Need Info>>Ben Shostle engraved model 66

Bgoody · January 23, 2014, 12:21 AM

Hello, I'm new to the whole "forum" thing. Didn't know where else to turn for some info on an engraved S&W model 66. Engraved by Ben Shostle. I came across this gun about 4-5 years ago. Got it for $1100 I believe. Looking for any info on the engraver, and value. I have no intentions of selling but am just curious if I paid too much, or got a good deal . I will try to post a pic if I can figure it out. Any info is greatly appreciated!

Bgoody · January 23, 2014, 08:52 AM

Here are the pics of the gun. Finally figured out how to post them.

Sevens · January 23, 2014, 03:45 PM

I'm no expert, but at least your thread gets bumped to the top with my reply!

Generally speaking, engraving on firearms typically only raises the "collector value" when the engraving was done from the manufacturing factory and as originally ordered in the original production of the gun. Typically, such engraving was offered many years ago and not so much recently. Due to the time, care, skill, etc involved, it has -NEVER- been a low-cost "option" and anything that cost more originally makes the firearm worth more now. Also tends to make them more rare since so few people could justify the (sometimes nearly irrational!) cost associated with it.

Bottom line is that typically, a firearm that's been engraved outside of the factory and wasn't typically ordered and shipped by the manufacturer as such is simply ornamental and has value only to a buyer who... likes it.

And, perhaps even more of a bummer, if the firearm was one that was highly collectible in the first place, aftermarket engraving well outside of the original manufacturer absolutely hurts the collectible value.

It's very much like a rookie baseball card of a superstar player... with an autograph on it. Those who don't know collectible cards think "WOW!" and those who do know collectible cards think "ugh...!" as the signature just destroys the collectible value of the card.

You don't have a 1930s-era Smith & Wesson Registered Magnum, so your engraving didn't attack the collectible value of a rare gun, but if it wasn't ordered as such from Smith & Wesson and shipped from S&W with that engraving (able to be proven as such with a S&W factory letter from Roy Jinks) then your engraving is, well, not helping the "collectible" value of the revolver.

To the right buyer who enjoys that sort of thing, it may garner serious interest. But generally speaking, it's a Model 66 with aftermarket engraving.

Now I know less than squat about engraving, but even an ultra-quick search on the name "Ben Shostle" suggests that the man was extremely well known and respected in his field, and his work is sought after. So that's excellent news, for the value of the revolver and for piece of mind for what you spent.

DaleA · January 23, 2014, 04:01 PM

Yikes! Beautiful work!!! Personally not my cup of tea but I can look at it and appreciate it even if I wouldn't buy it. I don't think you could go wrong by calling it a 'work of art'.

I can't see how $1100 would be too much for it. I'm guessing it's worth a lot more now but I'll defer to the folk that know about these things.

glenncal1 · January 23, 2014, 04:06 PM

Bgoody- post at Smith-wessonforum.com someone there will probably know a lot more about the engraver and collectability.

Bgoody · January 23, 2014, 06:34 PM

Thank you very much for the responses. I bought the gun simply because I thought of it as a work of art. I love the engraving. I have done some research on Shostle and found some interesting info. Also found that his work is very sought after. I was just curious if anyone knew a little more about value. I plan on getting it appraised and insured since Mr. Ben Shostle passed in 2006. If anyone knows who to contact for an appraisal any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again for the responses.

Sharpsdressed Man · January 23, 2014, 09:43 PM

His work is/was highly regarded. He used very deep, full relief engraving, removing a lot of metal, but doing it very artistically, almost like carving, which made him almost unique in the engraving field. Very time consuming. I'm going to guess your gun could easily be worth $2500-$3000 to a Shostle collector. More pictures would be nice, then everyone could see the detail.

Bgoody · January 23, 2014, 11:06 PM

Ok here's a few more pics. The engraving on this gun is amazing, especially when you realize it was all done by hand. Here you go!!

Series70 · January 23, 2014, 11:06 PM

FWIW, here's a 6-year-old closed auction featuring a Ben Shostle Model 57 which went for $2900. You may have a real investment there.

http://www.gunauction.com/search/dis...temnum=8011153

Bgoody · January 23, 2014, 11:11 PM

Here's a few more

Baba Louie · January 23, 2014, 11:42 PM

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...curious if I paid too much, or got a good deal

More like a GREAT deal. Just do a google image search with his name!

Shostle was THE Founder and former president of the FEGA... understand? He was one of, if not THE, very best at that particular art form.

...paid too much?!?! (grumble, sanafrazzin' lucky bastige, wish I may wish I might...)

It is beautiful. Thank you for sharing those photos Bgoody.

Contact Brian Powley or one of the FEGA master engravers for an approximate value.

How's it shoot?

Bgoody · January 24, 2014, 12:48 AM

LOL, never shot it......probably never will. I know that's a cardinal sin in some people's book, but I just can't bring myself to pull the trigger. You wouldn't happen to have a number or email to Brian Powley would you??? I usually buy guns to actually shoot, but I know nothing about engraved guns. I'm just thankful I was in the right place, at the right time, with the right amount of money on hand....

