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Old June 10, 2012, 01:46 PM   #51
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Many people of yesteryear made the mistake of shooting big mean animals with bullets designed for deer and human targets. This simply doesn't work.

As many have alreay pointed out = it's all in bullet design, bullet weight, and shot placement. I will also point out that high velocity doesn't equal dead animal. Many studies have been done that suggest that heavy, slow/moderate velocity bullets penetrate much deeper.

I agree with the above study. In my non-scientific testing my .45 Colt loaded with 300 gr hardcast at around 1100 fps will penetrate further in wet phone books than my 270 or 7mm-08. If I was shooting something hard like steel then the high velocity round would carry the day. I think it's because the higher velocity rounds shed their enegy faster on softer targets. The slower and heavier bullets just have more momentum.

Edit: I will do some more non-scientific testing with my .358 Winchester loaded with BB's 225gr. Barnes TSX loads.

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Old June 10, 2012, 04:03 PM   #52
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About 11 years ago I took my only hunt in Alaska I took my 45/70 for Kodiak. The guide stated he would rather see me shoot some thing better at a long range but he said if I felt confident with the 45/70 that it would work. I shot my bear at about 45 yards and it took 1 step and dropped dead.

I think the most important part of hunting any dangerous game is a good back up with you. The guide that took me had a 458 winmag (I think) and my father (who was not hunting but came to support me) had a 44 mag on his hip.
Shot placement is everything! I would rather take a round of 50BMG to the foot than a 22short to the base of the skull.

all 26 of my guns are 45/70 govt, 357 mag, 22 or 12 ga... I believe in keeping it simple. Wish my wife did as well...
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Old June 11, 2012, 12:40 AM   #53
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Could be a number of calibers I suppose........

I prefer the 45-70 with a "thumper" load

not a factory pud load

I also avoid the bear. If I were to get that close to the bear in the above photo, I would simply then turn the bear gun on myself and avoid the long term suffering of the situation altogether.....dang man, that's a large bear

I've never had to fire my unit yet
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Old June 11, 2012, 01:08 AM   #54
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I also avoid the bear. . .
+1, that is the most important part of bear defense, just avoid them if possible.
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Old June 11, 2012, 11:55 AM   #55
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I doubt that bears read gov't reports or ballistic data for rifle cartridges. I live and hunt in N. Idaho grizzly country. There ain't a lot of them but they are there. We can't hunt grizzly up here as they are protected - and rightfully so.
I hunt deer, elk, black bear and hopefully, someday, moose (just got my rejection slip for a moose tag again..)
Like everybody else here when I hunt I have the rifle I hunt with (duh..) which in my case is a 30-40 AI. I have never seen a grizzly here and if I do I hope it is a long ways off.
If I was hunting grizzly I would use my rifle - which is ballistically the same as a 30-06 - and would not feel undergunned. If I were worried about bear defense alone I would carry the biggest, baddest gun I could lay my hands on.
I would be lying if I say I never think about the possibility of encountering a grizzly bear while in the woods, but I'm much more worried about meeting up with another ****** off cow moose. Once was enough on that score.
But, back to the topic - good grizzly cartridges. Anything that qualifies as a big game round will kill a bear with good shot placement. My hunting partner killed his 500lb. grizzly (while he was living in Canada) with one shot from a 6mm Rem because that was the gun he had with him. He's one hell of a game shot, by the way. Everyone I know who has killed a grizzly used their regular hunting rifle.
I don't know why I always respond to these bear threads...possibly for the same reason I watch Mob Wives...
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