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Old October 28, 2017, 12:07 PM   #1
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Picked up a wall hanger... (more pics added)

Because it amused me.

I'm not sure if it's the 200+/- year old handiwork of someone's great-great-great-great-great-great grandfather bubba (give or take a great or two), or just good old American ingenuity.

Perhaps Elmer Fudd's ancestor got the end of his barrel blown to smithereens by a carrot stuck in the end, and he cut it down to "fix" it, or it's someone making themselves a maneuverable home defense gun, or Buffalo gun, or Coach gun. You decide!

It started life as a 1700's smoothbore flintlock musket, or maybe a flintlock fowler, as near as I can tell. Anyone here care to make another guess, or a more educated guess than me? There are no markings anywhere on it. The barrel now measures 15 7/8", with a total overall length of the gun coming in at approx. 31 1/2" long.





They added a front sight after it was cut down.







It looks as though someone used the end of the barrel as a battering ram. The outside diameter of the barrel is about 7/8".


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Old October 28, 2017, 12:10 PM   #2
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Couple more pics. This is going up above the fireplace with a couple other antiques.



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Old October 28, 2017, 12:55 PM   #3
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Looks like somebody's military musket cut way back.

One term for unusually short muzzleloaders is "canoe gun."
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Old October 28, 2017, 01:38 PM   #4
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That's a term I don't recall hearing before. Googled it, and another similar term came up too. Blanket gun, not that I think this is one.
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Old October 28, 2017, 01:55 PM   #5
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I'd fix it up, charge it with buck, and stick it next to the bed. No use in having a gun you can't use. Would make a fearsome defender.
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Old October 28, 2017, 02:14 PM   #6
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I don't know that it is safe to fire. I'd want to at least break it down first and check the barrel to make sure there's no damage to it anywhere.
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Old October 28, 2017, 08:23 PM   #7
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It wasn't military with that trigger guard and single lock screw. Probably a fowler.
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Old October 28, 2017, 09:14 PM   #8
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Looks like scavenged parts were used to assemble it. That was not unusual back then. The buttplate looks like it came off a Bess and the lock from somewhere else. Dunno about that triggerguard (I'm away from my library right now).
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Old October 28, 2017, 09:44 PM   #9
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I'd fix it up, charge it with buck, and stick it next to the bed. No use in having a gun you can't use. Would make a fearsome defender.
It is a flintlock, so I wouldn't do that. Were it a percussion... yeah.
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Old October 28, 2017, 10:24 PM   #10
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Certainly will be a conversation piece hanging on a wall. Where’d you get it?
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Old October 28, 2017, 11:18 PM   #11
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It was on consignment at a shop that specializes in British sporting guns and accessories.

Good comments, guys. Thanks. I don't know much about flintlocks, and even less about this piece. I haven't tried taking it apart yet. Are there any additional pictures I could take that would help?
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Old October 29, 2017, 10:13 AM   #12
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Looks like scavenged parts were used to assemble it. That was not unusual back then. The buttplate looks like it came off a Bess and the lock from somewhere else. Dunno about that triggerguard (I'm away from my library right now).
After looking at Brown Bess butt plates, this one doesn't look anything like it. The top part is much shorter than what is on the end of the butt stock.



You may be right about the scavenged parts though.

The butt plate isn't quite flush at the bottom.



Here's a closer up view of the triggerguard.


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Old October 29, 2017, 02:09 PM   #13
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Closer picture of the lock, with what little detail it has left to it.



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Old October 29, 2017, 05:19 PM   #14
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That is way too cool!

I've considered a barrel like that for my Lyman. Either a 28 ga or .54 cal from 16-20" possibly. Just seems as though it would be handy for hunting in thick stuff.
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The butt plate doesn't fit right because somebody sanded the stock down.
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Old October 29, 2017, 08:29 PM   #16
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Yep, it's not a Bess butt plate. Let me check when I get home because the plates varied as the Bess evolved. They got simplier.
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Old October 29, 2017, 08:32 PM   #17
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The butt plate doesn't fit right because somebody sanded the stock down.
If it was sanded, it was a very long time ago.

Could it be a mixmaster, and that was "close enough"? (or maybe they cut a little off the end of the butt stock?)

I tried to get the buttplate off tonight, and those screws weren't budging with out damaging the screw heads.

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Old October 29, 2017, 09:22 PM   #18
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First thought....that it is an early "Punt Gun"....cut down...
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Old October 29, 2017, 09:27 PM   #19
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First thought....that it is an early "Punt Gun"....cut down...
Punt guns are HUGE. Over 8 feet long, and much larger diameter barrel.

Matter of fact, the same place where I got this had one. It had just been sold and was waiting for the buyer to arrange shipping.
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Old October 29, 2017, 10:36 PM   #20
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I've got an all original P53 Enfield that was sanded down like that. A lot of people don't think about wood to metal fit when they get out sandpaper and go to work. They just want to get rid of blemishes and when they put it back together it doesn't match.
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Old October 30, 2017, 07:46 AM   #21
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A most unusual piece. I wonder what it was used for? (trapping/ behind the bar maybe?)
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