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Old July 9, 2014, 09:31 PM   #1
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Out of state ccw

In the course of my daily gun stuff Internet time I came across an ad for Arizona concealed carry and it stated that I could get an Arizona ccw and it would be good in 29 states. I could qualify online in less than an hour and have my Arizona ccw mailed to me. Now I live in Ohio and they require 12 hours of training here. I have 2 young kids and don't have that kinda time but I want to be secure. Is this out of state ccw the way to go? Or should I just get my ohio ccw? Thanks for your input.
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Old July 9, 2014, 09:58 PM   #2
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Since you are an Ohio resident you need to check Ohio law. Some States will require that a resident obtain a resident CCW and will not honor an out-of-state CCW for a resident.

And even though it's a burden, time and money spent on training is well spent and will increase your sense of security.
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Old July 9, 2014, 09:59 PM   #3
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Most of the time you will need a CCW in your state of residence. IIRC

As an example i have a nevada CCW but live in Colorado. I have to have a Colorado CCW to carry in Colorado.

Having multiple out of state permits does help with reciprocity as some states recognize certian states permits but not others
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Old July 10, 2014, 12:04 AM   #4
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According to , Ohio recognizes non-resident permits from Arizona. They have a link to the actual reciprocity agreement, so I recommend reading it and being certain that you understand it.

In general, states don't like their own residents using other, easier states to get around their own licensing requirements. It's one thing for Ohio to say they would recognize a resident of Kansas carrying in Ohio on an Arizona permit. It might be different for an Ohio resident carrying in Ohio on an Arizona permit.

On the face of it, though, it appears that the AZ permit is good to go for anyone and everyone.
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Old July 10, 2014, 09:48 AM   #5
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It's one thing for Ohio to say they would recognize a resident of Kansas carrying in Ohio on an Arizona permit. It might be different for an Ohio resident carrying in Ohio on an Arizona permit.
Something to check into before going through the process. An example: GA accepts non-resident AZ licenses, but only from non-GA residents.

Also, AZ does (or did) require some training, but it could be something as simple as a Hunter Education Certification.
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Old July 10, 2014, 04:08 PM   #6
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Thanks for all the info. I think I'll just take the Ohio class and get my Ohio ccw that way I know I'm legit.
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Old July 10, 2014, 04:56 PM   #7
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I also suggest checking with local laws/regs as others have shared. Personally, I have been in states, in the past, that did allow non-res permits/licenses, and I have done so. I mean it was less monies for the non-res license/permits, and I was traveling at the time.

Today, I do not travel much, and where I reside, I have a lifetime CCW, and according to what I have read on the link provided above, and speaking with LEO's and such, I am legal elsewhere.

Keep in mind, with no disrespect to LEO, the fact of the matter is, with so many laws, it is darn difficult for LEO to know what is what. Keep it simple, and be civil and polite to LEO. This also covers your rear-end in the event something becomes serious.

Also, if matters come to worse, a jury of one's peers, does not mean 12 folks that think, believe in, raised the way you were, or vote as you do, etc.

Meaning cover your butt, playing the legal game, and have a resident permit/license. This does not mean one cannot later get a non-res.

About a month or so ago, the last of many non-res permits I had, expired. I let them all (non-res) expire. I just have the lifetime, a simple card, with no picture in my wallet.

Good thing, as the older I get, the uglier I get and the non-res one with picture...reminded just how old I am getting, and uglier with age.
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Old July 10, 2014, 05:04 PM   #8
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12 hours is not much training when you think about the gravity involved in taking a life. Take the course! Then take some more courses. You can never be too knowledgeable when you decide to pull that trigger.

What part of Ohio are you in? Here somebody who is passionate about CCW has a $45 course that's completed on one weekend. (Wadsworth, OH) You take the 13 hour class on Sat, and then you do your range time on Sunday, or the following Sunday. The class was great, and kept my interest the whole time.
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Old July 10, 2014, 08:03 PM   #9
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Hey Tim. I'm from the Dayton area. And I only have Saturdays off. There is a range in vandalia that has a one day class every other Saturday. It's about double that price but it'll be worth it to get er done in one day.
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For reference if people search this thread in the future...

An oft-overlooked pitfall to concealed carry with an out-of-state non-resident license is that a licensee is ONLY exempt from the federal GFSZA when he/she is physically within the state that issued the license.
Originally Posted by 18 U.S.C. § 922(q)(2)(A)(ii)
(2)(A) It shall be unlawful for any individual knowingly to possess a firearm that has moved in or that otherwise affects interstate or foreign commerce at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone.
(B) Subparagraph (A) does not apply to the possession of a firearm—
(i) [omitted]
(ii) if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do so by the State in which the school zone is located or a political subdivision of the State, and the law of the State or political subdivision requires that, before an individual obtains such a license, the law enforcement authorities of the State or political subdivision verify that the individual is qualified under law to receive the license...
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Old July 12, 2014, 07:43 AM   #11
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With Iowa and Utah permits I can carry in most places.
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Old July 14, 2014, 03:34 PM   #12
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If you can't devote 12 hours to training, you need to seriously question how competent you'll be to carry. The legal knowledge, judgement, and skills to respond to a situation that may require you to kill someone deserve more than half a day's consideration.

Now, if you are already well-trained for using a pistol in defensive situations and know the laws applicable to where you intend to carry, that's different. If you have a solid understanding of the law, tactics, and practice well, the class is just a method of proving to others that you already are responsible.
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Old July 14, 2014, 05:22 PM   #13
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Eazyeach, I would still go for the AZ permit since it will get you covered in a few other states in the event you travel out of state. AZ also gets you GA, WI, and TX.
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Old July 17, 2014, 11:08 AM   #14
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Since, the OP has quite reasonably decided to get a local permit, all is well.

I would add that if you lived in state X and got a state Y permit because it is 'easier', that might not look good for you in two ways.

1. It might be brought up as something about your character or attitude if you landed in court.

2. If you get stopped for a traffic violation, sometimes the license convinces the law that you are not the worst person. If you have some 'go-around' to your state permit, you might look like a wise-guy and get a ticket.
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Old July 23, 2014, 08:55 AM   #15
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If you can't devote 12 hours to training, you need to seriously question how competent you'll be to carry.

The OP did state that there are two small children, and sometimes being in the care of our two, taking 20 minutes is like asking for 2 weeks vacation. Meaning it is very hard to find that kind of time with kids if working also and maybe single parent with no family to cover and on budget.

The cost of the permit will double or triple as you have to pay someone sit for 12 hours at 15/hr - but with transit that will be more like 15 hours etc.

Not an easy prospect.
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Old July 23, 2014, 09:22 AM   #16
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Since the OP has reached a decision, there's no need to continue this discussion.
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