I believe that I'll be faxing her a letter in support of young Connor Andrew. This zero-tolerance crap has gone too far. Those boy did nothing wrong. Where's the victim of their "so-called" violence?
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Join Date: December 4, 2001
Location: utah
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HOMESCHOOL !!
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Join Date: November 8, 2001
Location: MA
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Join Date: August 10, 2000
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Join Date: March 20, 2001
Location: Florida
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I am genuinely worried about what kind of generation we are raising these days. Any kid with individuality or initiative is either drugged into a conformist stupor or the entire weight of the System comes down on his individualistic butt like a ton of bricks until he becomes a good little conformist Prole like the rest of his drone classmates. We may acheive what Stalin could only dream of: the willing SELF-SUBJUGATION of an entire populace to the iron will of the State. ![]() |
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Join Date: November 21, 2001
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Growing up my friends and I used to have multi-day war extravaganzas involving "guns' (sticks, squirt guns, BB Guns) and "grenades" (green pinecones, dirt clumps, rocks). These were always team events and I spent many long days in hand-dug foxholes carefully camouflaged by yours truly. When someone contested how "dead" they were, a scuffle would usually break out. If you were "dead" you had to sit things out for a while, which was more agonizing than school. Eventually one team would win. Then it started all over again until enough families were on vacation that you couldn't get a team together. Then we played tag until a few got back.
We learned a lot from this. It never occurred to me that we might have been displaying abnormal "signs of aggression". What happened to "boys will be boys"? I honestly believe that we might not be doing the best thing by trying to stem every sign of aggression in children. It is a natural part of mammals that probably shouldn't get cooked of our gene pool out anytime soon. What if the aliens come? They can cause all the trouble they want with assurance that our children will smile and offer them a flower. |
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Join Date: October 26, 2001
Location: Dallas area
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good grief. our schools have so little respect for children that they think the kids don't know the difference between playing and reality?
granted there may be confusion for *some*, but i have to think that those *some* now, as when i was a kid, are *very* few. |
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Join Date: May 6, 2002
Location: Small cave outside Atlanta,Ga
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I'd have to tell them that they REALLY don't want to see a "level of aggression" and that I was taking my kid out of their sorry, "afraid to think and make a real decision" school and putting them where they could learn something useful instead of all of this govt. induced, PC BS!!!!!
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Join Date: March 11, 2000
Location: Cobb County, Georgia, USA, near the Big Chicken
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Finger-gun families win small victory
First, here are links to two other TFL threads on this:
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...hreadid=113703 http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...hreadid=113341 Now, here's today's Wash. Times update on the story: http://www.washtimes.com/national/20020527-28337062.htm Quote:
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Join Date: September 14, 2001
Location: KC, KS
Posts: 183
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Yet another reason to homeschool
1st grade period 1 : fieldstripping your firearms 101 period 2 : the truth behind the constitution period 3 : conversational tactics to combat liberal ignorance period 4 : hand to hand combat lunch period 5 : advanced mathmatics period 6 : engineering basics period 7 : computer aided design period 8 : reloading and munitions handling |
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Join Date: February 18, 1999
Location: Arizona
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I do believe there is no such thing as "Psychological" safety.
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Join Date: May 10, 2002
Location: SE Pennsylvaina.. too damn close to philly
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