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September 21, 2012, 07:21 PM | #26 |
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It can't happen here is a shortsighted view nowadays. The flip of this is the guys (& gals!) who know it can happen and carry at all times, even around the house. Count me in that camp. Being armed when you answer the door gives you the best chance for survival if it's trouble knocking on the door. Plus, it makes it real convenient to get in a few minutes of presentations here and there. At home is a good place to build muscle memory.
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September 21, 2012, 10:08 PM | #27 |
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I've commented before that it's actually amusing to hear people being interviewed after some sort of crime takes place because they all say the same things:
I couldn't believe it was happening. I never thought it would happen here. I never thought it could happen to me. It took me awhile to realize it was actually happening. etc. People go through their lives expecting NOTHING to happen and, as a result, they're always surprised when something does happen. You don't have to go through your life always expecting that something's going to happen to you, but you should at least always be open to the idea that something COULD happen so you won't be caught flat-footed, telling yourself that: "I can't believe this is really happening." instead of doing the things you need to do to survive.
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September 21, 2012, 10:48 PM | #28 |
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September 22, 2012, 08:35 AM | #29 |
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I had never even heard of that small town in Texas....until the infamous Luby's massacre. Same goes for Littleton, Colorado. Right up until the shooting started, many folks who live in those places were probably of a similar mindset.
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September 22, 2012, 10:29 AM | #30 |
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I've posted this several years ago so in this thread I will give you the Reader's Digest Version:
I lived in a high rise Condo. You need to get through a guard to get through a gate and then need to get through a second guard to gain access to the building. I was alone in my Condo when I heard the door open, knowing there was no scheduled maintenance, I went to investigate. I was met by three armed individuals. They shot me, left me for dead, and cleaned out nearly $200,000 worth of art and other valuables. It couldn't happen here because of the security around and in the building? Obviously I was wrong. I moved from the Condo after my recovery and into a gated community. However, I have a state of the art security system, a four legged early warning system, and always carry a firearm on my person or right next to where I am sitting or sleeping. I no longer have thoughts of it couldn't happen here and hopefully have planned for every contingency by playing the "what if" game from every area of the house, every window, and every door.
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September 22, 2012, 02:21 PM | #31 |
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I live in SE Florida and it did happen very often until the Castle Law was approved. There has been a dramatic reduction since this law was adopted and home owners began shooting the bad guys.
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September 23, 2012, 07:10 PM | #32 |
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Glad you lived to tell the tale. Stories like yours inspire me to stay alert and persue my personal security.
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September 24, 2012, 10:44 AM | #33 |
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Funny thing about events "not happening here." For many people in many communities all over the US, it never happens there. This doesn't make the mindset correct, but only notes that the mindset is fully supported with long term support for many people in many communities/locations.
It is a funny thing that we are vigilant because we know it can and does happen, even if it hasn't happened to us...and we have the stats to back up our assertions. At the same time, the naysayers have have the stats to back up their assertions as well. Even if it does happen in their community, it still may be wholly unlikely to happen to them...statistically speaking. On the down side, those living in remote areas where "it will never happen" may feel confident that it won't and it certainly may not, but if it does, help isn't likely to just be minutes away (which is already too long), but 10s of minutes away.
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Used to live in rather rough area in south Cols.,Ohio that,due to budget constraints, had 6 LEO's assigned per shift in that precinct. Precinct was fairly large. Worked with and knew all of them and they were goods cops. But when things got jumpin on a good Friday or Sat. night, response time could be very long. Very long like, you better handle business on your own if you have to and let LEO handle the paperwork when they arrived. Now, thankfully, I live in the country and don't have to listen to sirens and gunshots 24/7 but would probably still have to take care of business cause response time would most likely be around 20-30mins. on a hot run. Last edited by shortwave; September 25, 2012 at 12:13 AM. |
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September 25, 2012, 12:51 AM | #36 |
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thx for the thread, Vermonter and on a side note, it reminded me of the double homicide in vermont commited towards the beginning of last decade while I was living closeby over the border in new hampshire: two teenagers(one named parker) murdered a college professor and his wife. the home they chose was random.
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September 25, 2012, 01:17 PM | #37 |
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younguns your welcome for the thread.