. Thanks for all the responses and interest, God Bless!

Bill DeShivs · January 24, 2014, 02:26 PM

It won't hurt a thing to shoot it, should you want.
Very nice gun, beautiful engraving by a master engraver. You got a great deal, and it will increase in value.

Sevens · January 24, 2014, 02:34 PM

Quote:

It won't hurt a thing to shoot it, should you want.

With every shot you fire, there will be powder residue on the revolver. There is no way that I can conjure to avoid that. None.

You'll be wanting to remove that filth, film and residue.

You'll then be cleaning that hand-done art work, with whatever method you employ. At the very least, you'll be needing/attempting to rub a film of residue -OFF- deeply engraved metal, in every nook & cranny. You may be using a solvent also.

For the price of a working K-frame Magnum, I think it's a lousy idea.

Sevens · January 24, 2014, 02:35 PM

You'll also be dragging a cylinder line around the circumference of the highly done cylinder, even with simple dry firing.

On this revolver?

micromontenegro · January 24, 2014, 02:58 PM

Just to state the obvious: It's a beauty!

Bgoody · January 24, 2014, 04:13 PM

Yeah there's no way I will ever fire it. Never intended to when I bought it. It could use a good cleaning, although I don't have anything other than regular hoppes solvent. I dont know if that is good or bad for it. I will probably just take it to a gunsmith friend and see what he thinks. Thanks for the compliments. I have come across auctions of Shostles engravings and noticed that most of them have certificates with them signed by Mr. Shostle. I know I can't get the actual signature anymore since he passed, but does anyone know if there is a way to get a certificate of authenticity? Or how to get in touch with FEGA? Thanks again!

Sharpsdressed Man · January 24, 2014, 04:39 PM

It's stainless. That means you can use common kitchen sink stainless cleaner (I think I used Zud one time, long ago) to remove the fire blackening on the front of the cylinder. Then you can easily buff off the drag line unless it gets TOO deep. That engraving is so deep, removing the drag without damaging the engraving would be child's play for a gun finisher.

Bill DeShivs · January 24, 2014, 06:03 PM

As a hand engraver, I don't recommend home refinishing of engraved guns. Any common gun cleaning solvents will work on the gun safely. If there is blackening in the background of the engraving, make sure you just wipe the surface with solvent-as the solvent can remove the blackening.

Sharpsdressed Man · January 24, 2014, 07:31 PM

Engravers sometimes use black ink, or some other medium, rubbed into the engraved portion of the gun to contrast the smooth areas. It shows off the engraving more. It is easily replaced.

January 23, 2014, 12:21 AM	#1
Bgoody Junior Member Join Date: January 22, 2014 Posts: 8	Need Info>>Ben Shostle engraved model 66 Hello, I'm new to the whole "forum" thing. Didn't know where else to turn for some info on an engraved S&W model 66. Engraved by Ben Shostle. I came across this gun about 4-5 years ago. Got it for $1100 I believe. Looking for any info on the engraver, and value. I have no intentions of selling but am just curious if I paid too much, or got a good deal . I will try to post a pic if I can figure it out. Any info is greatly appreciated!

January 23, 2014, 03:45 PM	#3
Sevens Senior Member Join Date: July 28, 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 11,756	I'm no expert, but at least your thread gets bumped to the top with my reply! Generally speaking, engraving on firearms typically only raises the "collector value" when the engraving was done from the manufacturing factory and as originally ordered in the original production of the gun. Typically, such engraving was offered many years ago and not so much recently. Due to the time, care, skill, etc involved, it has -NEVER- been a low-cost "option" and anything that cost more originally makes the firearm worth more now. Also tends to make them more rare since so few people could justify the (sometimes nearly irrational!) cost associated with it. Bottom line is that typically, a firearm that's been engraved outside of the factory and wasn't typically ordered and shipped by the manufacturer as such is simply ornamental and has value only to a buyer who... likes it. And, perhaps even more of a bummer, if the firearm was one that was highly collectible in the first place, aftermarket engraving well outside of the original manufacturer absolutely hurts the collectible value. It's very much like a rookie baseball card of a superstar player... with an autograph on it. Those who don't know collectible cards think "WOW!" and those who do know collectible cards think "ugh...!" as the signature just destroys the collectible value of the card. You don't have a 1930s-era Smith & Wesson Registered Magnum, so your engraving didn't attack the collectible value of a rare gun, but if it wasn't ordered as such from Smith & Wesson and shipped from S&W with that engraving (able to be proven as such with a S&W factory letter from Roy Jinks) then your engraving is, well, not helping the "collectible" value of the revolver. To the right buyer who enjoys that sort of thing, it may garner serious interest. But generally speaking, it's a Model 66 with aftermarket engraving. Now I know less than squat about engraving, but even an ultra-quick search on the name "Ben Shostle" suggests that the man was extremely well known and respected in his field, and his work is sought after. So that's excellent news, for the value of the revolver and for piece of mind for what you spent. __________________ *Attention Brass rats and other reloaders:* I really need .327 Federal Magnum brass, no lot size too small. Tell me what caliber you need and I'll see what I have to swap. PM me and we'll discuss.

