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Old July 11, 2012, 02:55 PM   #1
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So what do y'all think about the UN treaty that's being worked on this month. According to a couple of news sites, it's proposed that American gun owner records be made available to foreign governments....
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Old July 11, 2012, 02:57 PM   #2
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Is this reciprocal? Apparently Iran is one of the countries involved in this treaty. Do we get the names of Iranians working on their nuclear weapons?
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Old July 11, 2012, 02:59 PM   #3
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I'm not going to get all twitterpated just yet.

Rumor has it that Obama will sign it, but if I recall correctly (and I rarely do), 2/3 of the Senate will have to approve it before the treaty will be binding. Good luck with that. Republicans won't support it and Democrats are running scared on gun control.

On the other hand, if Obama signs it, it will show how completely out of touch he truly is. He's got enough of an image problem and I would think that giving more, no pun intended, ammunition to his opposition with absolutely no gain for himself is beyond foolish. In fact, it would be an extremely ignorant act for someone trying to get re-elected.
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Old July 11, 2012, 03:10 PM   #4
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Rumor has it that Obama will sign it, but if I recall correctly (and I rarely do), 2/3 of the Senate will have to approve it before the treaty will be binding. Good luck with that.
  1. Google "League of Nations" for an education about what happens when a President expends serious political capital pushing a major treaty that has little Senate support.
  2. It's a common tactic for US presidents to gain political brownie points with their base by expressing wishy-washy conditional support for legislation or treaties that have little chance of passage.
  3. Keep in mind that the UN is highly dysfunctional, and many controversial treaty processes have been hijacked by small nations who are not really interested in creating a working treaty; they're often more interested in humiliating a large country like the USA, Russia, or China for short-term domestic political gain. If this happens, this gives the President an excuse to withdraw the above-mentioned wishy-washy conditional support.
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Old July 11, 2012, 03:34 PM   #6
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In fact Iran is chairing the UN meeting to finish up this "treaty" for signature.

I've lost the cite but generally the meeting sounds like a Star Wars Bar Scene of anti-gun enthusiasts. The wording is likely to resemble ObamaCare in its clarity and directness. That is good news. Australia is funding 35 attendees from small countries too poor to send reps, and is a major booster of the treaty. Ammunition and parts were not included as of last week.

Hillary is very enthused about the treaty but says 2A is safe. Like "fair", "safe" has a lot of definitions.

The Senate must ratify it to bind the US, but who knows what Obama might try to get away with via EO or quiet directives to ATF.

Perhaps the treaty will prove unworkable for its own weight and elegance.
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One of the people behind this is George Soros !! $$$$ Using his billlions to support far,far left causes.
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Old July 11, 2012, 03:57 PM   #8
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Two things:

1) There are no "American Gun Owner Records"

2) This treaty has been discussed, like, 5,738,938 times....
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