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Old July 28, 2012, 09:02 AM   #26
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This isn't a Red or Blue issue, and we do ourselves a disservice by assuming such.

At least two R members of the US house changed their minds and voted for the AWB after appeals from Ronald Reagan, the "gunowners champion": The house minority leader voted for the AWB.

In 2004 the US senate voted to extend the AWB as part of another bill. Ten R senators voted in favor of extending the AWB: Six D senators voted against extending the AWB. The vote became mute when the cover bill was voted down.
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Old July 28, 2012, 12:25 PM   #27
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Uncle Billy, the Parks carry deal cost him no votes and benefitted only a very few people. IOW, innocuous and made him no enemies. The Brady Bunch has little audience, generally.

My understanding is that as both a state senator and as a US senator, he voted in favor of all gun control bills that came up for a vote.

And some internal emails from DOJ to or from BATFE did indeed mention the political capital which could be had from making it look like Evil Dealers and gun shows let Terrible Guns go to Mexico. That's been known for quite some time.

People focus too much on the apparent views of the Main Man, and don't look at the views of appointees such as Holder. Holder's anti-gun views had to be well-known to Obama before the appointment. Easy enough for Obama to be out front making happy noises, while Holder et al work behind the scene. Ancient political game.
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Old July 28, 2012, 02:24 PM   #28
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"There are a great number of Democrats who are quite supportive of the 2nd Amendment..."
Better put, a small minority of democrats support gun rights. Thanks to the mods for cleaning up the Pew Research polling data in the other thread showing that 2/3 democrats and 3/4 of self-described liberals are anti-gun rights. That is just a fact beyond dispute. I know we we are not supposed to look at the facts, but it is a fact that if there were no RHINOs or liberals in the House, Senate or the White House, we would have more gun rights. So lets work with the 1/3 of democrats who are pro-gun and make our world a better place. Nice to have a thread where we can at least discuss the facts. BTW, the RHINOs and democrats have every right to try and supress my rights. In our Republic, votes have consequences.
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Old July 28, 2012, 06:58 PM   #29
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Given the large population of the USA, a 1/3 of a group can be an absolute large number of folks.

Let all pro-gun people work together on that issue. Very simple.
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Old July 28, 2012, 08:50 PM   #30
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It is all a ruse.
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Old July 28, 2012, 10:01 PM   #31
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We're drifting a bit too far into partisan politics, and we don't want that. Let's stay on the subject of the legislation at hand.
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Old July 29, 2012, 12:15 AM   #32
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It won't pass in the house so any ban would have to be by way of regulation from executive branch. As noted above it just won't get to the president's desk.
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Old July 29, 2012, 10:24 AM   #33
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New York Hawaii, and California residence can't have over 10 round mags anyways thus opinion some.
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Old July 29, 2012, 12:02 PM   #34
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Magazine Ban

Regardless of whether or not we think this amendment will be passed we as citizens need to write to our legislators and give our opinion. It is our Right and DUTY to make our voices heard by those we elect to represent us. All the Patriots who have made the ultimate sacrifice to secure our rights deserve no less than our active participation in the legislative process. Thank You
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Old July 29, 2012, 01:44 PM   #35
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new on Drudge
Scalia: Guns May be Regulated

Justice Antonin Scalia, one of the Supreme Court's most vocal and conservative justices, said on Sunday that the Second Amendment leaves room for U.S. legislatures to regulate guns, including menacing hand-held weapons.
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Old July 29, 2012, 06:05 PM   #36
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What Scalia actually said that the reporter parsed in a way calculated to create maximum controversy and thereby draw eyes to the story:

"When asked if that kind of precedent would apply to assault weapons, or 100-round ammunition magazines like those used in the recent Colorado movie theater massacre, Scalia declined to speculate. "We'll see," he said. '"It will have to be decided."

As an originalist scholar, Scalia looks to the text of the Constitution—which confirms the right to bear arms—but also the context of 18th-century history. “They had some limitations on the nature of arms that could be borne," he told host Chris Wallace."

Pretty much the same thing he said in the majority Heller decision.
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