January 23, 2014, 04:06 PM	#5
glenncal1 Senior Member Join Date: April 21, 2009 Location: Denver area Posts: 504	Bgoody- post at Smith-wessonforum.com someone there will probably know a lot more about the engraver and collectability. __________________ Jim Many K and N Frames

January 23, 2014, 11:06 PM	#9
Series70 Member Join Date: January 29, 2010 Posts: 78	Ben Shostle-engraved Smith FWIW, here's a 6-year-old closed auction featuring a Ben Shostle Model 57 which went for $2900. You may have a real investment there. http://www.gunauction.com/search/dis...temnum=8011153

January 24, 2014, 12:48 AM	#12
Bgoody Junior Member Join Date: January 22, 2014 Posts: 8	LOL, never shot it......probably never will. I know that's a cardinal sin in some people's book, but I just can't bring myself to pull the trigger. You wouldn't happen to have a number or email to Brian Powley would you??? I usually buy guns to actually shoot, but I know nothing about engraved guns. I'm just thankful I was in the right place, at the right time, with the right amount of money on hand..... Thanks for all the responses and interest, God Bless!

January 23, 2014, 04:01 PM	#4
DaleA Senior Member Join Date: September 12, 2002 Location: Twin Cities, MN Posts: 5,312	Yikes! Beautiful work!!! Personally not my cup of tea but I can look at it and appreciate it even if I wouldn't buy it. I don't think you could go wrong by calling it a 'work of art'. I can't see how $1100 would be too much for it. I'm guessing it's worth a lot more now but I'll defer to the folk that know about these things.

January 23, 2014, 06:34 PM	#6
Bgoody Junior Member Join Date: January 22, 2014 Posts: 8	Thank you very much for the responses. I bought the gun simply because I thought of it as a work of art. I love the engraving. I have done some research on Shostle and found some interesting info. Also found that his work is very sought after. I was just curious if anyone knew a little more about value. I plan on getting it appraised and insured since Mr. Ben Shostle passed in 2006. If anyone knows who to contact for an appraisal any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again for the responses.

January 23, 2014, 09:43 PM	#7
Sharpsdressed Man Junior member Join Date: June 21, 2009 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 1,176	His work is/was highly regarded. He used very deep, full relief engraving, removing a lot of metal, but doing it very artistically, almost like carving, which made him almost unique in the engraving field. Very time consuming. I'm going to guess your gun could easily be worth $2500-$3000 to a Shostle collector. More pictures would be nice, then everyone could see the detail.

January 24, 2014, 02:26 PM	#13
Bill DeShivs Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 10,981	It won't hurt a thing to shoot it, should you want. Very nice gun, beautiful engraving by a master engraver. You got a great deal, and it will increase in value. __________________ Bill DeShivs, Master Cutler www.billdeshivs.com

January 24, 2014, 02:35 PM	#15
Sevens Senior Member Join Date: July 28, 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 11,756	You'll also be dragging a cylinder line around the circumference of the highly done cylinder, even with simple dry firing. On this revolver? __________________ *Attention Brass rats and other reloaders:* I really need .327 Federal Magnum brass, no lot size too small. Tell me what caliber you need and I'll see what I have to swap. PM me and we'll discuss.

January 24, 2014, 02:58 PM	#16
micromontenegro Senior Member Join Date: December 28, 2010 Posts: 647	Just to state the obvious: It's a beauty!

January 24, 2014, 04:13 PM	#17
Bgoody Junior Member Join Date: January 22, 2014 Posts: 8	Yeah there's no way I will ever fire it. Never intended to when I bought it. It could use a good cleaning, although I don't have anything other than regular hoppes solvent. I dont know if that is good or bad for it. I will probably just take it to a gunsmith friend and see what he thinks. Thanks for the compliments. I have come across auctions of Shostles engravings and noticed that most of them have certificates with them signed by Mr. Shostle. I know I can't get the actual signature anymore since he passed, but does anyone know if there is a way to get a certificate of authenticity? Or how to get in touch with FEGA? Thanks again!

January 24, 2014, 04:39 PM	#18
Sharpsdressed Man Junior member Join Date: June 21, 2009 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 1,176	It's stainless. That means you can use common kitchen sink stainless cleaner (I think I used Zud one time, long ago) to remove the fire blackening on the front of the cylinder. Then you can easily buff off the drag line unless it gets TOO deep. That engraving is so deep, removing the drag without damaging the engraving would be child's play for a gun finisher.

January 24, 2014, 06:03 PM	#19
Bill DeShivs Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 10,981	As a hand engraver, I don't recommend home refinishing of engraved guns. Any common gun cleaning solvents will work on the gun safely. If there is blackening in the background of the engraving, make sure you just wipe the surface with solvent-as the solvent can remove the blackening. __________________ Bill DeShivs, Master Cutler www.billdeshivs.com

January 24, 2014, 07:31 PM	#20
Sharpsdressed Man Junior member Join Date: June 21, 2009 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 1,176	Engravers sometimes use black ink, or some other medium, rubbed into the engraved portion of the gun to contrast the smooth areas. It shows off the engraving more. It is easily replaced.