To me Vermont as a whole is a very safe state and statistically we have very low crime rates. The exception is the resort community mentality. Folks come here thinking they can do whatever they please because they are on vacation. Those folks tend to buy drugs. The folks who tend to sell drugs are folks that tend to have violence and stupidity follow them. Funny thing is the drug fellas stick out like a sore thumb. They are so obvious here it isnt even funny and yet they get away with it. Regards, Vermonter |
September 25, 2012, 03:04 PM | #38 |
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Denial is a very powerful human condition. Overcoming it forces people to make decisions they would rather not make. Why prepare to defend yourself when "it will never happen"?
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September 25, 2012, 07:14 PM | #39 |
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That's right, with knowledge comes responsibility. I believe that some actually prefer the ignorance is bliss philosophy because it allows them to be lazy. Later on, they can say I never thought that would happen...
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September 25, 2012, 09:50 PM | #40 |
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Not necessarily lazy, but as folks here so often have noted, if you think you are some place where something might happen, leave or move, but we can't spend our lives leaving and moving away from places that have become seemingly or apparently unsafe. It isn't that it would be lazy, but totally impractical. I know I can't live my life only going places that are "safe" and my safe neighborhood had a murder in it just a few years after I moved in. It was nice that I had a cop for a neighbor, but he was the one who did the murdering.
Also, it would drive some people nuts to continually consider the fact that they are not living in a place that is as safe as they would like.
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September 25, 2012, 10:05 PM | #41 |
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The painter in the shop next to mine poo-pooed my gun toting ways for the year he was there. Said he had a bat and that was all that was needed. I went to my shop one morning and had Police Line tape all over. Somebody took an axe to him.
Most of the hoods in the area know me. Once while inside doing paperwork, I heard somebody say "Not here! This guy shoots! Let's go somewhere else." Evidently, they're learning.
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I'll take this a little further too....
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pretty much ramblin...bottom line there is no such thing as "it doesn't happen here"
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September 26, 2012, 07:17 AM | #44 |
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Well I have been preaching to the girls to always keep the garage door shut, and look when they hear a noise out in the front of the house. They are nieve and seem to think that just because we are out in the country that nothing will ever happen. I am starting to convince them otherwise, but it has taken a long time to get them there. It just seems like women refuse to beleive that anybody would really want to harm them. They use to argue with me that there is no crime ever in our area, and nobody would ever hurt us, on and on. They use to think that I was just paranoid which really made me mad. So it has been a tough road to convince 2 women that they need to be aware and on guard. They are both 35 years old, city girls, and have never in their lives been exposed to a violent act, so they just do not understand the mind of a criminal!
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Live by these two words: Home Carry Something good to know is also your typical area LEO response time. I had to call the cops for the first time sunday night; there was a drunk guy who could not stand in the lobby of my building. Cops were there in about 2 mins; I was rather impressed. Last edited by Patriot86; September 26, 2012 at 09:36 AM. |
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September 26, 2012, 02:42 PM | #46 |
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DNS, I can't debate your post, but I am hardpressed to believe that "nothing truly happens here".
they might say that when something happens there or when something happens to them, but stuff does happen. nearly every single community has some dirt even if you do go back some decades. the saying is flawed for people to say that too. the truth is it can happen to them. many many crimes are completely and totally random bad luck. basically, you just won the lottery but you're not getting an annuity "in cold blood" movie/book/true story just one of ten million examples. we're all going to the same place it is just a matter of when and how: murder, palne crash, car crash, accidental shooting, heart attack, frozen cybergenics(spelling, and so-on PS- you quoted my ramblin line so I sortof followed it up in this post all the best gunz
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It just happened here,,,
This morning at approximately 7:50 a junior high student here in Stillwater, Oklahoma "...died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head...".
This article gives a few details about what happened this morning. I'm not stunned by the news of this apparent suicide,,, Perhaps I'm getting too familiar with the frequency of these type of events. I am deeply saddened at the grief the parents will have to endure,,, I truly hope the media shows some empathy in their reporting of the event. Aarond .
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September 26, 2012, 04:13 PM | #48 |
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A couple of things that you can use to help inform yourself and loved ones. My local PD/Sheriffs office(they're integrated) provides this service, which maps incident reports. I'd imagine other PDs might have similar services. Also there's a company called alert id, which is a bit broader allows users to post info along with other LEA provided information.
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September 27, 2012, 12:46 PM | #49 |
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Sorry to hear that
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September 27, 2012, 08:25 PM | #50 |
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I second that Aarond. ...just barely a teenager, that is upsetting and a very tough pill to swallow
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