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August 29, 2013, 11:34 PM | #1 |
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New Executive Order to ban the re-import of surplus rifles. Will this kill the CMP?
The Obama Administration has issued an Executive Order to ban the sale of re-imported surplus rifles to private citizens. This could essentially kill the CMP rifle sales program, which sales M1 Garand rifles that have been re-imported from the Allied countries (Greece, Turkey, Denmark, etc.) these rifles were originally leased to.
Please read this White House's so-called "Fact Sheet." http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-...e-gun-violence We need to make sure that the media picks up on this. Since these obsolete surplus rifles are statistically never used to commit crimes, this is nothing more than a vindictive attack against our Constitutionally-protected rights. I will be immediately writing to all of my elected officials. I have a feeling that after you read the "Fact Sheet," you will be doing the same. |
August 30, 2013, 12:17 AM | #2 |
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Probably so. One good thing is that it will keep all of those M1's out of the hands of the criminals. You know how they really like those 9lb.+ 8 shot rifles out on the streets.
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August 30, 2013, 07:44 AM | #4 |
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Leave the politics out of it.
At some point, all "returnees" would have returned, been refurbished or whatever, and then sold. After that? I've no idea of existing inventory. But when it's gone, so is CMP. |
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Congress granted the Executive Branch unlimited powers to manage the ITAR and the Munitions list . By adding it to the Munitions List, the President can direct the State Department to ban importation of anything "weapons related". This can include swords, knives, spears, rocks, anything.
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August 30, 2013, 08:55 AM | #6 |
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Another utterly meaningless gesture. The only big "reservoir" left are the beat up guns in Korea, and their reimport has been held up for years over payments anyway. If they ever settle the issue, another executive order can allow the import just as easy as it now formally blocked it.
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August 30, 2013, 09:21 AM | #7 |
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Will this affect foreign milsurp as well, such as Mausers, or are most of these weapons already in the states and not imported often?
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August 30, 2013, 09:57 AM | #8 |
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Not so sure CMP will be affected, as they aren't importing per-se.
The CMP repatriates rifles that have been returned from allies to whom they were lent. Hence no import marks. They aren't being imported, but returned. When US arms are offered for sale to importers, they have to go through the usual channels and are subject to the ATF sporting purposes interpretation, import marking statutes, etc. CMP doesn't buy rifles in this market. Hence, Korean M1's were blocked from import while CMP continued to receive rifles from various sources. The reason why one source of rifles is wholesome and good for US and another is horrible cause of social decay and violence eludes me at present. |
August 30, 2013, 10:14 AM | #9 |
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18 USC § 925 (Thanks to Sen Bob Dole) directs the AG to allow importation of firearms on the C&R list. This can't be changed by EO.
From what I have read so far, I don't see how this would effect the CMP. CMP does not import firearms, they get them only from the military. Anything firearms that were provided in lend-lease would come back to the military, and then go to CMP. Last I heard, there was nothing left that was coming back, and the only rifles that were out there in any quantity were in Korea, and the CMP didn't want them due to their condition. |
August 31, 2013, 08:51 AM | #10 |
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This will not affect CMP as they do not import rifles.
Garands etc are returned to the US Army that were loaned to other countires. They are then turned over to CMP for sale. CMP is not a Importer |
August 31, 2013, 09:55 AM | #11 |
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no it will not kill the CMP.
1. CMP does more than just sell rifles. they host firearms training seminars and competition shoots. instilling marksmanship is their primary purpose, not selling guns. 2. the ban does not effect the government. companies like CAI and ATI will not be allowed to re-import US service arms but the US government can which is were all the guns that come from CMP are in the first place. CMP does not buy from CAI or ATI and then resell to us, they get everything from US storage and then sell to us.
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August 31, 2013, 05:42 PM | #12 |
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No, but you can bet the Mausers, CZ's, Swiss K31's, Polish64's, Maks, etc. are next.
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September 1, 2013, 12:34 AM | #13 |
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Obama has effected the CMP. Last time there, one of the workers was talking about a huge quantity of M1's overseas that the Obama admin. would not let them bring into the USA.
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September 1, 2013, 05:07 AM | #14 |
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Then who you talked to doesnt know what he is saying.
ONE MORE TIME, the firearms are returned to the US Army ,period. Then they are turned over to CMP. This Executive order would stop firearms from being Imported by private companies The Army is not a private company so has absolutly no bearing. CMP does not Import firearms CMP's Director Of Operations said yesterday that this latest news WILL NOT HAVE ANY AFFECT ON CMP |
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Seriously, Google it. 18 USC § 925. |
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September 2, 2013, 03:19 PM | #16 | |
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Obama's EO will affect the CMP in some way. As noted before, "military grade" leaves a lot open to interpretation. My money says that the EO will affect the civilian acquisition of Garands and Carbines negatively.
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"Military grade" isn't open for interpretation at all. The only thing it refers to is M1 Carbines, M1 Rifles, and US military bolt action rifles. That is it. Anything newer would be select fire, and would never be sold to civilians. The government hasn't sold surplus pistols for a very long time. There are no more stocks of M1 rifles or carbines anywhere else that are eligible for return to the Army for disposal to the CMP. There may be newer stuff, but that doesn't matter, as it wouldn't end up for sale anyway, and is is all select fire. |
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M1s in Korea might be stuck. Ok, I'm safe from the roving hordes of hoodlum WW2 reenactor gangs.
Are there any M9s or .45s on lendlease anywhere?
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No one said anything about the CMP importing anything. In fact, if you go back through the thread, Orlando points out the rifles are returned to the Army. With all due respect to Orest, (a) he is not a politician, and (b) he has zero control over the situation and is probably not in the communication loop at this time. Furthermore, regardless of the perceived condition of the Korean rifles, there are still tons (literally) of salvageable parts. As to "military grade" not being open to interpretation, I can only surmise that you are not an attorney. Neither am I, but I deal with them regularly. It all depends on "what the definition of 'is' is".
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DCM used to sell pistols in the 1960s, CMP never has, and as I understand it, never will because they have a different charter than DCM. That limits "military grade" firearms, which the President has any control over based on 18 USC § 925 to what I mentioned. M1, M1 Carbine, 1903, 1917, and various Krags, if there are any left. The only firearms out there, that the USA gave/lent/sold our allies in any quantity are the M1 rifles and carbines in Korea, and Dear Leader has been preventing those from coming back since he got in office. Aside for the chance for Dear Leader to crow about it, this is meaningless. The NFA Trust thing is even more asinine, but nobody seems to be bothered by that, because they don't understand it, or simply because it doesn't effect them. |
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The CMP gets it rifles from the Army, the Army (or any other government agency) is exempt from the EO.
As too the CMP being history after they run out of guns is also false. The CMP Sales funds its shooting programs, per the Congressional Charter. The CMP doesn't only sell surplus arms, parts, and ammo. It sells commercial supplies also. They also get donations from estates, returning ex-DCM/CMP rifles back to be sold again. They still have crates of M1s that need to be inspected and graded before they put them up for sale. The Current backlog has affected the CMP also. When things slow down, they will pick up. Anyway the CMP now has funds to continue their shooting programs long after the surplus rifles are gone. As to Mr. Orest, I wouldn't go so far as to say he's out of the loop, the CMP has lawyers on staff who keep Mr. Orest up on current gun laws. Politicians come and go, the CMP (DCM) has been around since 1903 and will be around long after most of us have passed on.
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"Will this kill the CMP?"
That is what it is intended to do. Jim |
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